Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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When you're writing a story, have somebody look it over and when they say "no, this is shit, here's why, try again and this time do this", actually listen to what they're saying and at least act like you're acknowledging the feedback. A lesson Viv repeatedly fails at over and over again (again, I refer you to the Zoophobia comic, and how its reboot is STILL in development hell).

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I'm still not clear on what was so bad about the comic Zoophobia. It just seemed like exactly what you would expect from a Hot Topic 20-something in art school in the 2000s. I admit I haven't seen but three pages of it, but it seemed like it was a bunch of personal illustration challenges strung together with a contrived premise. I don't get the passion for its badness.
 
I'm still not clear on what was so bad about the comic Zoophobia. It just seemed like exactly what you would expect from a Hot Topic 20-something in art school in the 2000s. I admit I haven't seen but three pages of it, but it seemed like it was a bunch of personal illustration challenges strung together with a contrived premise. I don't get the passion for its badness.
The "passion" for its badness (or at least, the reason for my passion for its badness) is because Vivienne (perhaps unintentionally) hit upon the germ of a great idea for her story, and then proceeded to do fuck all with it. More info here:
TL;DR - Viv made ZP a convoluted and character filled mess instead of what should've been a focused main character-driven story.

Zoophobia the webcomic was honestly one of the biggest wastes of potential I've ever seen in any piece of fiction. It was such a shame too because the intro, here to here, in terms of setting up a world and getting you invested in it, is honestly pretty brilliant - and yes I still stand by that. It sets up the main concept excellently, introduces a bunch of characters to you that you'd want to know more about, and has a pretty good balance of comedy (Cameron reacting to the world around her), mystery (the woman with the apple) and drama ("So I'm stuck here?"/the bit towards the end with Zechariah comforting Cameron).

So imagine, you're an impressionable teen and you're blown away by said introduction. You're hooked, and can't wait to see more of the adventures of this zoophobic counselor in the crazy world of animals. What's the next story arc gonna be?!

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A high school couple.....with the male forgetting their....anniversary? First of all, this is not how teenagers work. Secondly, weren't we just following Cameron a second ago? It is here where the main problem of ZP starts to rear its ugly head: a complete and utter lack of focus.

One minute, OK, we're following Cameron again, good. Next minute we're with the kangaroo again. Huh? Next minute we're with the demon kid (whose name is Damien, real original there Viv), and he has a robot...companion? Who can transform or some shit?
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And finally, we're back to Cameron again. It’s frustrating that ZP hits on a genuinely interesting story in Cameron, but doesn’t seem committed to it, instead plopping us in with a bunch of characters with no proper introduction and no reason to care about them (again, doubly frustrating considering Chapter 1 got it so right). Somebody could take the key components of Zoophobia and make a genuinely good story without having to discard many of them. It needed better pacing. It needed to better understand the story it was telling and be more aware of where it needed to go. There is a decent comic buried here, but it occupies about 25% of its run. I’d never, ever recommend it to another human being, but if you were forced to read it you’d likely find bits to enjoy.

Somewhere, in another universe, Cameron is the main character in a great story about overcoming your fears, meeting new people, and finding your place in the world. Maybe it was the project that put Vivienne on the map, maybe it wasn't. If you do end up reading Zoophobia at some point — maybe because you're interested in Viv's past work — pay attention to the bits involving Cameron. See her interactions with the people around her. Her dialogue. There’s a character there that Vivienne Medrano brought to life in spite of the script, in spite of the comic, in spite of anything going on around her. Pay attention to Cameron. Because she's exactly where the real ZP's buried.

A kangaroo complains that a purple and orange whatever-the-fuck forgot their high school anniversary while a pink demon robot nanny dukes it out with a bunch of police officers because her demon brat got in trouble. That's the Zoophobia we got.

A young, neurotic woman slowly but surely overcomes her fears while meeting all sorts of exotic, memorable characters and uncovering the mystery of the world she unwittingly finds herself in. That's the Zoophobia that we should've got instead.
TL;DR: If you're going to name your comic after the condition that your main fucking character has, maybe have it focus on the main fucking character? Just a thought.
 
I admit I haven't seen but three pages of it, but it seemed like it was a bunch of personal illustration challenges strung together with a contrived premise. I don't get the passion for its badness.
Same. I think it went off the rails but this isn't a personal criticism. The actual animated product was pretty good. I like that the final product for Hazbin/Helluva wasn't to go completely furry, even though the origins of both series are pretty obvious. The graphic design in H/H is a lot better, though, and while somewhat furry, isn't just the stereotypical shit.

I suppose at worst it will give e621 more bait.
 
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Former Co-Writer for the Hazbin Pilot, Dave Capdevielle, throws shade at Viv and has all mentions of Hazbin removed from his bio. Viv is also currently either blocked or unfollowed him.

What the fuck did she say or do? Seemed like a nice guy.
Sucks that I can’t archive worth a shit
Tweet has since been deleted entirely
Not sure what that implies, but it’s something
 
After catching up with the comments. I think the only thing we can do is wait and see what happens next. We better keep our eyes peeled if anything goes down in the future.
If there's no content coming, I'll settle for the drama. Looking at all these sick freaks going for the jugular has some entertainment value.
 
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