GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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The Ugly One said:
Looks like the market will currently bear around $500 for an 8 GB card. $300 is the price scalpers will pay.
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If the card is out of production, pricing will be abnormally high even if few units are actually being sold. Nvidia and AMD learned from Ampere/RDNA2 overproduction and are screwing everybody in advance of new launches. The newly launched cards will eventually stabilize at lower prices.

The currently in-stock listings for the 5060 Ti 8GB ($380 MSRP) are priced lower than your 4060 Ti 8GB listings. They also don't have "Free Shipping" from Hong Kong. And I bet those prices will keep falling to at least MSRP, if not lower.

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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
If the card is out of production, pricing will be abnormally high even if few units are actually being sold. Nvidia and AMD learned from Ampere/RDNA2 overproduction and are screwing everybody in advance of new launches. The newly launched cards will eventually stabilize at lower prices.

The currently in-stock listings for the 5060 Ti 8GB ($380 MSRP) are priced lower than your 4060 Ti 8GB listings. They also don't have "Free Shipping" from Hong Kong. And I bet those prices will keep falling to at least MSRP, if not lower.

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Trump needs to impose a 5000% tariff on scalping from China.
 
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Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
That's oddly specific. Is it sprayed on the screen or into the keyboard or both? I want to know more about what these wankers are testing.
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The salt water test is briefly touched on in the article, I'll chuck a photo of the gadget below.

Supposed to recreate the conditions of using a Mac on the beach.
Dunno if you'd use one on the beach, but... I suppose it would cover things like build quality, maybe a bit of corrosion.

Interestingly, a look at the photo... I can see water on three of those iMacs.

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Seems another reporter was invited as well. Different photos, different info, including the lab in question being established in 2022.


(As for why? Apple's been having fun with the EU recently. Maybe it's a push to get some positive press, and show they're committed?)
 
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LegoTugboat said:
Supposed to recreate the conditions of using a Mac on the beach.
Dunno if you'd use one on the beach, but... I suppose it would cover things like build quality, maybe a bit of corrosion.
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College students buy a lot of Macbooks. They're testing what a user might really do, not what they think a user should do, which is why their laptops aren't shit and everyone else's are. Somewhere at ASUS, an engineer is saying, "Well, *I* never take my laptop more than 5 feet away from an outlet, so you shouldn't, either."
 
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Yeah, I'm not faulting them for it. It makes sense.

Even for a company as large as Apple, you know that someone would try their luck with a lawsuit, trying to claim that a MacBook's faulty or something because it got splashed while they were on their yacht, because of defective design or shoddy build quality.

(Also, you could be slightly mean and say that engineers at ASUS can't take their laptop more than 5 feet away from an outlet before the battery dies.)
 
LegoTugboat said:
Yeah, I'm not faulting them for it. It makes sense.

Even for a company as large as Apple, you know that someone would try their luck with a lawsuit, trying to claim that a MacBook's faulty or something because it got splashed while they were on their yacht, because of defective design or shoddy build quality.

(Also, you could be slightly mean and say that engineers at ASUS can't take their laptop more than 5 feet away from an outlet before the battery dies.)
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It's more that, in general, when your product fails, your consumers will blame you, so if you want satisfied consumers, you do everything you can within your price target to make something that won't fail. It's just a general principle. Or you can cut every corner you can so you can max out certain flashy tech specs and minimize the price.
 
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This is unrelated to GPUs, but I'm dealing with a customer who bought a pair of servers in 2004 and hasn't upgraded the operating system since 2007, and finally needs to replace them. There are a shit-ton of servers out there that somebody buys, installs an inventory system, bar code scanner software, or something like that on, sticks in a closet, and forgets about. The server doesn't need to be up to date, because it's just an appliance that's part of a closed system. Think about a pizza place that bought a House of the Dead arcade cabinet in 2003 and has kept it in good condition for 20 years, it doesn't matter that the processing hardware is hilariously out of date, it's doing the job fine. The enterprise version of that is some ancient Itanium or Ultrasparc IV or AS/400 that just keeps trucking along, doing something boring and consuming hilarious amounts of electricity, but replacing it would be more a pain in the ass than just keeping it going.
 
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The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
WTF YOU CAN'T DO THAT
So here's a GPU nobody cares about:

Intel to launch Arc Pro B60 graphics card with 24GB memory at Computex

Maybe there will be the B570 version (20 GB) too, IDK.
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>192-bit
So it's dead in the water. Intel's software support is even worse than AMD's, enterprise markets all go with Nvidia RTX and AMD Instinct, and the RTX 3090 had a 384-bit bus, and it goes for good rates on the used market for enthusiasts. Intel should stick to catering to the low end consumer market.
 
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WTF YOU CAN'T DO THAT
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CPUs need some love.

Slav Power said:
>192-bit
So it's dead in the water. Intel's software support is even worse than AMD's, enterprise markets all go with Nvidia RTX and AMD Instinct, and the RTX 3090 had a 384-bit bus, and it goes for good rates on the used market for enthusiasts. Intel should stick to catering to the low end consumer market.
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24 GB of GDDR6 on a 192-bit bus puts it about even with 2023's RTX A4500. Workstation GPUs aren't for driving Cyberpunk 2077 to 200 fps; nobody in that market cares if the VRAM doesn't have enough bandwidth for ultimate gaming performance. Since they're creating things, not gaming, they're working with assets that haven't been trimmed down for performance and need lots of RAM, not ultra-fast RAM. The reason it will sell poorly is it's an Intel GPU. Well, unless it's priced extremely competitively and Lenovo buys them all to stick in ThinkStations. Or ThinkSystems, since it looks like that GPU has a server profile.


I should also add that the last time I ordered a rackmount workstation for an engineer, I put in 2x24-core EPYC CPUs, 512 GB of RAM, and an A-series GPU, but I don't remember the model number now. However, I never looked at the bus width on the GPU, and gaming GPUs weren't even available from the vendor. This would have been when the 30 series was new, and IIRC, putting a gaming GPU in a server voids the warranty.
 
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