Culture Guild Wars 2 writers fired following heated Twitter exchange with streamer - Gamergate, the gift that keeps on giving.

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Guild Wars 2 developer ArenaNet recently parted ways with writers Jessica Price and Peter Fries, who were involved in a contentious Twitter discussion with Guild Wars 2 Twitch streamer and YouTuber Deroir, who is also partnered with ArenaNet through its content creator program.

On Tuesday, July 3, Price wrote a lengthy Twitter thread about writing for MMOs, particularly Guild Wars 2, and why player characters are uniquely difficult to write compared to protagonists in singleplayer games. To put it simply, she discussed how to give characters personality in a way that also leaves room for players to create their own character. In a reply to Price's thread, Deroir argued that branching dialogue options could give players more ways to define their character's personality, overcome the MMO-specific constraints Price discussed, and improve the roleplaying potential of Guild Wars 2.

Yesterday Price highlighted Deroir's reply in a series of tweets suggesting he was uninformed and that his reply was condescending.

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Among those tweets, the one that's drawn the most ire, particularly on the Guild Wars 2 subreddit, is Price's remark about "rando asshats" talking down to experienced writers and developers.

Responding to the mounting criticism of these tweets, Peter Fries defended Price's position in a now-deleted tweet which is archived here, saying "she never asked for [Deroir's] feedback".

For his part, Deroir said that he "meant no disrespect" and simply wanted to create "dialogue and discussion" with Price. He also apologized for any offense his argument may have caused.

In a post to the Guild Wars 2 forums, in a thread explicitly about Price and Fries' tweets, ArenaNet president Mike O'Brien characterized the statements as "attacks on the community," saying "two of our employees failed to uphold our standards of communicating with players" and that those employees are "no longer with the company." O'Brien also said "the statements they made do not reflect the views of ArenaNet at all."

It's no grand secret that game developers, especially women, are regularly targeted by fans who want to lash out, condescend or place blame, to say nothing of the insults, threats and other toxicity routinely hurled their way. That being said, this incident was not on the level of the harassment maelstroms we've seen in the past. A developer explained their writing philosophy, a partnered content creator offered feedback, and that developer responded somewhat rudely. Ordinarily that would be the end of it, perhaps followed by a round of apologies or someone stepping away from their role temporarily, but in this case ArenaNet felt the need to immediately fire the employees involved.
And the usual assclowns are out in full force:
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https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/guild-w...lowing-heated-twitter-exchange-with-streamer/
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/innesmck/status/1015279767795519488

This thing won't die. Now some literally who fake boi troon who worked on No Man's Sky is jumping in with this word salad to excuse away why being an absolute cunt is always acceptable always because 'muh oppression'.

Jesus Christ. These people can never take resposibility ever for their actions and it just enables women to never ever take ownership of being an asshole. It's infantilsing women.

And the fact these people are railing against this firing but are 100% okay with firing devs in the past for sharing right wing ideas or retweeing people they don't agree with is fairly infuriating. I hate this industry now. I almost utterly despise the handful of toxic SJW that have been allow to fester and grow into it.
 
And the fact these people are railing against this firing but are 100% okay with firing devs in the past for sharing right wing ideas or retweeing people they don't agree with is fairly infuriating. I hate this industry now. I almost utterly despise the handful of toxic SJW that have been allow to fester and grow into it.
The overgrown forest of the AAA gaming industry needs a cleaning fire. The indies are already the only creators I can stand to play and support. They can rebuild.

Also lol @ a No Man's Sky dev thinking their voice matters to players. That game is trash.
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/innesmck/status/1015279767795519488

This thing won't die. Now some literally who fake boi troon who worked on No Man's Sky is jumping in with this word salad to excuse away why being an absolute cunt is always acceptable always because 'muh oppression'.

Jesus Christ. These people can never take resposibility ever for their actions and it just enables women to never ever take ownership of being an asshole. It's infantilsing women.

And the fact these people are railing against this firing but are 100% okay with firing devs in the past for sharing right wing ideas or retweeing people they don't agree with is fairly infuriating. I hate this industry now. I almost utterly despise the handful of toxic SJW that have been allow to fester and grow into it.
Then you got this Square Enix PR guy chiming in. Protecting a bitch who is a poison to public relations. Just... stop. Seriously, the entire industry needs a good cleaning.
 
Then you got this Square Enix PR guy chiming in. Protecting a bitch who is a poison to public relations. Just... stop. Seriously, the entire industry needs a good cleaning.

Acting like he knows anything about the head of AreaNet is just ridiculous.

But he's right that this isn't the first unceremonious departure. For Jess Price. I doubt she'll find work at another major studio.
 
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Endorsed by Randy Pitchford, lol.


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He's already backtracked a bit.

I'll give him credit, at least he admits she fucked up (repeatedly) which is a hell of a lot more than most of her other white knights have done.

Unfortunately for Randy the problem with Jessica is that she's impossible to lead. She's a horse that if you led it to water it would call the water sexist and refuse to drink any until it keeled over of dehydration and then a bunch of oblivious retards would blame you for her death and start calling for a boycott of your farm.

http://archive.is/l7Og8

This is a big-ass Twitter rant (for fucks sake use a different fucking website if you're going to write 10,000 characters) she went on back in last October, claiming she was trying to fight the good fight against those damn dirty misogynerds but the meanie bosses wouldn't let her. Some choice quotes:

"Examples of being "rude"? Telling a guy to stop calling me Mrs., telling a guy who'd repeatedly hounded me that I was blocking him, etc."

What, was he supposed to call you "Mr." Price, what the fuck is the problem here? You don't address people on a first name basis if you're not close to them Jessica, that's basic fucking etiquette. Though given how you responded to that guy on Twitter it seems safe to say you have absolutely no knowledge of it.

"For years, I bent over BACKWARDS offering professional help on how to make the community less toxic and they ignored it."

That's because you're fucking quality assurance not the fucking community manager.

You'll notice a reoccurring theme with Jessica is her belief that she knows fucking everything and is right 100% of the time. Unfortunately for her this belief conflicts with reality.

"Like if someone actually made explicit threats, they'd deal with it. It's not that they were monsters--they just didn't want to be bothered."

"I knew how to run their company better than they did"

"They had employees who had way more professional expertise in these issues than they did, and they treated us like unruly children."

The professional expertise of being the community manager on a terrible game no one played that lasted all of 5 months before Microsoft cancelled further development (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight#Cancellation). I'm sure having to coral all those rowdy flight simulator fans must have been real tough work and is totally comparable to that of a fucking MMORPG with about 1000 times as many players.

"But if you came to them like look, I'm a professional, I'm an expert on this stuff, and how we're handling it isn't cool, you got blown off."

If you came to them as a smug, self-righteous git they wouldn't respond favorably. Who could have possibly seen that coming?

"And dealing with a lot of the forum/community stuff, eventually the conclusion was "ok, you're not required to post there." Not to FIX it."

And now we're getting to the meat of the matter. Jessica's bosses looked at her experience on the forums and determined the best thing for everyone was for her to fuck off them and just do something else. Unfortunately, Jessica has never seen poop she doesn't wanna touch.

"And yeah, I don't have as many receipts for this stuff because I trusted their assurances that they cared, for years."

"I don't have any proof but do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?"

"But you know, after years of inaction, and years of being treated as if pointing out problems is an infraction, you start to get cynical."

Because pointing out problems with the community isn't your fucking job, fool. If I was a store manager and my fucking janitor kept coming up to me and telling me how to do my job better I'd probably get really fucking annoyed pretty fast too.

"Not just Paizo: many companies treat the employees who risk themselves to get stuff fixed internally so it never GOES public as problems."

Because. It's. Not. Your. Fucking. Job.

"And ultimately, no company can prevent harassment, assault, bad actors on forums, etc. But they can control how they react to it."

Given how you responded to polite disagreement from a guy who worshiped the ground you stood on I sure as shit wouldn't let you have free reign on how you chose to react to things.

"And, like, look, they don't have anything I want for myself at this point. But I do continue to worry about my team members still there."

"haha I didn't wanna work there anymore anyways LOLZ"

"Like, I was willing to get in people's faces because I had a background in video games, and felt like I could go somewhere else if I needed."

A completely nonexistent background which gave you the right to do none of that. Going somewhere else worked out real well for you though.

tl;dr Jessica Price's ego is the size of a small planet and completely uncontrollable.
 
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He's already backtracked a bit.

I'll give him credit, at least he admits she fucked up (repeatedly) which is a hell of a lot more than most of her other white knights have done.

Unfortunately for Randy the problem with Jessica is that she's impossible to lead. She's a horse that if you led it to water it would call the water sexist and refuse to drink any until it keeled over of dehydration and then a bunch of oblivious exceptional individuals would blame you for her death and start calling for a boycott of your farm.

http://archive.is/l7Og8

This is a big-ass Twitter rant (for fucks sake use a different fucking website if you're going to write 10,000 characters) she went on back in last October, claiming she was trying to fight the good fight against those damn dirty misogynerds but the meanie bosses wouldn't let her. Some choice quotes:

"Examples of being "rude"? Telling a guy to stop calling me Mrs., telling a guy who'd repeatedly hounded me that I was blocking him, etc."

What, was he supposed to call you "Mr." Price, what the fuck is the problem here? You don't address people on a first name basis if you're not close to them Jessica, that's basic fucking etiquette. Though given how you responded to that guy on Twitter it seems safe to say you have absolutely no knowledge of it.

"For years, I bent over BACKWARDS offering professional help on how to make the community less toxic and they ignored it."

That's because you're fucking quality assurance not the fucking community manager.

You'll notice a reoccurring theme with Jessica is her belief that she knows fucking everything and is right 100% of the time. Unfortunately for her this belief conflicts with reality.

"Like if someone actually made explicit threats, they'd deal with it. It's not that they were monsters--they just didn't want to be bothered."

"I knew how to run their company better than they did"

"They had employees who had way more professional expertise in these issues than they did, and they treated us like unruly children."

The professional expertise of being the community manager on a terrible game no one played that lasted all of 5 months before Microsoft cancelled further development (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Flight#Cancellation). I'm sure having to coral all those rowdy flight simulator fans must have been real tough work and is totally comparable to that of a fucking MMORPG with about 1000 times as many players.

"But if you came to them like look, I'm a professional, I'm an expert on this stuff, and how we're handling it isn't cool, you got blown off."

If you came to them as a smug, self-righteous git they wouldn't respond favorably. Who could have possibly seen that coming?

"And dealing with a lot of the forum/community stuff, eventually the conclusion was "ok, you're not required to post there." Not to FIX it."

And now we're getting to the meat of the matter. Jessica's bosses looked at her experience on the forums and determined the best thing for everyone was for her to fuck off them and just do something else. Unfortunately, Jessica has never seen poop she doesn't wanna touch.

"And yeah, I don't have as many receipts for this stuff because I trusted their assurances that they cared, for years."

"I don't have any proof but do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?"

But you know, after years of inaction, and years of being treated as if pointing out problems is an infraction, you start to get cynical.

Because pointing out problems isn't your fucking job, fool. If I was a store manager and my fucking janitor kept coming up to me and telling me how to do my job better I'd probably get really fucking annoyed pretty fast too.

Not just Paizo: many companies treat the employees who risk themselves to get stuff fixed internally so it never GOES public as problems.

Because. It's. Not. Your. Fucking. Job.

"And ultimately, no company can prevent harassment, assault, bad actors on forums, etc. But they can control how they react to it."

Given how you responded to polite disagreement from a guy who worshiped the ground you stood on I sure as shit wouldn't let you have free reign on how you chose to react to things.

"And, like, look, they don't have anything I want for myself at this point. But I do continue to worry about my team members still there."

"haha I didn't wanna work there anymore anyways LOLZ"

"Like, I was willing to get in people's faces because I had a background in video games, and felt like I could go somewhere else if I needed."

A completely nonexistent background which gave you the right to do none of that. Going somewhere else worked out real well for you though.

tl;dr Jessica Price's ego is the size of a small planet and completely uncontrollable.
No wonder she gets along with Brianna Wu so well. They both have the same level of unwarranted self-importance and complete inability to do their supposed jobs.
 
Union? So you can go on strike every time feefees get hurt?:lol:

Gamergate is dead. It's 2018 and this is getting more and more pathetic by the minute. But keep on trying to convince people that it's still a thing anyone cares about.

And don't compare yourselves to Norma Rae. You're not a working class single mother trying to make ends meet while working in seriously dangerous conditions.
 
I almost want to bet she ends up at Gearbox.

Oh gods no. Remember there are the rules they virtue signal, and the rules they follow. Randy knows she is a toxic piece of shit, and he’s never going to let her near his money flow. But that won’t stop him from virtue signaling his Woke ness by twitter supporting her. Her resume gets insta shredded anytime it shows up at Gearbox, or any other major dev house. They may claim to support her, but none of them want to work with this bitch. They have enough problems of their own.
 
Oh gods no. Remember there are the rules they virtue signal, and the rules they follow. Randy knows she is a toxic piece of shit, and he’s never going to let her near his money flow. But that won’t stop him from virtue signaling his Woke ness by twitter supporting her. Her resume gets insta shredded anytime it shows up at Gearbox, or any other major dev house. They may claim to support her, but none of them want to work with this bitch. They have enough problems of their own.

I totally agree after seeing that later tweet he did. I figure most of them know she's a shithead.

Probably ends up at some super small studio for a year or two before she inevitably blows up again. Then again might just be stuck in McJob land for now on.
 
Ain't that fuckin' ironic? Nerds who sit on their ass 24/7 and think they're hot shit. What is with this trend of complete and utter faggots attacking the character of people who keep them from being fucking burger flippers?:story:
i wish these people would make up their minds on if they're nerds or not
it's like every other week it's
BUT IMA TRUE NERD THOSE CISHETWHITEMALES ARE FAKE NERDS
then it's
LOL NERDS R DUM #YESALLNERDS #BRINGBACKBULLYING
 
i wish these people would make up their minds on if they're nerds or not
it's like every other week it's
BUT IMA TRUE NERD THOSE CISHETWHITEMALES ARE FAKE NERDS
then it's
LOL NERDS R DUM #YESALLNERDS #BRINGBACKBULLYING

It's so they can kick you out of their fruity little club if you forget which line it is this week.
 
i wish these people would make up their minds on if they're nerds or not
it's like every other week it's
BUT IMA TRUE NERD THOSE CISHETWHITEMALES ARE FAKE NERDS
then it's
LOL NERDS R DUM #YESALLNERDS #BRINGBACKBULLYING

What if you're a pro-bullying nerd? Cause there are some exceptional individuals that even we wanna fuck with.
 
Cause calling people "manbabies" worked out so well for Fembusters.
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While gamers are a spastic lot, the money they spend has voice to companies that develop and shill out games. So of course the $20 of a gamer would matter. Even then, this whole firing came from the ex-writer having a Twitter spat she could of walked away from.
https://twitter.com/betterthemask/status/1015231374259826688?s=09

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Ain't that fuckin' ironic? Nerds who sit on their ass 24/7 and think they're hot shit. What is with this trend of complete and utter faggots attacking the character of people who keep them from being fucking burger flippers?:story:
Yes, shove every nerd in the locker for game devs, even the nerds that either don't give a shit about this or would say "what the hell is this bird talking about"? As for attacking the character of those that stop these people from being burger flippers, it may as well be a combination of white knighting this Guild Wars 2 writer and thinking any gamer complaining about a game is a personal attack or something like that.

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Union? So you can go on strike every time feefees get hurt?:lol:

Gamergate is dead. It's 2018 and this is getting more and more pathetic by the minute. But keep on trying to convince people that it's still a thing anyone cares about.

And don't compare yourselves to Norma Rae. You're not a working class single mother trying to make ends meet while working in seriously dangerous conditions.
Union? So you can go on strike every time feefees get hurt?:lol:

Gamergate is dead. It's 2018 and this is getting more and more pathetic by the minute. But keep on trying to convince people that it's still a thing anyone cares about.

And don't compare yourselves to Norma Rae. You're not a working class single mother trying to make ends meet while working in seriously dangerous conditions.

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Gamergate is dead. It's 2018 and this is getting more and more pathetic by the minute. But keep on trying to convince people that it's still a thing anyone cares about.
It's funny to see how people can still bring up it's corpse. A good example of that is a rat king sperging about how GG is not free speech when it's likely GG didn't have any involvement outside of maybe having some sperging on places like KiA.
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https://archive.fo/qLSt9

Another example is thinking it's still alive to keep people out of the industry.
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