Grand Jury speculation thread

[Hepativore]

If you are not a generally violent person you can get a furlough post-conviction to go to a funeral. It's a lot more common for people convicted of less-serious crimes. For pre-conviction (where Chris is now) the rules are less strict since at that point it's basically completely up to the manager of the facility.

The catch is that they usually demand you be supervised, and they can bill you for the hours spent escorting you, as well as driving expenses in the vehicle.

But with something like incest, would there not be a sticking point of granting a furlough for a person to attend the funeral of the person he committed incest with?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

But with something like incest, would there not be a sticking point of granting a furlough for a person to attend the funeral of the person he committed incest with?

Not really. Plenty of people are allowed to attend the funerals of their partners in crime. Remember, consensual incest does not have a "victim", just a co-conspirator. That's why the crime is in the morals and decency code, not the crimes against a person code (which is where rape is).

 

[I swear she's 18]

It depends on what you mean by minor. Chris would definitely fuck a 20 year old give the chance. He would probably fall for jailbait, because he's a idiot. He's not interested in prepubescent children because they don't have anything to offer him; he wants abreasts and china, not asexual genderless human larvae. In fact, without overt clues from clothing etc. Chris likely can't even tell the difference between prepubescent boys and prepubescent girls.

Let's be honest. Chris has shown that he gives zero fucks about who that China is attached too. He's lazy and opportunistic. If I recall, Fiona was willing to do the deed, but no. He wanted that Barbussy. All he had to do is go down the stairs. If he was left alone with some poor little girl. I have no doubt he would do something because Chris has never had any consequences or care about them.

He's shown that he doesn't mind age, calling them "dumb laws", he said children should have access and be shown porn because they'll experience it anyways, and to me. He has physical blindness as well as facial blindness (Talks about this in the CWCki under art. Particular how he struggles with proportions drawing everyone pubescent and stick figure like) In his eyes women is women because he can't tell the difference. This is all prior to Idea Guys, and no doubt he thinks it's okay now because of them.

His duck hungers for China, and it doesn't care who it belongs too. We've seen what he's done to women in public. We've seen the depraved shit Chris does in private. The only reason why we'll never get a pedofork saga is because there's no way anyone is letting their children be alone with Chris. Thank GodBear.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

I am sadder that Barb is going to die alone in that cursed house being eaten by cats. What is with the Chan family's corpses and animals FFS.

Chris' lawyer is experienced but he has to prove to the court that Chris was not lucid to get insanity. He clearly was lucid and more than willing to rape his mother because he recalled it numerous times. It sounds like Chris' side asked for it to give a fair trial. The problem is this is number 2 now and it can mean the proceedings are quicker in a subsequent hearing.

It's not looking good for him.

Chris doesn't fit the legal definition of insanity. He knew what he was doing was wrong and he tried to conceal it, but he can't even do that right.

As far as I know Barb is not currently at 14BC. I think she is being taken care of by relatives since she was in a car accident in which she got a concussion and two broken ribs.

 

[Strange Wilderness]

They don’t have to let him stay.

So pretty much all the court has to do is find a place for Chris to live but it ends at that? Ok so I'm expecting Chris will be at the Tard home for two weeks before the rules get to him and he peaces out while the handles go "see ya don't let the door hit your ass on the way out".

Half a year in jail. A lesser man would've have been raped, beaten or smashed his head against the concrete wall for less time than that.

From what I've heard from friends of friends you don't get raped or beaten in jail. Like it has been said before in jail you're only there for a short time so you don't want to rack up any additional charges. Prison is where all the bad shit goes down because you're in there for the long haul and have a nothing to lose mentality. Maybe Chris would have gotten punched a few times buy some guy going through detox but he wouldn't get his ass kicked everyday in county lock-up.

 

[The Dude]

Let's be honest. Chris has shown that he gives zero fucks about who that China is attached too. He's lazy and opportunistic. If I recall, Fiona was willing to do the deed, but no. He wanted that Barbussy. All he had to do is go down the stairs. If he was left alone with some poor little girl. I have no doubt he would do something because Chris has never had any consequences or care about them.

He's shown that he doesn't mind age, calling them "dumb laws", he said children should have access and be shown porn because they'll experience it anyways, and to me. He has physical blindness as well as facial blindness (Talks about this in the CWCki under art. Particular how he struggles with proportions drawing everyone pubescent and stick figure like) In his eyes women is women because he can't tell the difference. This is all prior to Idea Guys, and no doubt he thinks it's okay now because of them.

His Tom Tom hungers for China, and it doesn't care who it belongs too. We've seen what he's done to women in public. We've seen the depraved shit Chris does in private. The only reason why we'll never get a pedofork saga is because there's no way anyone is letting their children be alone with Chris. Thank GodBear.

Chris doesn't have a Tom-Tom (vagina). All he has is tiny, bent, mangled duck.

 

[TayandYou]

Not surprised literally nothing happened again. Courts are not known to be efficient.

 

[DejaThoris]

From what I've heard from friends of friends you don't get raped or beaten in jail.

People do get assaulted and beaten in jail. If you are just going through 24 hour processing or sitting in the drunk tank you aren't likely to get messed with. But the longer you are in and the more you are mingling with the general population the bigger your chance is. It depends a lot on the specific jail too, different jails have different cultures and are run differently.

I imagine that since Chris is special, they will keep him separate from everyone else though.

 

[I swear she's 18]

From what I've heard from friends of friends you don't get raped or beaten in jail. Like it has been said before in jail you're only there for a short time so you don't want to rack up any additional charges. Prison is where all the bad shit goes down because you're in there for the long haul and have a nothing to lose mentality. Maybe Chris would have gotten punched a few times buy some guy going through detox but he wouldn't get his ass kicked everyday in county lock-up.

There's really no difference between jail and prison. It's just used interchangeably in American english. Now a county jail/prison compared to a state or federal? Yeah you normally don't have hardened criminals. Most people know each other since it's pretty local, and from what I've heard most are usually serving a year or under.

The "sad" news is Chris is separated from gen pop because there's no doubt he would've been shanked dead within an hour at free time (At the very least beaten close to death by someone who true and honest loves their momma) In some letters he also claims to partake in free time like the yard or some rec center, but possibly supervised and with other SO. Most of his time is locked up pretty much in solitary.

Chris doesn't have a Tom-Tom (vagina). All he has is tiny, bent, mangled duck.

oof I got my CWCisms wrong

 

[Jack Awful]

Chris doesn't have a Tom-Tom (vagina). All he has is tiny, bent, mangled duck.

He has an asshole, though.

 

[King Kiwi]

Plenty of people are allowed to attend the funerals of their partners in crime.

Oh you just wait, Chris'll swear that she'll be resurrected on Easter.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

I imagine that since Chris is special, they will keep him separate from everyone else though.

Which is ironic, since this is what Borb should've done with Chris during his early years in school.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

There's really no difference between jail and prison. It's just used interchangeably in American english. Now a county jail/prison compared to a state or federal? Yeah you normally don't have hardened criminals. Most people know each other since it's pretty local, and from what I've heard most are usually serving a year or under.

Jail and prison are different, legally, and while the facilities are similar, they tend to have a very different population, culture, and general vibe.

When people say "County", they mean jail. When people say "State" they mean prison. There is generally no such thing as a county prison, as those are handled by the state board of corrections.

"Federal pound-me-in-the-ass" prison is a pop culture misnomer as federal prisons are often much better places to be than state prison, because they're usually better run, better organized, lower population, and tend to not have people who are randomly violent, since almost all violent crime is prosecuted on the state level. The few violent federal inmates tend to get separated into high-security facilities vs. the nice prisons where the tax evaders go.

In Jail there are four groups of people, and they only intermingle somewhat.

1) People who are there for a day/weekend because they're getting booked and then bailed out. They often won't wind up even talking to another person. In older jails they used to be housed together in temporary group holding cells organized by type, but in more modern jails this is not the case anymore and instead they get individual small cells while they're sorted out.
2) People serving short sentences (the "year or under" you mentioned. In most states one year is the dividing line between jail and prison, though in some it's a little different). This is the part that's most like a prison, but unlike a prison, everyone is there for petty crime.
3) People who can't make bail and are waiting for trial, generally because they're too poor. Bail reform in some places has made this population pretty small, and they get housed with group 2 a lot.
4) People too dangerous to release while they are waiting for trial and thus are denied bail. The dangerous people are usually kept separate, even from each other, though each jail is run differently. Technically Chris is one of these people.

More importantly, in jail almost all the population are locals. Though there are states like California where they had to ship people around due to overcrowding. Generally though for instance if you live in a rural area you're not going to run into an urban street gang, etc.

So yeah, when normies talk they often don't know the difference between jail and prison, but it's actually functionally very different. It's like with firearms -- normies use "clip" and "magazine" interchangeably, but if I'm buying a rifle with a clip-fed magazine vs. one with a detachable magazine, they have very specific and different meanings.

Even if Chris were housed with population 2 from the list above, he would not get shanked. The rural jail wouldn't have a gang organization that could manage weapon distribution and the social cohesion necessary to cover for such an act, and the people he'd encounter wouldn't be people in for drive by shootings or stabbings. He'd be in with shoplifters and drunk drivers. He might get punched by someone who was in for a bar fight, though presumably that person would be sober and not want to add another charge and get themselves six more months.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

Someone far away at the other end of the state that accepts his SSDI deposits and meters out the money into a debit account for him and never has to actually deal with Chris in person. Oh, and charges a hefty percentage for this service.

yeah, there's tons of weens that would love to 'report' on what they gave him and show receipts they demanded from chris to prove that his allowance isn't going to art commissions, lego, n gen5 MLP junk.

i was about to say that virginia might not let chris choose any fucking random san fransisco internet ABDL catgirl as his payee... i'm retarded.
they obviously don't give a damn.
cwc wouldn't fucking be a thing if anyone in that county did their job.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The next court date could potentially be sometime in may if the the trends in continence's continue (lasting 3 months) which will be just 3 months shy of chris spending a year in jail. I doubt they'll grant one more if the next one lasts that long.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

I’m not sure with current day Chris, if he was feeling particularly horny and had the opportunity to have sex with a minor I wouldn’t trust him not to do it,

eyup. people insist constantly that chris can't rape. they can't see him physically overpowering anyone over 3 feet. and they think chris wouldn't diddle a baby. chris would prefer breasts so he can brag, but if there's a diaper to change he'll volunteer.

chris is too stupid to molest anyone successfully.
but chris is a very persistent opportunist.

Spoiler: "have you ever seen porn before? it can frighten some girl like it did my ex megan, but i offered to help introduce it to her..."

chris uses his retardation as an excuse for when he gets caught, but he really believes he's smart. he really believes he's smarter than us when it comes to plotting schemes n fabricating lies. he thinks we really believe the fidget spinner moved in his hand. this is his baseline for our gullibility.

if he ever somehow had access to a 13y/old girl with head trauma or anything making her slow/simple without making her gimpy or slur her words
[remember; face blind. all he looks for are boobs]. --

"have you ever seen porn before? it can frighten some girl like it did my ex megan, but i offered to help introduce it to her..."

 

[A-№1]

But with something like incest, would there not be a sticking point of granting a furlough for a person to attend the funeral of the person he committed incest with?

Only if he's also into necrophilia. When Barb dies she'll have gone beyond the possibility of incest. Prison policies about such things are intended to enforce the law, not good taste.

Chris has shown that he gives zero fucks about who that China is attached too.

But he likely doesn't perceive small children as having that China. He barely perceives people as people.

All he has is tiny, bent, mangled duck.

And a very disturbing scar.

 

[khanmander]

There are no court transcripts, it's family court.

EDIT: I should clarify. It's not a "court of record", meaning they don't transcribe every word said. Instead they just record basic facts written in the decisions, file any pertinent evidence, etc.

Also since it's family court, it cannot be audio/video recorded, so you can't get a transcript that way either.

With the continuance has been said (I know this was one of the first comments but it really had me thinking!), I think the reason it's taking much longer, is because of the bizarre situation of Chris and the victim. With family courts, unlike the straightforward court, we all know about, they have to take into consideration how to handle the suspect and victim. Not just throw someone like Chris in a cold jail cell.

Barbara is becoming 80, with what I've read elsewhere, the family on Barbara's end are helping, so clearly the courts are keeping in contact with Barbara and her family. She can go at any moment but at the same time, I don't think the courts should rush to reach a verdict.

With Chris and with the continuance, it does suggest that the court are having a hard time getting somewhere with Chris and his crime and I don't think it's going to be good for Chris. I keep reading how his crimes make him face up to 10 years in prison but sometimes, you'll have to think why they give people who commit incest (on their kids) 10 years and not 20? I don't think the courts want to put the victim in a position where they feel bad for getting someone in prison, so they

Chris did, or what he's been accused of doing, on someone with dementia. Incest laws were designed on suspects who do that to their kids and this happens. Then another continuance? It's taking up courts time and just because the law is written in such a way, doesn't mean they're going to apply that on everyone. I really don't think so.

I think Chris is going to get double the time for the crime because how it's eating up courts time. I'm talking about 20 damn years in prison, not the "maximum" ten! I seriously think that because of the how severe the crime is and how it's taking up the courts time.

 

[I swear she's 18]

With the continuance has been said (I know this was one of the first comments but it really had me thinking!), I think the reason it's taking much longer, is because of the bizarre situation of Chris and the victim. With family courts, unlike the straightforward court, we all know about, they have to take into consideration how to handle the suspect and victim. Not just throw someone like Chris in a cold jail cell.

Barbara is becoming 80, with what I've read elsewhere, the family on Barbara's end are helping, so clearly the courts are keeping in contact with Barbara and her family. She can go at any moment but at the same time, I don't think the courts should rush to reach a verdict.

With Chris and with the continuance, it does suggest that the court are having a hard time getting somewhere with Chris and his crime and I don't think it's going to be good for Chris. I keep reading how his crimes make him face up to 10 years in prison but sometimes, you'll have to think why they give people who commit incest (on their kids) 10 years and not 20? I don't think the courts want to put the victim in a position where they feel bad for getting someone in prison, so they

Chris did, or what he's been accused of doing, on someone with dementia. Incest laws were designed on suspects who do that to their kids and this happens. Then another continuance? It's taking up courts time and just because the law is written in such a way, doesn't mean they're going to apply that on everyone. I really don't think so.

I think Chris is going to get double the time for the crime because how it's eating up courts time. I'm talking about 20 damn years in prison, not the "maximum" ten! I seriously think that because of the how severe the crime is and how it's taking up the courts time.

Not trying to be an ass, but no. That's not how courts work. Continuances happen all the time and depending on the trial. Most small potatoes take about a year. I think in the thread made by Alexander Hamilton, when I get the chance I'll quote it, I recall that he says most don't even go to trail. Defendants usually set up a plea deal. The point of the Defendant is to make sure their client is given a fair and reasonable trail. This mean mitigating the possible punishments.

The consensus is that his lawyer is buying time and working out a plea deal. If he (the lawyer) can keep pushing the date with the courts. Then Chris has the possibility of walking free with time served unless they put the pressure and charge him with a class 5 felony. Since a class 5 misdemeanor you can only be held for a year max. Which would be harder to nail. Nonetheless with time served so in the end. He'd get anywhere from no time, to at most 9 years. Plus Virginia has a "get out jail" (joking) with autism allowing reduced sentences or punishment. If his lawyer is good enough, which he probably is as he willing took up Chris's case. He could get his sentence suspended or deferred. So if Chris manages to not break anything during probation he could walk as well.

 

[Undersideofcwcspillow]

Not trying to be an ass, but no. That's not how courts work. Continuances happen all the time and depending on the trial. Most small potatoes take about a year. I think in the thread made by Alexander Hamilton, when I get the chance I'll quote it, I recall that he says most don't even go to trail. Defendants usually set up a plea deal. The point of the Defendant is to make sure their client is given a fair and reasonable trail. This mean mitigating the possible punishments.

The consensus is that his lawyer is buying time and working out a plea deal. If he (the lawyer) can keep pushing the date with the courts. Then Chris has the possibility of walking free with time served unless they put the pressure and charge him with a class 5 felony. Since a class 5 misdemeanor you can only be held for a year max. Which would be harder to nail. Nonetheless with time served so in the end. He'd get anywhere from no time, to at most 9 years. Plus Virginia has a "get out jail" (joking) with autism allowing reduced sentences or punishment. If his lawyer is good enough, which he probably is as he willing took up Chris's case. He could get his sentence suspended or deferred. So if Chris manages to not break anything during probation he could walk as well.

Just wanna say that as far as we know Heilburg didn't like, actively seek out Chris's case. Lawyers have to do a certain amount of public defender work every year. He is probably using Chris for this requirement.