Grand Jury speculation thread

[Realistic Elephant]

Explaining this again too:

There's a hard limit on incarcerating him, not on the case itself. If the jail time exceeds the maximum sentence, he can request to be released without bail being an issue, and they have to let him go, but the court case can continue. He can then remain free as long as he makes his court dates. If he misses them, they can charge him with failure to appear and rearrest him and jail him as a flight risk.

It will not get to this point though. It will either be resolved within a year, or it will turn into a felony case in which case they can keep him in jail even if it takes ten years. Chris could also just voluntarily stay in jail longer since he has nowhere to go anyway. It will probably never get to this point though as this sort of shit annoys judges.

Right, I assumed that Chris wouldn't be let out for that reason (or on bail)....I think it will be resolved at the next court date or shortly thereafter.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Chris potentially has a $6k plus nest egg to help him out once he's released.

Which could be blown in record time.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Corner a butch lesbian in the bathroom, stock women online and in person.

Obviously it's not the worst thing he's done. Fucking Barb easily tops that list. I mean in terms of violating age-related sex crime laws. The point is that Chris is not a kiddie diddler, and he's been good about not trying for minors in general.

 

[Trugrade]

No one is in a hurry to take Chris out of his cage, but they are gonna have to come to some sort of agreement or make a move within a years time from the arrest.

Honestly, I’m getting more and more worried he’s going to walk away from this fairly clean with all this good time accrued. Well…as clean as someone who got caught humping their corpse of a mother could be clean. He would still be busting them old cheeks in that hoard.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

No one is in a hurry to take Chris out of his cage, but they are gonna have to come to some sort of agreement or make a move within a years time from the arrest.

Honestly, I’m getting more and more worried he’s going to walk away from this fairly clean with all this good time accrued. Well…as clean as someone who got caught humping their corpse of a mother could be clean.

I don't get it. What's the difference between say, him getting convicted and then spending 10 months in jail, or him spending 10 months in jail and then getting convicted? The only difference effectively is he has slightly fewer rights in terms of legal representation, and he loses the right to his tugboat for those months. From his point of view his jail experience would be more or less the same.

Getting "time served" doesn't change how long you spend incarcerated. The fact that you get credit for it is the whole point so you don't get unfairly given extra time.

The only real difference in terms of his incarceration experience is if it gets turned into a felony and he gets say 1.5 years, but the time served brings the remainder under a year so he spends the rest in jail instead of in prison. This could actually be WORSE for Chris depending on the prison he would be sent to. Some prisons are better than jail, some are worse. Prisons have more stuff to do usually, better amenities, better commissary, because people have to be there for a long time. However a bad prison with violent inmates can make it a bad experience.

EDIT: Like what if it gets turned into a felony, the case drags on, and Chris spends 2 years in jail until conviction and THEN gets let go with time served. Would that still be "scot-free" in peoples eyes?

 

[A-№1]

Another continuance. Is anyone really surprised?

We'll learn the stated reason for the continuance in the next few days when it finally gets entered into the court online records. Meanwhile, 1) Chris is a very low priority case 2) He's not causing more work where he is 3) They likely haven't found anywhere else to put him.

None of which really matters. The important thing here is Chris will almost definitely be turning 40 years old in jail (which means some people owe me money). I wonder if Chris will even notice.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

We'll learn the stated reason for the continuance in the next few days when it finally gets entered into the court online records. Meanwhile, 1) Chris is a very low priority case 2) He's not causing more work where he is 3) They likely haven't found anywhere else to put him.

It won't get put into online records. J&DR does not post online records. The only way to get the information is directly from the court clerk. If some ween with some sort of vaguely journalistic credentials approaches the clerk nicely enough, they'll probably get something.

None of which really matters. The important thing here is Chris will almost definitely be turning 40 years old in jail (which means some people owe me money). I wonder if Chris will even notice.

Someone needs to send him a birthday letter to remind him.

EDIT: I have an exercise for you. Look up Ethan Ralph's "Dissemination of Images" case. You can see the hearings in General District court up until it gets transferred to J&DR, and then you never see the resolution of the case because all further hearings were in J&DR. The only information for J&DR you can pull up online is for unpaid fines for convictions of non-minors. You can pull up Ethan's record (he still hasn't paid it), which shows no information on the hearings -- it just shows what he was convicted for and what his fine is.

The one interesting thing I've noticed is that Chris' first General District hearing (the one where he was assigned Heilberg, and then was transferred to J&DR) does not show up in the online system. I think there may be a situation where if there is only one hearing and then it's transferred, it never goes into the public database.

 

[Shanndog]

Chris gets SSDI. He qualified because he had his disability since childhood. You're only required to work to earn SSDI if you start life able-bodied.

thats interesting because i was considered disabled from childhood but i did not qualify for ssdi, i qualified for SSI as per the reasons i stated, and unlike chris i have worked and paid into the system; and chris did not get a check as a child like some do, his parents were in denial that he had any sort of issues / illness, or what have ya, so they didnt go running to the SS office for a crazy check for him , huh, interesting, maybe they have changed some things, i dunno, but thats news to me.

 

[A-№1]

Assuming Barb is not using the payments now,

If Barb can get her paws on them, she definitely is. It's not like she would have any moral hangups against it.

either way Chris potentially has a $6k plus nest egg to help him out once he's released.

Which will likely go to whatever tard home he's placed in, assuming he even gets it.

I don't think he's had any little girl characters in any spicy situations.

Chris wants a mommy figure to take care of him. Little girls don't match that fantasy.

 

[Shanndog]

He has to be convicted of something for that to happen, and he's only had charges brought against him.

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Also to those who kept forgetting the source that Barb was under care of Tom and Harriet-- that was Chris himself in one of the jail letters, I think.

who are tom and Harriet ? siblings of barb ?

 

[Turbocuck]

who are tom and Harriet ? siblings of barb ?

Use google

 

[Pointless Sperg]

who are tom and Harriet ? siblings of barb ?

Harriet is Barb's sister. Tom is Harriet's husband. It's been speculated (but never confirmed) that Tom may have cheated on Harriet with Barb at some point in the distant past. They do not have good relations with the Chandler family, and it's speculated that this may be one of the many reasons why.

 

[A-№1]

It won't get put into online records. J&DR does not post online records.

Not the full trial transcripts, but I'm pretty sure the docket is published for scheduling etc. Now I'll have to go look that up, dammit.

Someone needs to send him a birthday letter to remind him.

I'm pretty sure the weens are already on it. I'd send him the lego jail set except the Greene County jail wouldn't let him have it (lest it be filled with cocaine), and also NEVER SPEND MONEY ON CHRIS.

Maybe I'll donate it to some children's charity in Chris' name and send Chris a letter informing him of his generosity.

It's been speculated (but never confirmed) that Tom may have cheated on Harriet with Barb at some point in the distant past.

I read that as Barb tried to seduce Tom (let that image rock you to sleep tonight), but Tom refused. But yeah, their relationship isn't very good. i can understand why Tom and Harriet turned Chris away, but I've never quite worked out why they're bothering to help Barb.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Not the full trial transcripts, but I'm pretty sure the docket is published for scheduling etc. Now I'll have to go look that up, dammit.

Go ahead. I'd be happy if you proved me wrong, but as far as I can tell absolutely nothing about J&DR cases is posted online, aside from unpaid fines.

Obviously there's no transcripts because there are no transcripts at all. This applies to General District as well (though at least in GD parties and counsel can do audio recordings, and others can record with permission from the judge).

Maybe I'll donate it to some children's charity in Chris' name and send Chris a letter informing him of his generosity.

Dear god no. While he might be upset that kids got the money instead of him, it would still feed his ego and he could brag about how he helped children by inspiring people to donate.

If you're going to donate to something in Chris' name and tell him about it, donate to something that Chris hates.

I read that as Barb tried to seduce Tom (let that image rock you to sleep tonight), but Tom refused. But yeah, their relationship isn't very good. i can understand why Tom and Harriet turned Chris away, but I've never quite worked out why they're bothering to help Barb.

Yeah I've never seen a clear explanation of what happened or how people pieced it together. It's probably something that will remain forever a mystery.

 

[A-№1]

Go ahead. I'd be happy if you proved me wrong, but as far as I can tell absolutely nothing about J&DR cases is posted online, aside from unpaid fines.

I'll check on Monday to give it time to work its way through the records.

it would still feed his ego and he could brag about how he helped children by inspiring people to donate.

Yeah, don't ever spend money on Chris, even indirectly.

I think I'll give them something, but something they might actually want, and leave Chris out of it entirely. Chris won't ever know about it, but I will.

That or donate it in Michael Snyder's name.

Yeah I've never seen a clear explanation of what happened or how people pieced it together. It's probably something that will remain forever a mystery.

It's not that important, anyways. It could literally be over anyting. Barb's people are Appalachian, where incest is a sport, and a feud can continue for centuries over who really inherited Aunt Mabel's tupperware.

What matters is Harriet haet Barb.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I'll check on Monday to give it time to work its way through the records.

You can try right now. None of his other J&DR hearings appear online (however you are free to peruse all his other cases in General District court, as well as the Snyder felony charges that made it to Circuit Court).

Again look at Ethan Ralph's cases. They all appear online, except for all the hearings for the Faith revenge porn incident *after* it was transferred to J&DR. The case starts in General District and then just abruptly ends without a conclusion (though we know from Ethan that it ended in a plea agreement).

Yeah, don't ever spend money on Chris, even indirectly.

I still think it's fair to pay Chris for something useful or interesting he might do. Even if he doesn't take it to heart, it's a good lesson in responsibility and actually encourages him to do positive things.

Him doing commissions and actually delivering on them was the closest he's ever come to being a functional member of society.

That or donate it in Michael Snyder's name.

Donate to a synagogue in Snyder's name, and then tell Chris about it.

What matters is Harriet haet Barb.

I hope they've made up now in these circumstances. Non-ironically, putting grudges into the past is a good thing for people in general.

 

[A-№1]

None of his other J&DR hearings appear online

Then where are people getting his next hearing dates from? (Apart from asking on these forums over and over and over.)

Even if he doesn't take it to heart, it's a good lesson in responsibility and actually encourages him to do positive things.

That lesson would matter if Chris actually learned.

Him doing commissions and actually delivering on them was the closest he's ever come to being a functional member of society.

It also allowed him to dox innocent supporters who only wanted him to fulfill the order for which he'd already been paid.

I really think at this point what Chris truly needs is a year or two of people not giving him gifts or orders or attention or anything. No support or ass-pats. Nothing. Let him learn that if he wants something from other people, he HAS to actually earn it. That's the lesson he needs.

I don't see that happening, though, because weens gonna ween.

Donate to a synagogue in Snyder's name, and then tell Chris about it.

I think it would have more of an effect if it's something Chris would actually want for himself. Donating cash to a synagogue or other charity is too abstract, but "some lego" is a physical thing he could have had.

Non-ironically, putting grudges into the past is a good thing for people in general.

I think it's more likely that family relationships are just weird. Barb may be a creepy old skanky sonfucker, but "buh gawd she's family".

For example, NEVER take sides (or get involved or even acknowledge) in a feud between your inlaws lest they all temporarily forget their differences and close ranks against you.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Then where are people getting his next hearing dates from? (Apart from asking on these forums over and over and over.)

Calling the clerk. Much of the information is still available to the public, it's just not available online.

I think it would have more of an effect if it's something Chris would actually want for himself. Donating cash to a synagogue or other charity is too abstract, but "some lego" is a physical thing he could have had.

You're right. That would definitely be more effective.

For example, NEVER take sides (or get involved or even acknowledge) in a feud between your inlaws lest they all temporarily forget their differences and close ranks against you.

This is very, very good advice.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

he point is that Chris is not a kiddie diddler, and he's been good about not trying for minors in general.

Yeah, where have I heard that before?

 

[FinnSven]

Yeah, where have I heard that before?
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Yes.

Is there anywhere Chris has attempted to justify child abuse or been expressly told not to do it?

Chris is not Nick Bate.............

Well, they differ in age of attraction at least.