Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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I wouldn’t count on it; AUs are usually only liked because they’re super indulgent rather than actually being good.

I’m counting the days for this to blow up in Viv’s face. It’s gotten to the point that reboots are the only thing keeping Western animation alive.

Exhibit fucking A

You’re a wee bit autistic

Before you get to mentally rebooting anything, Viv actually addressed this. See Hell being what it is, the denizens don’t give respect to anyone, even royalty. In Lucifer’s case, any respect given to him is out of fear. Since Charlie is more about making friends than striking fear, leading to people to walk over her.
Hence Lucifer’s words, “You don’t take shit from other demons.”
It's such a Weird thing for me, because i can't see a society of sorts being lead like this??
I can't wrap my head around it for some reason- it feels wrong/ half assed.
Maybe if a pecking order or hierarchy had been better established i would have been able to buy into Charlie simultaneously having her parents support ( seemigly anyhow, the theory of her being partially disowned or using her own funds to back the hotel still stands-) and being a princess of hell and being given no respect on a surface level; had a pecking order been establish better I think i would have felt a bit less " Wtf?"


And on the self indulgent part, at least i hope that the fanservicy garbage would be at least entertaining lol
 
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I feel personally is kindaaa bullshit but if they played up Charlie as being basically a thrust fund baby with nothing on her actual name i could see this being...possible?
Charlie is basically a lolcow even to her own family.
Tbh I'd make alastor's human name Aleister as a reference to the etymology.
Pretty sure it already is. It would be crude to just make it that. It's also the a fairly obscure nickname for Zeus, in his role as avenger of evil deeds (obscure enough the Hazbin Hotel Alastor shows up first on Google).
Since Charlie is more about making friends than striking fear, leading to people to walk over her.
Also Katie Killjoy basically exists to be a complete bitch. That's her thing. And Angel Dust is Angel Dust.
 
Lucifer, yes, but not so much Lilith. Charlie calling and confiding in her (“I could really use some advice, Mom”) implies she at least supports Charlie and doesn't ridicule her idea. Lilith is Hell's most famous singer and currently on tour, so she isn't not responding to Charlie's calls out of negligence, she's busy. Lucifer is the one who criticized her. His silhouette looming over her in the cardboard cutout sequence while she sings “why have I always been a failure” kinda speaks for itself.
That opening song could've been better visually. It showed a human proportioned girl and didn't even catch the fact that it was supposed to be about Charlie.

I don't remember this very well. I skipped the musical scenes a lot after the first watch because I hate them.
I agree. I could barely get through Zoophobia with all the singing and music numbers.....

I think CreepshowArt mentioned that she liked HH and musicals but even she said to NEVER have a song in the beginning of your show. Because if it's not a popular song that's familiar to a wide audience, people aren't going to care about it. That's why Glee was successful because they covered a shit ton of popular songs before making their own.

You’re a wee bit autistic
Nice rebuttal.
 
I don't remember this very well. I skipped the musical scenes a lot after the first watch because I hate them. It's why The Simpsons comes off as boring and dated when they do them, although that has to do with the culture I was raised in too probably.
Ngl the shitty coloring of the pilot and weird pacing probably made it hard for me to keep up with this details lol

That opening song could've been better visually. It showed a human proportioned girl and didn't even catch the fact that it was supposed to be about Charlie.


I agree. I could barely get through Zoophobia with all the singing and music numbers.....

I think CreepshowArt mentioned that she liked HH and musicals but even she said to NEVER have a song in the beginning of your show. Because if it's not a popular song that's familiar to a wide audience, people aren't going to care about it. That's why Glee was successful because they covered a shit ton of popular songs before making their own.


Nice rebuttal.
Well that rule might not apply to actual musicals-
The opening song from beauty and the beast for example establishes a shit ton about world and characters.

Hazbin just done a piss poor job because Vizie's music tastes aren't really it not to sound super snobbish lol
 
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Well that rule might not apply to actual musicals-
The opening song from beauty and the beast for example establishes a shit ton about world and characters.

Hazbin just done a piss poor job because Vizie's music tastes aren't really it not to sound super snobbish lol
Very true! But that opening was actually animated in color and not in shadows. Viv should've animated the beginning song sequence so it wasn't too ambiguous.

Oh you're not sounding snobbish. Her "I'm a musical/theatre kid" flex doesn't excuse boring/forgettable music sequences.
 
Ngl the shitty coloring of the pilot and weird pacing probably made it hard for me to keep up with this details lol​
Oh I liked the coloring. It's pretty much my favorite part of it, that she picked a color palette and stuck to it. Mostly reds, yellows and blacks, aimed at regular hell and its violent citizens, with pink and white for the more sexual types and it's sleazier underworld.​
The opening song from beauty and the beast for example establishes a shit ton about world and characters.
Hazbin just done a piss poor job because Vizie's music tastes aren't really it not to sound super snobbish lol​
Eh... They're acceptable. But musicals I think are the lowest form of entertainment and comedy in particular. It instantly degrades any work they're in, though I see why Vivzie would want to use the talents of the people she chose. I still say that they're pretty crappy. I wish they do something cool with Alastor and the furby organ. Part of me hopes they turn it into something with more rock to stand out, but that's just my bias for rock music in general.​
Huh makes me wonder if she secretly still admires him or at the very least his style...or is jealous of him. After all say what you want about the man but when all is said and done he's still accomplished far more over the last almost 30 years than she has in three.​
And he lost it in three pretty much as well. That's not to mention that this is the first time Vivzie, as far as I know, has really broken into the animation world.
I don't think she's necessarily a thoughtless moron unlike a lot of people online, even if I'm probably giving her too much credit, and she probably thinks "I can despise the guy, but his art-style is something I could draw inspiration from". It's very probable she didn't do it on purpose though, I cannot see the similarity at all.​
 
Very true! But that opening was actually animated in color and not in shadows. Viv should've animated the beginning song sequence so it wasn't too ambiguous.

Oh you're not sounding snobbish. Her "I'm a musical/theatre kid" flex doesn't excuse boring/forgettable music sequences.
Bruh
What kind of Self admited Theater kid unironically stanned kesha in her bimbo era and Meghan trainer??

At least enough to make musical videos for em?
Not to say i don't like pop; It just not what i would pridefully boast about lol

Oh I liked the coloring. It's pretty much my favorite part of it, that she picked a color palette and stuck to it. Mostly reds, yellows and blacks, aimed at regular hell and its violent citizens, with pink and white for the more sexual types and it's sleazier underworld.

Eh... They're acceptable. But musicals I think are the lowest form of entertainment and comedy in particular. It instantly degrades any work they're in, though I see why Vivzie would want to use the talents of the people she chose. I still say that they're pretty crappy. I wish they do something cool with Alastor and the furby organ. Part of me hopes they turn it into something with more rock to stand out, but that's just my bias for rock music in general.

And he lost it in three pretty much as well. That's not to mention that this is the first time Vivzie, as far as I know, has really broken into the animation world.
I don't think she's necessarily a thoughtless moron unlike a lot of people online, even if I'm probably giving her too much credit, and she probably thinks "I can despise the guy, but his art-style is something I could draw inspiration from". It's very probable she didn't do it on purpose though, I cannot see the similarity at all.​
I'm more mixed on the coloring of the pilot; it got better in Helluva boss's first ep since for once i was able to actually focus on what was happening on screen rather then having to rewind at times lolol.

Also as a self admited lover of music/ musicals i say they can highlight a experience and be wonderful pieces of medium.

But they also can kinda suck ( though sometimes there a guilty pleasure like mamma mia)
 
Nice rebuttal.
Wasn’t trying to rebute you, just pointing it out.
You quite frankly annoy me.
Well that rule might not apply to actual musicals-
The opening song from beauty and the beast for example establishes a shit ton about world and characters.

Hazbin just done a piss poor job because Vizie's music tastes aren't really it not to sound super snobbish lol
Vivzie really is just a dumb person all around. The fact that she got a show up and running is a miracle in and of itself.
 
Wasn’t trying to rebute you, just pointing it out.
You quite frankly annoy me.

Vivzie really is just a dumb person all around. The fact that she got a show up and running is a miracle in and of itself.
Alas it's a pity someone like her got so far- it do me making me bitter yet hopeful at the same time lol
 
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Alas it's a pity someone like her got so far- it do me making me bitter yet hopeful at the same time lol
It really is a case of undeserved success; she did practically nothing to earn this much success yet here she is. It’s unbelievable.
I’m sure whatever you can think of, it’s miles better than Hazbin or Helluva.
 
It really is a case of undeserved success; she did practically nothing to earn this much success yet here she is. It’s unbelievable.
I’m sure whatever you can think of, it’s miles better than Hazbin or Helluva.
You gave this aspiring novelist / writer fucko some hope :"( , thank you.

But i always sensed Vizie got far by appealing to a niche?
I don't see anyone above the age of 22 liking her show. I would have like it more as a younger gal because i remenber liking some of her old art stuff at that age and now that I'm of age...
I like her style somewhat but it's not my fav any longer
 
Wasn’t trying to rebute you, just pointing it out.
You quite frankly annoy me.
Right back at ya.

You do know you can ignore people you don't enjoy.

But i always sensed Vizie got far by appealing to a niche?
I don't see anyone above the age of 22 liking her show. I would have like it more as a younger gal because i remenber liking some of her old art stuff at that age and now that I'm of age...
I like her style somewhat but it's not my fav any longer
I've been rattling this theory in my head. I think someone at A24 liked how she handled the project rather than the product itself. As in they liked her directing skills and finishing a project.
It really seems like a new thing A24 is trying out.
 
I've been rattling this theory in my head. I think someone at A24 liked how she handled the project rather than the product itself. As in they liked her directing skills and finishing a project.
It really seems like a new thing A24 is trying out.
Do you think Vivienne might be booted off the show?

It's the only way i can see this having the potential to not disappoint
( Yes i like it mostly cause of potential, fan redesigns and some fan content in general- it's kinda bizarre but not the first time it had happen to me personally)
 
You gave this aspiring novelist / writer fucko some hope :"( , thank you.

But i always sensed Vizie got far by appealing to a niche?
I don't see anyone above the age of 22 liking her show. I would have like it more as a younger gal because i remenber liking some of her old art stuff at that age and now that I'm of age...
I like her style somewhat but it's not my fav any longer
Hey, losers like these were made to give hope to the people of the world.
Case in point, Viv seemed to have gathered up clout from pandering to the sparkles of crowd for years. Nothing from any actual hard work or dedication.

Right back at ya.

You do know you can ignore people you don't enjoy.
“No u.”
Someone seems a little testy.
I've been rattling this theory in my head. I think someone at A24 liked how she handled the project rather than the product itself. As in they liked her directing skills and finishing a project.
It really seems like a new thing A24 is trying out.
Do you think Vivienne might be booted off the show?

It's the only way i can see this having the potential to not disappoint
( Yes i like it mostly cause of potential, fan redesigns and some fan content in general- it's kinda bizarre but not the first time it had happen to me personally)
I think I heard A24 already dropped the show. Supposedly it wasn’t what they were looking for and they wanted something better. Which kind of proves they wanted to experiment and had no real hope for the show.
HH kind of prove the age old theory; no matter what you can come up with, fans will outdo you in every way.
 
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Hey, losers like these were made to give hope to the people of the world.
Case in point, Viv seemed to have gathered up clout from pandering to the sparkles of crowd for years. Nothing from any actual hard work or dedication.


“No u.”
Someone seems a little testy.


I think I heard A24 already dropped the show. Supposedly it wasn’t what they were looking for and they wanted something better. Which kind of proves they wanted to experiment and had no real hope for the show.
HH kind of prove the age old theory; no matter what you can come up with, fans will outdo you in every way.
Wait A24 dropped Hazbin??
That's something alright-
But it also proves the age old theory of a lot of crap being popular because it appeals to the lowest denominator...
Case in point, Wattpad's top 10 samey shit novels.
( I had to throw in Some Wattpad salt i had to-)

I wonder if anything else will pick up on Hazbin?

I just wanna have more stuff to be salty at :"(
 
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Wait A24 dropped Hazbin??
That's something alright-
But it also proves the age old theory of a lot of crap being popular because it appeals to the lowest denominator...
Case in point, Wattpad's top 10 samey shit novels.
( I had to throw in Some Wattpad salt i had to-)

I wonder if anything else will pick up on Hazbin?

I just wanna have more stuff to be salty at :"(
Well that’s just something I heard. But it wouldn’t be that out of left field if the other rumors I’ve heard are true.
A lot of problems with turn of the century entertainment that it tries to hard to appeal to the lowest common denominator rather than actually try.
 
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Vivzie really is just a dumb person all around. The fact that she got a show up and running is a miracle in and of itself.
The fact you were even born is an extremely unlikely event, but probably more the opposite of a miracle than a miracle.
I think CreepshowArt mentioned that she liked HH and musicals but even she said to NEVER have a song in the beginning of your show. Because if it's not a popular song that's familiar to a wide audience, people aren't going to care about it. That's why Glee was successful because they covered a shit ton of popular songs before making their own.
Maybe Vivz is appealing to a more culturally literate audience. The opening song is not exactly unknown.
 
I think I heard A24 already dropped the show. Supposedly it wasn’t what they were looking for and they wanted something better. Which kind of proves they wanted to experiment and had no real hope for the show.
HH kind of prove the age old theory; no matter what you can come up with, fans will outdo you in every way.
Do you have a source? I haven't heard anything like this.
 
Well that’s just something I heard. But it wouldn’t be that out of left field if the other rumors I’ve heard are true.
A lot of problems with turn of the century entertainment that it tries to hard to appeal to the lowest common denominator rather than actually try.
Well i will keep my eyes peeled for that- i hope not even if probably not for the right reasons.

We at least still have HB
 
Exhibit fucking A
TL;DR - Viv made ZP a convoluted and character filled mess instead of what should've been a focused main character-driven story.

Zoophobia the webcomic was honestly one of the biggest wastes of potential I've ever seen in any piece of fiction. It was such a shame too because the intro, here to here, in terms of setting up a world and getting you invested in it, is honestly pretty brilliant - and yes I still stand by that. It sets up the main concept excellently, introduces a bunch of characters to you that you'd want to know more about, and has a pretty good balance of comedy (Cameron reacting to the world around her), mystery (the woman with the apple) and drama ("So I'm stuck here?"/the bit towards the end with Zechariah comforting Cameron).

So imagine, you're an impressionable teen and you're blown away by said introduction. You're hooked, and can't wait to see more of the adventures of this zoophobic counselor in the crazy world of animals. What's the next story arc gonna be?!

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A high school couple.....with the male forgetting their....anniversary? First of all, this is not how teenagers work. Secondly, weren't we just following Cameron a second ago? It is here where the main problem of ZP starts to rear its ugly head: a complete and utter lack of focus.

One minute, OK, we're following Cameron again, good. Next minute we're with the kangaroo again. Huh? Next minute we're with the demon kid (whose name is Damien, real original there Viv), and he has a robot...companion? Who can transform or some shit?
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And finally, we're back to Cameron again. It’s frustrating that ZP hits on a genuinely interesting story in Cameron, but doesn’t seem committed to it, instead plopping us in with a bunch of characters with no proper introduction and no reason to care about them (again, doubly frustrating considering Chapter 1 got it so right). Somebody could take the key components of Zoophobia and make a genuinely good story without having to discard many of them. It needed better pacing. It needed to better understand the story it was telling and be more aware of where it needed to go. There is a decent comic buried here, but it occupies about 25% of its run. I’d never, ever recommend it to another human being, but if you were forced to read it you’d likely find bits to enjoy.

Somewhere, in another universe, Cameron is the main character in a great story about overcoming your fears, meeting new people, and finding your place in the world. Maybe it was the project that put Vivienne on the map, maybe it wasn't. If you do end up reading Zoophobia at some point — maybe because you're interested in Viv's past work — pay attention to the bits involving Cameron. See her interactions with the people around her. Her dialogue. There’s a character there that Vivienne Medrano brought to life in spite of the script, in spite of the comic, in spite of anything going on around her. Pay attention to Cameron. Because she's exactly where the real ZP's buried.

A kangaroo complains that a purple and orange whatever-the-fuck forgot their high school anniversary while a pink demon robot nanny dukes it out with a bunch of police officers because her demon brat got in trouble. That's the Zoophobia we got.

A young, neurotic woman slowly but surely overcomes her fears while meeting all sorts of exotic, memorable characters and uncovering the mystery of the world she unwittingly finds herself in. That's the Zoophobia that we should've got instead.

Sorry for the sperg-out, I've been holding this in for 4 years......@Private Pyle, you have permission to blast me with ALL the puzzle pieces.

Bruh
What kind of Self admited Theater kid unironically stanned kesha in her bimbo era and Meghan trainer??

At least enough to make musical videos for em?
Not to say i don't like pop; It just not what i would pridefully boast about lol
She's the epitome of white college-educated prima donna. She just so happens to be talented in animation.
 
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