Culture Guild Wars 2 writers fired following heated Twitter exchange with streamer - Gamergate, the gift that keeps on giving.

PC Gamer said:
Guild Wars 2 developer ArenaNet recently parted ways with writers Jessica Price and Peter Fries, who were involved in a contentious Twitter discussion with Guild Wars 2 Twitch streamer and YouTuber Deroir, who is also partnered with ArenaNet through its content creator program.

On Tuesday, July 3, Price wrote a lengthy Twitter thread about writing for MMOs, particularly Guild Wars 2, and why player characters are uniquely difficult to write compared to protagonists in singleplayer games. To put it simply, she discussed how to give characters personality in a way that also leaves room for players to create their own character. In a reply to Price's thread, Deroir argued that branching dialogue options could give players more ways to define their character's personality, overcome the MMO-specific constraints Price discussed, and improve the roleplaying potential of Guild Wars 2.

Yesterday Price highlighted Deroir's reply in a series of tweets suggesting he was uninformed and that his reply was condescending.

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Among those tweets, the one that's drawn the most ire, particularly on the Guild Wars 2 subreddit, is Price's remark about "rando asshats" talking down to experienced writers and developers.

Responding to the mounting criticism of these tweets, Peter Fries defended Price's position in a now-deleted tweet which is archived here, saying "she never asked for [Deroir's] feedback".

For his part, Deroir said that he "meant no disrespect" and simply wanted to create "dialogue and discussion" with Price. He also apologized for any offense his argument may have caused.

In a post to the Guild Wars 2 forums, in a thread explicitly about Price and Fries' tweets, ArenaNet president Mike O'Brien characterized the statements as "attacks on the community," saying "two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players" and that those employees are "no longer with the company." O'Brien also said "the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all."

It's no grand secret that game developers, especially women, are regularly targeted by fans who want to lash out, condescend or place blame, to say nothing of the insults, threats and other toxicity routinely hurled their way. That being said, this incident was not on the level of the harassment maelstroms we've seen in the past. A developer explained their writing philosophy, a partnered content creator offered feedback, and that developer responded somewhat rudely. Ordinarily that would be the end of it, perhaps followed by a round of apologies or someone stepping away from their role temporarily, but in this case ArenaNet felt the need to immediately fire the employees involved.
And the usual assclowns are out in full force:
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https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/guild-w...lowing-heated-twitter-exchange-with-streamer/
 
Honestly, GW2 is the best MMO out there atm by a large margin. Glad to see them purging ideological idiots before they could sink their claws into it too deep.
They only fired her because she mouthed off to a popular streamer and community partner. They still have people who would make Manveer Heir blush.
 
Arenanet is one of those rare gaming companies that actually keeps promises. They promised no subscription fees (in an era where this was common) released a massive game for 60 dollars, and promised to constantly work on it, and update it, and paying for the whole thing via a micro transaction store that only sells swag and convenience items, not pay to win. They even pay an economist full time to keep the in game market stable and wage jihad on Chinese gold farmers.

Honestly, GW2 is the best MMO out there atm by a large margin.

Arenanet achieved these things with Guild Wars 1 though. 2 was released right before the death of subscription MMOs (Wildstar being the last gasp). I mean it was only a few months before SWTOR went f2p. It would have been suicidal to give it a subscription for the obvious market trend alone, not to mention being f2p is something a priori expected for Guild Wars.

GW2 is just a bland wow-clone with a horrendous UI and an inferior combat system to both GW1 and WoW. The living content also seems hard to keep up with.
 
I do feel kind of bad for Peter. If you look at some of their twitter interactions, he's been fawning over her for at least a year. He's probably not even going to get a thank you after sacrificing his 13 year career. The guy is going to neck himself with a quaggan lanyard.

I don't. Most people learn at their first summer mcJob not to go hopping into other people's dumb conversations to start backing people up with no context.
 
From the Cock Gaper Shitgun article:

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If you're so fucking emotionally fragile that people disagreeing with the retarded things you say makes you flip out then why the fuck are you on the internet in the first place.

I love how these people blame everything on fucking non-existent "harassment campaigns"

Nintendo fired a retard who kept stirring up controversy and was literally prostituting herself on the side - harassment campaign made them do it
Chloe Sagal flame on'd after getting kicked out of her house because she threatened her living mates with a sharp object? - harassment campaign made her do it
Jeshitca Price got shitcanned after sperging out on a guy for no reason whatsoever? - harassment campaign made her do it

I guarantee you when people finally wake up and realize Zoe Quinn's shitty Kickstarter game is never ever coming out that it'll be blamed on some nonexistent harassment campaign preventing her from not shitposting on Twitter 24/7.

Obligatory globbergroop mention:

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The party line is that people said she should get fired and that's why Arenanet fired her. But there's no actual causal link; the official statement is clear on why she was fired, and it's all the SJWs/ratkings who are claiming it could only be because, what, a handful of people on Twitter and one subreddit complained about her? I suppose when they do mob justice it's a revolution, but when other people do it it's just a handful of neckbeards with disproportionate power.

I was discussing it on Twitter and this game dev came in to defend her. At one point he complained that people only used to get fired because of being hugely racist on social media, but that this was some kind of new terrain or slippery slope. Also, that because she was a dev, not in PR/CS, she shouldn't have to be polite. Her Twitter bio doesn't even have that 'views expressed may not be that of my employer' disclaimer that so many do, and her tweets related to her job specifically, so it's easy to consider her representing her employee while doing it. And it's the usual sort of 'it's fine when we do it!' crap to suggest that they use mob justice for good, but if they don't like it it's mob justice for evil.

But the thing that's the big lie that they're propagating is that she was harassed, or dealing with mansplaining, or in any way interrupted, talked over or condescended to. We can see the goddamn tweets, we can see the guy agreeing with her, bringing up his idea, and his big mistake - thinking it was a conversation, which apparently counts as harassment on Twitter now.

Sure, she may deal with abuse - I'd guarantee it's less than she claims to get, considering what she considers 'abuse', but there's assholes on the internet, I wouldn't be surprised. But this clearly wasn't it. We can all see it wasn't. And instead of admitting she might have over-reacted, or taken out her frustrations on an inappropriate target, she just doubles and triples down, making it all about how she's the victim here. And the usual suspects just eat it up, most likely not even bothering to look at the tweets themselves but it fits their worldview so that's what must have happened.

It will be interesting to see if any of her white knights actually give her a job, and even more interesting to see how long it is before her toxicity gets her quietly let go from whoever is stupid enough to employ her next...
 
I thought Nintendo canned someone for using their professional social media accounts to make some weird hebephilic straight shota advocacy comments and or some such?
I'm sure her pedophilia support didn't help the case, but the main reason Ali got fired was because of her whoring on the side.
 
The party line is that people said she should get fired and that's why Arenanet fired her. But there's no actual causal link; the official statement is clear on why she was fired, and it's all the SJWs/ratkings who are claiming it could only be because, what, a handful of people on Twitter and one subreddit complained about her? I suppose when they do mob justice it's a revolution, but when other people do it it's just a handful of neckbeards with disproportionate power.
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The death knell of SJWism will be people getting tired of double-standards, either on actual moral grounds, or by realizing they've been run so blatantly you can't even exploit them for personal gain anymore.

The current outrage culture where anything you don't like is proof of some nefarious hate group, and narrative forming before the evidence is in has been a disaster for social media and turned it into the worlds biggest, cattiest, high school clique.

Putting cart before the horse will eventually prove unsustainable, and I hope we're getting near the end.
 
A shock that people will judge you based on your portfolio and personality instead of your identity group, isn't it?

If you're a hopeless Tumblr-ized social media addict, that is.
 
https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/888450803920281600

Didn't even make it a year! Great job!

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My only real regret here is that I encouraged other women to come on board and promised them it was a safe company for them.

It is a safe company for women, it's just not a safe company for people who attack content creators who basically advertise the game for free in their spare time then act like it's about feminism or something. Calling people your company hold in high esteem "randos" and giving them attitude for trying to talk to you because you're off the clock when they basically pay your bills is - and I hope she isn't shocked by this - generally bad for business.

Sucks for Peter, though. I do like the guy, it's just a shame he chose this hill to die on, considering how monumentally blown out of proportion it was. I have higher hopes for him than I do for her, because he's solidly worked with ArenaNet for over a decade and he's pretty beloved by the community, but I doubt Jessica will get hired by companies in a genuine way, just a ham-fisted "L-look guys! We're feminists too! We support the underdog! Does anyone know who Jessica is btw" way.

Besides, ArenaNet was warned about Price's bullshit the day it came to light that she was hired. I don't know why celebrating a guy dying of cancer on her public twitter account wasn't what got her fired, but... I don't know. I'm just some rando asshat, I guess.

Anyway, here's another video from another ArenaNet partner who explains everything, if you cba reading the actual articles:

 
Haha what? Kamiya is an experienced dev-gone-creator with 6 director credits under his belt, all of which being critically positive and at least half of which launching entire franchises. He's not some nobody that worked on Kinectimals near the bottom of the totem pole. It's not that he's a man, he's the man.

This is like an Apple employee getting pissy because she decides to only show up when they feel like it, gets fired, and people defend her with "Yeah well why does Wozniak get to do it?!"
 
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