Careercow Hayden Black - Untalented comedian with a string of failures including the infamous Gen Zed; suspended from Twitter

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Awwwww, you're too sweet dear. Way too sweet to be hanging around with these neckbeards. :-p

There was a lot of that "LOL you're a Tr*nny with a giant chin and man hands" in the first few pages, but that stopped when most people realized I'm pretty immune to that personally regardless of the fact that I have and will continue to speak out against transphobia online. (Although Amy Lee's "Arms say Chopin, Jaw says Wagner" line got a smile out of me for some odd reason).

I do appreciate that you think so highly of me and are rooting for me to get bigger and better. I hope my work as a performer lives up to that admiration. I really do.

The only personal issue I have with you was recording the animatic. But other than that, you're really nice for a terrorist.

:heart-full:

Yeah Amy Lee is traumatised due to her ordeal of being stalked by a British councillor, so uses offensive humour as a defence mechanism, and Cat just likes toying with people, I'd pay them no mind. The majority of Kiwis tend to be nice if you are too. We're very much a 'earn our respect' community.

Back on topic though, what do you think Hayden's next project will be?

I'm currently thinking 'The World's First Musical entirely starring people who've had a total laryngectomy.'
 
Hey Julie! Really nice to see you again!

I'm sorry people were mean to you on here, but I see folks are being a bit more polite, I hope that helps.

I do still feel somewhat bad about the animatic, my interaction with you made me deeply consider NOT uploading the video. Still, Hayden is what really drove me to upload it, I can't stand the guy honestly, how do you do it?

I'm not being facetious when I say he's been truly nice to me. I may not agree with all his decisions (specifically on the marketing of the show), but he's always treated me with the utmost respect; so I really have no complaints about working with him beyond wanting to see the product we worked so hard on.

May I ask? What came first in your life? Wanting to be an actress or realizing you were a transgender individual? Do you think both equally have standing in your life or does one influence you more than the other?
Much love!

Being Trans is just something I always was. Ever since having recollection I've known. It's just as fixed in my being as breathing is. I didn't realize I wanted to perform until college. I think I needed to transition and have the weight of that lifted from my psyche before I truly realized what I wanted to do with my life. The first few years in college I actually studied Molecular Biology and the more I became honest with myself, the more I realized I didn't want to live my life in a lab (Though I still adore genetics and keep up on new studies).

Being a performer is more my life than anything else. If anything being Trans has been a roadblock to performing. I started out in Voice Over and Animation because I didn't want to deal with the intricacies of figuring out how the two intersect. I truly thought when I got back into On-Camera work, it would simply be Trans roles, but it's been the opposite. And if that's how the rest of my career is, I'd be content. My being a performer is who I am more than any physical barriers.
 
I'm only 45 pages into this thread, but damn. I can't hold my tongue anymore! Someone before mentioned that the style was somehow uglier than that of the Total Drama style...but how does no one notice that Huey appears to be a ripoff of Duncan? It's like Hayden saw that TD used stereotypes, and tried to do the same without understanding WHY it worked for TD.
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(Feel free to rate me extremely late if this has already been brought up)
 
None of us claimed to idolize her, but okay. I don't really see how she's relevant here.

You mention her videos in reference to several lolcows. I'm not doing a search of your own forums for you.

This is just in reference to my point that you have a conservative leaning bias because you don't include right wing lolcows who do the same.

See this post:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/gen-zed-hayden-black.12112/page-336#post-1641476
 
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I'm not being facetious when I say he's been truly nice to me. I may not agree with all his decisions (specifically on the marketing of the show), but he's always treated me with the utmost respect; so I really have no complaints about working with him beyond wanting to see the product we worked so hard on.

You know, we have a very negative image of Hayden not only because all we see of him is his online persona- i.e. arrogant, belligerent, unfunny and tasteless- but also because we've been doing a fair bit of digging on him.
And when you take a look at his career, there's some pretty sketchy shit coming up. For one thing, he keeps starting companies that then get suspended by the Franchise Tax board for, well, not paying taxes. When he started the Gen Zed production company, he used someone else's name, presumably because his previous two ventures(in hiw own name) got suspended.

Another thing is that it's not the first time he asks people to work for deferred pay on shows that either see very few episodes or never see the light of day. He talks big about networks, contracts, what-have-you, gets people to do the work for him, then the show never amounts to anything but a few youtube videos, if that.
One such example is the Cabonauts from 2009. He got some pretty big names to work on it, boasted about how deferred pay was such a good business model because he was going to turn the show into this big hit in collaboration with Dailymotion. And then nothing at all was filmed beyond the pilot. Some people even called him out on this- all back in '09, mind you.

And he's been known to use sock accounts to give himself glowing reviews (and even a wiki article!), try and get his friends to shout down his critics, buying fake followers and using alt accounts to bolster his own image on social media, putting out merch for shows that don't exist...
Not to mention the fact that his "humour" is often incredibly offensive even though he touts himself out as a progressive, which makes him look like a giant hypocritical opportunist.
His show is blatantly attempting to pander to a certain audience, and yet he has no idea at all how to please said audience. It's obvious he thought the LGBT crowd would be easy money. His attempts at making quick cash out of low-effort pandering are so half-arsed and obvious it's funny.

Put all this together and you have global picture of a complete failure of a comedian who comes accross as a cynical, money-grubbing arsehole. So you see, it's not really his politics- more like the fact that he is both criminally unfunny and cripplingly incompetent, and shouts it out to the heavens.

On a side note- @JulieRei ,If you think Gen Zed gets attacked because of its politics, how do you explain that people on Tumblr- I.E part of the audience the show was trying to cater to- completely rejected and mocked it? Take a look at the tag and you'll see criticisms are coming from all sides, not just from transphobes or reactionaries.
 
You mention her videos in reference to several lolcows. I'm not doing a search of your own forums for you.

This is just in reference to my point that you have a conservative leaning bias because you don't include right wing lolcows who do the same.

See this post:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/gen-zed-hayden-black.12112/page-336#post-1641476
Yeah, I have no idea who this random shim you're talking about is. Perhaps if you didn't address us as a hivemind? As I said before, you've met exactly one kiwi and liked her. Maybe we're not gonna fit into this theoretical mold you put forward?
Have you checked our the Sluthate threads yet like we talked about, or are we ignoring things that don't fit the narrative here? Not a judgement, just curious.
 
First off, literally who?
Second, we generally do not allow threads on people who have achieved mainstream fame. There have been some exceptions, but they're rare. (Unless of course our thread started before the person became infamous.)
We really don't. Alt-right types tend to dislike this place too.
This is so far off. This place is largely very liberal; the few conservative voices here aren't very loud and don't last too long.
 
What are five things you'd change if you wrote Gen Zed @JulieRei ? I'm asking because we did some of that a while ago in the thread.

And this place runs the gamut politically. We have a mix of right and left, authoritarian and libertarian here. The people who get threads here tend to be here mainly because they can't actually adult when forced into situations where they need to, which breaks ideological boundaries.
 
She's an anti-SJW Trans Woman who made a RW Media Victimization tour after she conveniently prodded BLM.

Reference of her relevance only because of her victimization:



She just seems like another delusional asshole crying to get attention. Not seeing us getting much entertainment from her though. Again, we don't follow any certain agenda or anything, we just laugh at dumb people.

And the reason that we have so many threads on SJW and the like is because they're unbelievably childish people who have turned being trans into a trend (hence the term transtrender) and tend to be generally unpleasant.
 
She's an anti-SJW Trans Woman who made a RW Media Victimization tour after she conveniently prodded BLM.

Reference of her relevance only because of her victimization:



I am guilty of using her videos in other threads to chastise the ones who hold a different view of transgender people than me, namely those that believe in the non-binary. I've used Blair's rant video in the Assigned Male thread. Nice to see a differing viewpoint.

Now, back to the show.

One of the animators briefly hired by Hayden Black to do the 3D work for Bugs portion of the show is named Terra Snover. She does the comic Mock Girl, a comic that was cited as a good example of one that tackles trans issues in an article for Lolcow News. Back in March, shortly after doing some of the modeling for Hayden Black, she came into very hard times:
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Did Hayden at all help Snover out? From the sound of things, he had nothing to give. Now Hayden is back down to one animator (assuming Bradley). It's not hard to see how some of us can think Hayden is really scummy.

Now, can you ask yourself if I donated money to help Snover out of kindness, or to spite Hayden? I'll leave that interpretation up to you.

It's really good to see you answering questions forthright.
 
@JulieRei If you think that the reason Blaire White doesn't have a thread here is because she apparently leans to the conservative side of the political spectrum then you don't "get" the Farms and you have an ideological blind spot, i.e. your preconceptions prevent you from seeing what is actually happening here.

Blair doesn't have a thread here simply because she isn't a lolcow. She is a young MtF tran.s woman that is studying towards a degree and also makes humorous/topical YT videos. She is normal and her normality can be demonstrated by comparing her to the crazy troons and transtrenders we do have on the forum:
  • Blair isn't delusional about her appearance--compare Casey Courtright, Brianna Wu, Nekoarc, Terra, Leighanna Rose
  • Blair doesn't claim to have been raped by thousands of people--compare Chloe Sagal
  • Blair doesn't post videos on the web of herself engaged in some paraphilia--compare Casey Courtright, Zach Sklar/Zinnia Jones, Wesley "Laurelai" james Earl Bailey
  • Blair isn't a NEET that spends all her time on social media posting garbage--compare Leighanna Rose, Chloe Sagal
  • Blair doesn't pretend to be an expert in endocrinology, neuroscience, pharmacology--compare Zach Sklar/Zinnia Jones
  • Blair doesn't pretend to be an expert at everything--compare Brianna Wu
  • Blair doesn't invent people in order to bleed her patrons--compare Brianna Wu
  • Blair doesn't present tumblr nonsense as cutting-edge scientific results--compare Zach Sklar/Zinnia Jones, Milo Stewart/Natty Stewart
  • Blair doesn't pretend to be a 733t hacker and expert on malware--compare Wesley "Laurelai" james Earl Bailey
I can go on but I'll stop there. The troons and transtrenders that do have threads here act like spastics, they habitually say and do idiotic things that are funny. It really is as simple as that.

Your claim that Blair is being a professional victim is misguided and apologetic of BLM delinquency. As Blair told you she had a Patreon before she was threatened by BLM thugs. In any event, having a Patreon isn't a problem per se. The problem is having a Patreon on false premises (Brianna Wu) or delivering nothing to the patrons (Zoe Quinn). Blair regularly uploads YT videos and that is what her Patreon states:

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Nowhere on Blair's Patreon does it say she needs to employ someone to filter her social media (Brianna Wu), that she is engaged in some nebulous ideological struggle (Alison Rapp) or that she is making games when she isn't (Zoe Quinn).

Her harassment is of (limited) public interest because she is tran.s, she is of a minority yet she is being victimized by a supposedly oppressed ethnic group because she criticised BLM. BLM is thoroughly progressivist and identarian in its rhetoric yet they are harassing someone that their own ideology deems to be oppressed. It is that internal contradiction that got the conservative online media's attention.

More broadly your criticism of Blair White is redolent of the attitude that those from an ethnic or sexual minority have to subscribe to progressivist identarian political ideology else they are "Uncle Toms", "House Niggers", "bad trannies", "bad dykes", "bad faggots" etc. The idea that those from an ethnic or sexual minority must plug into some SJW hivemind is itself prejudiced thinking. There is no political ideology that goes with being tran.s or homosexual.
 
You know, we have a very negative image of Hayden not only because all we see of him is his online persona- i.e. arrogant, belligerent, unfunny and tasteless- but also because we've been doing a fair bit of digging on him.
And when you take a look at his career, there's some pretty sketchy shit coming up. For one thing, he keeps starting companies that then get suspended by the Franchise Tax board for, well, not paying taxes. When he started the Gen Zed production company, he used someone else's name, presumably because his previous two ventures(in hiw own name) got suspended.

Another thing is that it's not the first time he asks people to work for deferred pay on shows that either see very few episodes or never see the light of day. He talks big about networks, contracts, what-have-you, gets people to do the work for him, then the show never amounts to anything but a few youtube videos, if that.
One such example is the Cabonauts from 2009. He got some pretty big names to work on it, boasted about how deferred pay was such a good business model because he was going to turn the show into this big hit in collaboration with Dailymotion. And then nothing at all was filmed beyond the pilot. Some people even called him out on this- all back in '09, mind you.

And he's been known to use sock accounts to give himself glowing reviews (and even a wiki article!), try and get his friends to shout down his critics, buying fake followers and using alt accounts to bolster his own image on social media, putting out merch for shows that don't exist...
Not to mention the fact that his "humour" is often incredibly offensive even though he touts himself out as a progressive, which makes him look like a giant hypocritical opportunist.
His show is blatantly attempting to pander to a certain audience, and yet he has no idea at all how to please said audience. It's obvious he thought the LGBT crowd would be easy money. His attempts at making quick cash out of low-effort pandering are so half-arsed and obvious it's funny.

Put all this together and you have global picture of a complete failure of a comedian who comes accross as a cynical, money-grubbing arsehole. So you see, it's not really his politics- more like the fact that he is both criminally unfunny and cripplingly incompetent, and shouts it out to the heavens.

On a side note- @JulieRei ,If you think Gen Zed gets attacked because of its politics, how do you explain that people on Tumblr- I.E part of the audience the show was trying to cater to- completely rejected and mocked it? Take a look at the tag and you'll see criticisms are coming from all sides, not just from transphobes or reactionaries.

From my understanding there's a different side and interpretation to a lot of what you're bringing up here, but again I'm not Hayden and I'm not here to defend or justify any of his actions. If he wants to address them, he can fight his own battle.

As for the second part of your question, as I've said before I did have issues with the focus of the marketing. In my mind it didn't really display how I personally imagined describing the show we recorded. I honestly think the show itself in a finalized form would have a much different reaction.

Yeah, I have no idea who this random shim you're talking about is. Perhaps if you didn't address us as a hivemind? As I said before, you've met exactly one kiwi and liked her. Maybe we're not gonna fit into this theoretical mold you put forward?
Have you checked our the Sluthate threads yet like we talked about, or are we ignoring things that don't fit the narrative here? Not a judgement, just curious.

I took a look at the Manosphere tag in specific and it didn't seem as in depth as the threads you've created for more left leaning people. As for Kitlen, I met her in person without the veil of anonymity. I'm sure most of you would be pleasant to be around in person, you merely speak this way because here you can hide behind a screen name and an avatar.
 
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