GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Honestly, the 16 gig RX 7600 XT is looking a little better compared to everything out there now. I still play a lot of my games in 1080p (I just don't see the point in playing them in higher resolution). I might just grab a 7600XT when I build my AM5 machine at the end of the year.

At what price? I see it starting at $360 (new) on Newegg, and not cheaper whatsoever on ebay. The 7600 XT has a $329 MSRP and never went lower than $300 from what I remember.

So if you are building later, I think 7600 XT supply will be completely dried up, and the 9060 XT 16GB will be the obvious replacement. It will probably be at least 20% faster, and with much better raytracing. I would hope it drops at a $350 MSRP and has enough supply to stay near there.

On the plus side, FSR4 is probably coming to RDNA3 cards... eventually.

 

[marvlouslie]

At what price? I see it starting at $360 (new) on Newegg, and not cheaper whatsoever on ebay. The 7600 XT has a $329 MSRP and never went lower than $300 from what I remember.

So if you are building later, I think 7600 XT supply will be completely dried up, and the 9060 XT 16GB will be the obvious replacement. It will probably be at least 20% faster, and with much better raytracing. I would hope it drops at a $350 MSRP and has enough supply to stay near there.

On the plus side, FSR4 is probably coming to RDNA3 cards... eventually.

Honestly, it just depends on what happens at the end of the year. The new PC I'm planning on putting together around January / Feb will be $1300 give or take depending on how pricing is.

 

[Susanna]

When have you ever upgraded a laptop CPU to a model with more cache?

Dell used to have laptops with desktop CPUs, I think like fifteen years ago.

 

[Wheresbunbun]

For 800 bucks, am I better off just getting a PS5 pro? I don’t think I can afford the really nice graphics cards, and a few of the games I want are on both PC and PS5, not to mention MS is releasing games on PS now. I have a PC, but it’s showing its age. The lack of Steam is a huge downside, but not necessarily a dealbreaker.

 

[Susanna]

For 800 bucks, am I better off just getting a PS5 pro? I don’t think I can afford the really nice graphics cards, and a few of the games I want are on both PC and PS5, not to mention MS is releasing games on PS now. I have a PC, but it’s showing its age. The lack of Steam is a huge downside, but not necessarily a dealbreaker.

Bear in mind that you can pirate games on the PC, making it much cheaper in the long run.

Buy yourself a used office PC with at least six cores and 16GB memory, then spend the rest of your budget on a GPU to put in it.

 

[harbringer883]

For 800 bucks, am I better off just getting a PS5 pro? I don’t think I can afford the really nice graphics cards, and a few of the games I want are on both PC and PS5, not to mention MS is releasing games on PS now. I have a PC, but it’s showing its age. The lack of Steam is a huge downside, but not necessarily a dealbreaker.

What is your current build? For 800 you can build a decent PC.

 

[Mister Fister]

For 800 bucks, am I better off just getting a PS5 pro? I don’t think I can afford the really nice graphics cards, and a few of the games I want are on both PC and PS5, not to mention MS is releasing games on PS now. I have a PC, but it’s showing its age. The lack of Steam is a huge downside, but not necessarily a dealbreaker.

It's not 800, it's 1200 when online for 5 years is factored in.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

For 800 bucks, am I better off just getting a PS5 pro? I don’t think I can afford the really nice graphics cards, and a few of the games I want are on both PC and PS5, not to mention MS is releasing games on PS now. I have a PC, but it’s showing its age. The lack of Steam is a huge downside, but not necessarily a dealbreaker.

you dont really need the pro, the regular ps5 will do fine for the majority of games released on it.

 

[harbringer883]

It's not 800, it's 1200 when online for 5 years is factored in.

Not to mention he can probably re-use parts of his build like the case, psu and maybe even the mobo.

 

[The Ugly One]

For 800 bucks, am I better off just getting a PS5 pro? I don’t think I can afford the really nice graphics cards, and a few of the games I want are on both PC and PS5, not to mention MS is releasing games on PS now. I have a PC, but it’s showing its age. The lack of Steam is a huge downside, but not necessarily a dealbreaker.

It's $700 on Amazon, and it depends entirely on your CPU. The PS5 is going to be a main target for game development for at least another 6 years, and it effectively has a Radeon 6650 XT in it.

If you CPU isn't dogshit, and by "not dogshit," I really mean "at least as good as the PS5's CPU," which in turn means, "at least as good as a Ryzen 7 3700X," any Radeon from the 6700 XT on up or any GeForce from 3060 on up is going to do comfortably well for you until 2030 at the minimum, and probably longer.

 

[Wheresbunbun]

What is your current build? For 800 you can build a decent PC.

I5 2nd gen, 1060, I had an ATI RX 5700 XT but it died and I had to go back. 550 power supply and 16 gb ram. It’s dinosaur I built back in the day to play Bioshock Infinite, lmao. Back then I was using 7870 graphics ( a huge splurge back then )

I’m looking at some of the Ryzen cpus and monos, tempted to build am4 for the pricing.

It's not 800, it's 1200 when online for 5 years is factored in.

Yeah that’s the shitty part of console gaming, insane that online access is this gay.

Thanks guys, I think I’ll just hold onto money and wait for a really big deal on a graphics card. Keep playing Civ 5 and other oldies, I still have a few more years in my fogie.

 

[harbringer883]

I5 2nd gen, 1060, I had an ATI RX 5700 XT but it died and I had to go back. 550 power supply and 16 gb ram. It’s dinosaur I built back in the day to play Bioshock Infinite, lmao. Back then I was using 7870 graphics ( a huge splurge back then )

I’m looking at some of the Ryzen cpus and monos, tempted to build am4 for the pricing.

Yeah that’s the shitty part of console gaming, insane that online access is this gay.

Thanks guys, I think I’ll just hold onto money and wait for a really big deal on a graphics card. Keep playing Civ 5 and other oldies, I still have a few more years in my fogie.

I assume your in the states, so here is a sub 800 build. You can save a bit if you can re use your case+ram, and then spend a bit more on say a 7600xt 16gb.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Zf3MC

 

[The Ugly One]

I5 2nd gen, 1060, I had an ATI RX 5700 XT but it died and I had to go back. 550 power supply and 16 gb ram. It’s dinosaur I built back in the day to play Bioshock Infinite, lmao. Back then I was using 7870 graphics ( a huge splurge back then )

I’m looking at some of the Ryzen cpus and monos, tempted to build am4 for the pricing.

Yeah that’s the shitty part of console gaming, insane that online access is this gay.

Thanks guys, I think I’ll just hold onto money and wait for a really big deal on a graphics card. Keep playing Civ 5 and other oldies, I still have a few more years in my fogie.

So the funny thing is, even as crusty as that machine is, it the GPU outclasses a PS4, which is the main platform for most games, although the CPU is a question mark. Thus any game that has a PS4 version should run fine on that setup at 1080p or 720p at low to medium settings.

Examples:

Black Ops 6 at 70 fps:

Rise of the Tomb Raider at 60 fps:

Forza Horizon 5 at 80 fps:

 

[harbringer883]

Tbh he could just replace the GPU and keep the rest of the build.

 

[Fcret]

It's not 800, it's 1200 when online for 5 years is factored in.

Don't forget the price of the games you have to rebuy if you're coming from PC.

tbh if you just wait a month or two, 9070 prices seem like they're on a downward trend and you should be able to pick up one of those for MSRP. Is there some specific game you want to play that needs the power of the PS5 Pro?

 

[Bogan]

Every time I mention this guy people have a meltdown about him. Pretty funny how he makes soydevs seethe so hard.

My biggest regret will be that all devices will use soldered RAM to achieve LPDDR5 speeds.

Gordon from PC World did a video on CAMM2 a while ago when it became big news. The big advantage is it doesn't need to be soldered. But it's more expensive than soldering so I'd wager shit companies like HP will choose to not use it. Dell invented the spec so if they don't use it I'd be surprised.

I think MSI brought a desktop ATX motherboard with CAMM RAM to last year's Computex

They did, it was an experimental board for LGA 1851, but they never released it since no RAM vendors make consumer CAMM2 modules yet. I'd wager that we won't see CAMM2 become a thing until DDR6 starts becoming popular. So it's still another 3 years away.

I still play a lot of my games in 1080p (I just don't see the point in playing them in higher resolution)

I went from 1440p to 4K without a GPU change this year, and the performance decrease wasn't as much as I thought it would be. I didn't have to change settings in most games I have. This is with a 3090Ti though.

I might just grab a 7600XT when I build my AM5 machine at the end of the year.

If a 9070 or XT isn't back at MSRP by the end of the year, then maybe that's worth it. Although you'd also have the option of the 9060XT by then as well.

I assume your in the states, so here is a sub 800 build. You can save a bit if you can re use your case+ram, and then spend a bit more on say a 7600xt 16gb.

AM4 also has a huge amount of used parts for sale. I saw a 5800X3D for sale a couple of weeks ago for US$140, the pins looked fine.

The main issue really with PCs at the moment is the upfront cost is huge, and spending just a little more at this price range has such massive gains compared to at the high end.

 

[The Ugly One]

Every time I mention this guy people have a meltdown about him. Pretty funny how he makes soydevs seethe so hard.

Just checked out a few of his videos. It's interesting to see these kinds of deep dives who has the technical experience and skill to talk meaningfully about it.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Every time I mention this guy people have a meltdown about him. Pretty funny how he makes soydevs seethe so hard.

Never heard of him but I will check it out.

They did, it was an experimental board for LGA 1851, but they never released it since no RAM vendors make consumer CAMM2 modules yet. I'd wager that we won't see CAMM2 become a thing until DDR6 starts becoming popular. So it's still another 3 years away.

As long as DDR5 SODIMMs are still being used and tolerated, CAMM won't gain traction. But with DDR6, SODIMM is dead and it's CAMM or soldered. BTW, we've just seen the release of 64 GB SODIMMs.

The main issue really with PCs at the moment is the upfront cost is huge, and spending just a little more at this price range has such massive gains compared to at the high end.

For a completely new build, there's a price floor because of the storage, RAM, motherboard, PSU, case, etc. Imagine having a $300 computer with the once-$50 Athlon 3000G in it.

Maybe APUs can take over the low-end, but for gaming, AMD's desktop APUs still have an imbalance between CPU and GPU performance. Which made it easy to demonstrate the 8700G being wrecked by the GTX 1650, RX 6500 XT, etc.

The way to really penny pinch is to do what YouTubers like ETA Prime like to show off, and buy some old office desktop for $150 or less and shove a 75W GPU in it. Or go above 75W if you're sure you can get it to work.

 

[harbringer883]

The way to really penny pinch is to do what YouTubers like ETA Prime like to show off, and buy some old office desktop for $150 or less and shove a 75W GPU in it. Or go above 75W if you're sure you can get it to work.

If your somewhat technically competent and are on a tight budget than that is the way to go, but dont expect insane performance either.

 

[Bogan]

For anyone interested in ultra-high end displays, the ASUS PG32UCDM is currently on sale in the US for $970 at JewEgg with the promo code EPESA427. The normal price is US$1200.

Edit: The price has also dropped in multiple regions.