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April Ryan said:
I'm sorry WHAT?

1 No one but Diana can touch the fucking lasso without burning themselves so there's no way to steal it.
2 Diana can move faster than fucking light meaning there is no conceivable way to take the lasso without her immediately realizing and taking it back without incident, let alone getting clear and throwing the thing at batman.
3 Diana is the only who can use the lasso to force people to tell the truth, simply wrapping someone in it prevents them from lying, but they can avoid that by just not saying anything.
4 WW and Superman can both move faster then any human can think, not even talking about see. Either one can knock her into another timezone without her, in anyway, being able to resist so the threat against batman is utterly meaningless.

If anyone from DC ever reads this, this shit right here is way I stopped buying your books almost a fucking decade ago.
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Enh. Maybe the writer's only knowledge of Wonder Woman comes from the 70's era TV show, where Diana did get her lasso stolen from her and used on her by others. Still, Diana would have to be both weak and stupid to not think Harley's act was a trap.
 
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Catgirl IRL said:
She's the prime suspect in the recent murder of several heroes, and the big three confront her together.

Harley fools WW by crying and throwing herself into her arms, then disarms WW by stealing her lasso.

Harley then uses the lasso to over power Batman, threatening to break his neck if the other two try anything, and forces him to admit he has kryptonite in his bat belt.

This is enough to keep Superman distracted, for some reason, allowing Harley to escape without issue.

Its a prime example of a character being "smart" because everyone else immediately gets the intelligence of a box of rocks.
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What the fuck.... Superman KNOWS Batman has Kryptonite. HE FUCKING GAVE HIM SOME! On multiple occasions, too. Finding out he's carrying Kryptonite should provoke nothing more than a "So what?" from Supes.
 
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You're a good person, Harley.
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Although I'm really loving this show my biggest complaint is that for a comedy show, Harley herself isn't funny. Sure she is, crazy, hysterical, excitable, and she technically dresses like a clown, but the humor just isn't there. This is odd to me because the writers clearly can write comedy.

I would go as far as to say that if you look past all the high energy, she is actually a sad character. And I don't mean the fact Harley is meant to be a bit of tragic character with her falling in love with Joker. but in that Harley Quinn, in general, is at her best when the depressing parts of her life are contrasted with the irony of her being a comedian.

Contrast her with her BTAS incarnation were there is a lot of humor:


I know comedy is subjective, but the issue isn't that her jokes aren't to my particular taste, but rather in the fact that I don't see even an attempt on her to be funny because they focus too much on her drama so we feel sorry for her.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
Although I'm really loving this show my biggest complaint is that for a comedy show, Harley herself isn't funny.
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I'm not really surprised. They most definitely based her on Margot Robbie's Harley, as it's the most topical. Not what I'd call funny.

I still don't know much about this show, but if it's a new series starring women in 2020 and not woke, that alone makes it interesting.
 
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Guts Gets Some said:
I'm not really surprised. They most definitely based her on Margot Robbie's Harley, as it's the most topical. Not what I'd call funny.

I still don't know much about this show, but if it's a new series starring women in 2020 and not woke, that alone makes it interesting.
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Still, that was just a nitpick of me. Although I know you aren't into superheroes that much, I definitively recommend this show because it's genuinely a very good parody of DC superheroes in general. My favorite version of Poison ivy for sure.

Also, I couldn't agree more! This show is breath of fresh air because it's trying to tell a good story first, instead of being preachy borefest all woke entertainment is today.

Although, it's a bid sad we are all becoming so desperate for good entertainment that not being preachy, sanctimonious, and without joy (aka woke) is a huge achivement instead of the bare mimimum.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
Still, that was just a nitpick of me. Although I know you aren't into superheroes that much, I definitively recommend this show because it's a very good parody of DC superheroes in general, and genuinely both funny and heartwarming. My favorite version of Poison ivy for sure.

Also, I couldn't agree more! This show is a breath of fresh air because it's trying to tell a good story first, instead of being preachy borefest like all woke entertainment is today.

Although, it's a bid sad we are all becoming so desperate for good entertainment that not being preachy, sanctimonious, and without joy (aka woke) is a huge achievement instead of the bare minimum.
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Where's the psychic rating button again? Because you keep on reading my mind!

I also try not to get too eager for low hanging fruit these days, simply because all the other fruit is on the ground trampled and smeared in shit; doesn't make the other one good by comparison. (Me and my analogies)
The fact it's not woke to me illustrates at the very least, they HAVE an idea and a story to tell, not preach to us. Good start. :)

Anyway, you should know how I feel about parodies too, so it sounds fun! I'd love to discuss it eventually too!
 
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Pixy Misa said:
Still, that was just a nitpick of mine. Although I know you aren't into superheroes that much, I definitively recommend this show because it's a very good parody of DC superheroes in general, and genuinely both funny and heartwarming. It has my favorite version of Poison ivy for sure.

Also, I couldn't agree more! This show is a breath of fresh air because it's trying to tell a good story first, instead of being preachy borefest like all woke entertainment is today.

Although, it's a bid sad we are all becoming so desperate for good entertainment that not being preachy, sanctimonious, and without joy (aka woke) is seen as a huge achievement instead of the bare minimum.
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I think it’s more that it’s a show that everyone expected to be annoyingly woke but then didn’t is kinda what adds to the feeling of it being good. Having the lowest expectations and then getting a quality show in return.
 
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I'm not spoilering the below because none of us have been spoilering things so far - it's pretty much an as you watch it thread. But fwiw, episode details discussed.


To continue the theme of expectations, I've been nervously enjoying this from the very start, simultaneously laughing and dreading the moment they blow it. That may have just happened. Despite the running schtick of Amazonian invisible vehicles and a staggeringly awful musical number, there was one thing that didn't bode well in this episode. Ivy and Harley sleeping together, twice; plus all the heavy-handed signalling that Kiteman and Ivy aren't right for each other which feels like it's just come out of the blue, really bugs me. Harley and Ivy haven't had any chemistry in this series that I've noticed. Then the moment Ivy finds a genuinely decent person, Harley fucking sets her up to deliberately seduce her rather than let Ivy move on. They really laid it on thick in this episode but it doesn't work, imo. I don't think Ivy and Harley are a good couple. If anything Harley is a semi-abusive mooch.

Also, silly no doubt but it vaguely irritates me when Jen - an out of shape life insurance clerk starts killing multiple amazons in hand to hand combat. Inconsistent powerlevels is my pet peeve.

Good episode in the details, but underlying problems. I knew, knew the moment I trusted this show it would do something to mess it up. I LIKED Kiteman and Ivy as a couple. I doubt I'm the only one. This may be a case where early plans for an arc don't match up to how the characters actually develop and how the audience likes them.
 
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Overly Serious said:
I'm not spoilering the below because none of us have been spoilering things so far - it's pretty much an as you watch it thread. But fwiw, episode details discussed.


To continue the theme of expectations, I've been nervously enjoying this from the very start, simultaneously laughing and dreading the moment they blow it. That may have just happened. Despite the running schtick of Amazonian invisible vehicles and a staggeringly awful musical number, there was one thing that didn't bode well in this episode. Ivy and Harley sleeping together, twice; plus all the heavy-handed signalling that Kiteman and Ivy aren't right for each other which feels like it's just come out of the blue, really bugs me. Harley and Ivy haven't had any chemistry in this series that I've noticed. Then the moment Ivy finds a genuinely decent person, Harley fucking sets her up to deliberately seduce her rather than let Ivy move on. They really laid it on thick in this episode but it doesn't work, imo. I don't think Ivy and Harley are a good couple. If anything Harley is a semi-abusive mooch.

Also, silly no doubt but it vaguely irritates me when Jen - an out of shape life insurance clerk starts killing multiple amazons in hand to hand combat. Inconsistent powerlevels is my pet peeve.

Good episode in the details, but underlying problems. I knew, knew the moment I trusted this show it would do something to mess it up. I LIKED Kiteman and Ivy as a couple. I doubt I'm the only one. This may be a case where early plans for an arc don't match up to how the characters actually develop and how the audience likes them.
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What I took from this episode is that Harley is becoming the Joker. The entire Bachelorette party was to manipulate Ivy into being with Harley. Notice how Harley only drank on the flight to Themyscria, not on the nights she slept with Ivy. Harley was fully aware of her actions while Ivy was clearly drunk. Harley is acting like the Joker; emotionally manipulating Ivy to ruin her relationship with Kite-Man and keep her emotionally dependent on Harley.

At least, that’s where I would go with this plot.
 
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Imperial Citizen said:
What I took from this episode is that Harley is becoming the Joker. The entire Bachelorette party was to manipulate Ivy into being with Harley. Notice how Harley only drank on the flight to Themyscria, not on the nights she slept with Ivy. Harley was fully aware of her actions while Ivy was clearly drunk. Harley is acting like the Joker; emotionally manipulating Ivy to ruin her relationship with Kite-Man and keep her emotionally dependent on Harley.

At least, that’s where I would go with this plot.
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That's brilliant. I doubt they'd do it. But it's brilliant.
 
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Overly Serious said:
That's brilliant. I doubt they'd do it. But it's brilliant.
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Yeah, as violent and “mature” as this series is, having your main character admit that they’ve raped and emotionally manipulated their closest friend would be a bit too dark.

They’ll probably make reference to Harley manipulating Ivy, but not go as a far as I have.
 
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