GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

cybertoaster said:
Lastly there's the possibility that just like the chinese pulled deepseek out of their asses pwning the entire industry they might also have something cooking on the hardware side, and if it is as big as deepseek then nvidia its done for, they still have gaming but their stock and valuation will go to shit if they lose the AI market.
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even as a fan of chink stuff they're a lot better at software than hardware. the reason they're kicking our asses in software is because they're competing against fucking indians. its still aryans and yellows making the fucking chips so they will never be able to get close to the quality there..
Stasi said:
I think his overall point was that a 20 year old game now looks better and sharper at native HD than modern games do because they need blurry FSR/DLSS to run at higher FPS, not that said 20 year old game ran like a dream on release.
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thats actually a great point, especially with how most people still use HD monitors and televisions. the only reason people buy 4k tvs is that they're like the only ones around anymore, 4k content is barely existent overall and the bitrate from streaming is such dogshit, that you get only 10% better picture than choosing HD and many sites force you to pay more for 4k.

Deadwaste said:
okay but the game looks like this:
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i'm a gigantic faggot, i love that! also most jap releases nowadays still have that uncanny valley realness to them, look at Yakuza (releasing this week!)
 
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Fcret said:
The bigger issue isn't so much the CPU but rather that a lot of the lower-end scavenged office PCs or OEMs that one might conceivably want to buy and stick a battlemage GPU into don't support rebar in the BIOS.
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I doubt there's a big market for brand-new gaming GPUs on ancient equipment that doesn't support rebar. The issue is that instructions get dispatched to the GPU extremely inefficiently. We really haven't seen anything like this in decades. Best-case scenario is that it's a driver issue that should be fixable. However, like the 14th gen debacle, the fact that such an easily discoverable issue made it to market at all suggests that Intel's QA process is in bad shape company-wide.

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AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT GPU-Z specs leak: 4096 cores, 16GB G6 20 Gbps memory and 3.1 GHz OC boost

This info was pretty much known weeks or months ago, but adds confirmation. 64 CUs (4096 shader cores), and very high clocks compared to RDNA3 cards. 20 Gbps memory giving it a whopping +3.3% bandwidth over the 7800 XT, a little more than (20 / 19.5) so maybe that memory is overclocked to 20.125 Gbps, idk.

AMD to unveil Radeon RX 9070 series on February 28

AMD is now ready to livestream properly... in 2 weeks.
 
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Could you recommend a wired mouse that has a durable wheel, which won't die after four months of clicking on it?
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
AMD marketing man Frank Azor shut down the 9070 XT 32 GB rumor:

So that's probably dead unless they are playing word games and would call it XTX or 9080. There's probably going to be something like a "W9700" workstation card with 32 GB as well.
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I can't think of a single game right now that needs more than 16 GB of VRAM even when maxed out. Local AI and insane Skyrim mods maybe, but those are specialized niche uses. AMD's entire schtick this time around is simplifying the product stack to focus around where they actually make sales and AI coomers plus Toddslop Modders do not a compelling market segment make.
 
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So I got a GTX 1080ti, about 6 months ago i upgraded to a new monitor 2560x1440 res 180hz. I would like to get a graphics card that is at least x2 as fast. Ugh the cost for GPUS are INSANE here in Canada.
 
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Dude Snakes said:
So I got a GTX 1080ti, about 6 months ago i upgraded to a new monitor 2560x1440 res 180hz. I would like to get a graphics card that is at least x2 as fast. Ugh the cost for GPUS are INSANE here in Canada.
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If you're team green, and you're not buying used, I think you'll end up with the 5070 Ti, which is basically a 4070 Ti Super.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
AMD marketing man Frank Azor shut down the 9070 XT 32 GB rumor:

So that's probably dead unless they are playing word games and would call it XTX or 9080. There's probably going to be something like a "W9700" workstation card with 32 GB as well.
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That's a real bummer, it really is just another 5700.
 
Fcret said:
I can't think of a single game right now that needs more than 16 GB of VRAM even when maxed out. Local AI and insane Skyrim mods maybe, but those are specialized niche uses. AMD's entire schtick this time around is simplifying the product stack to focus around where they actually make sales and AI coomers plus Toddslop Modders do not a compelling market segment make.
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Mistral or Qwen will run just fine on 16GB VRAM too (it'll only load a handful of layers to the GPU, but that's enough for it to output at more or less the same speed the user can read, so it's good enough). They're not amazing by any measure, but if all you want is a local chatbot it's good enough. If you want something competitive with GPT4 you're looking at DeepseekR1-Qwen, which will chew up about 40GB of RAM+VRAM, or for full-on DeepseekR1 you're looking at a server stuffed full of H100s.
Realistically running DeepseekR1 locally means you're running it on the CPU, with the most commonly accessed layers in RAM and the remaining being read from disk. That's extremely slow and even a top-end rig will end up sitting around 1 token per second, but it will work. Adding a commercial GPU to the mix doesn't actually help all that much, you're bottlenecked by how slowly things load from disk, you'd get much better performance improvement from a low-end EPYC processor just because that means you could get a terabyte of RAM (and therefore fit the whole model in memory). If you do have that terabyte of RAM, you could start looking into GPUs to offload the most commonly accessed layers into VRAM.
 
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Fcret said:
The current thing in the boomer KAHNTENT KREATUR space is to whine about nvidia. Pippa also did a whole rant about nvidia.

I don't really get what the issue is - if you don't like newer features, just buy a secondhand card or go AMD. I dunno why this has to be a line in the sand sort of thing. Does anyone really feel pressured to upgrade right now? Even upper-end 2000-series is good enough to play pretty much anything out at the moment at good framerates
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People are mad they can't get a brand spanking new 5000 series NOW NOW NOW. Bro, just fucking wait a few months, or better, stay on your current rig Muta. Nvidia pumps out the best GPUs on the planet. Their tactics are scummy, the product is not. Ice been completely satisfied with my 4070 Super, probably going to skip the 5000 generation.
 
Precision Anal Strike said:
Could you recommend a wired mouse that has a durable wheel, which won't die after four months of clicking on it?
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I am also a middle click enjoyer, I would recommend the Logitech Hero series. Other mouses i've tried the middle click dies so quickly, I've had two corsair mice where the middle click buttons die within 4-6 months.
 
MX Master also has a great scroll wheel. It’s metal and will switch into free-spin mode if you scroll fast enough, letting you flick it. Mine’s a couple years old and still in excellent condition. Only negative is that the rubberised coating absorbs hand moisturiser and turns shiny.
 
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milk said:
I am also a middle click enjoyer, I would recommend the Logitech Hero series. Other mouses i've tried the middle click dies so quickly, I've had two corsair mice where the middle click buttons die within 4-6 months.
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I have a G502 Hero, the scroll wheel will occasionally go the other way once or twice while scrolling, I assume its because of my dirty cheeto gaymer hands though.
Corsair mice have scrollwheels that die very quick, have gone through 4-5 from them before getting the Logi.
 
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