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Again, I’ll point out it’s a bit silly to rag on Vizzie for “pushing a gay couple” when the show also has Mocie and Millie, who managed to have an entire season without any of they typical “wife looks down on her husband who is nothing without her and barely love each other” trope you typically see in animated sitcoms and such.
 
One thing I read about which I found interesting is that Brandon Rodgers has helped Viv write all the episodes so far except for the last episode in season 1, which was another episode I didn't particularly enjoy. It did say on Wikipedia that he did help write season's 2 episode with a third person in the mix, but it's Wikipedia so it's not like it's a valid source. I just wanted to look the other episodes up cause I heard that he actually didn't write the episode which if it's true...actually explains a lot now.
Also I've know people have said Viv's female characters have always been lacking compared to her male characters. Which I wonder if that's why we haven't gotten a lot of focus on Millie and Loona. You know...the other two main characters besides Blitzo and Moxxie.
 
The only thing that really bothered me is that this seemed more like the third or fourth episode of a season. Why the season premier is a character study is fucking weird, and I think that's part of the reason why people feel it's a bit off
It was probably a mistake to have it follow up right after the finale ended off, which was supposed to get it's own conclusion in an....OVA I guess you could call it? And focusing primarily on Stolas' angst, probably should have been saved for Episode 2. If it had to be an character study episode, it probably would have been more investing to start it out with Blitzo trying to distract himself from what happened which would start out the series with who is technically the main character, and tie in with how the finale ended with him.
It would have been more comedic basing it around Blitz which fits more with HB, instead of it being some soap opera drama that Stolas centric episodes seem to be, which would be more of a hit after being reintroduced to the characters.
One thing I read about which I found interesting is that Brandon Rodgers has helped Viv write all the episodes so far except for the last episode in season 1, which was another episode I didn't particularly enjoy. It did say on Wikipedia that he did help write season's 2 episode with a third person in the mix, but it's Wikipedia so it's not like it's a valid source. I just wanted to look the other episodes up cause I heard that he actually didn't write the episode which if it's true...actually explains a lot now.
Also I've know people have said Viv's female characters have always been lacking compared to her male characters. Which I wonder if that's why we haven't gotten a lot of focus on Millie and Loona. You know...the other two main characters besides Blitzo and Moxxie.
Brandon Rogers is great at making dislikable characters who are also enjoyable, the writing probably greatly benefits from having him on the team. Also there's teasers of Loona in some of the released reel, I wonder if that's just to get people's attention because furries love her, or if she's actually going to have a moment.
But now that you mention it, a lot of the female characters are kind of one note compared to the rest. Even Stolas who is technically(?) a side character has had more characterization than all of the other women, and even more screentime at that. Maybe this season they'll turn the girls into more than "Sweet country wife" and "teen anger" but I don't know if I'll hold my breath.



I'm a bit late to this, but I was just realizing that this episode is kind of a retcon. At the end of the finale it's implied that Stella finally left Stolas with Octavia and they were just now in the process of divorce as all other appearances of her had them still living together and with the Striker ending, it seemed like they were still a couple. But the Season 2 Premier has Stolas divorcing her, a subject which would have came up in Episode 2.
He also is very defiant which might have been a "heat-of-the-moment" thing, but throughout the series we see that he just tunes her out so it doesn't exactly match up with his character portrayal either.
Or maybe I'm tripping and overthinkin, I dunno
 
Again, I’ll point out it’s a bit silly to rag on Vizzie for “pushing a gay couple” when the show also has Mocie and Millie, who managed to have an entire season without any of they typical “wife looks down on her husband who is nothing without her and barely love each other” trope you typically see in animated sitcoms and such.
There's people just here for the humor (and feel annoyed with the more serious parts), people who want a deep show (whether these fans are satisfied or not is up to the individual), and people who want the show to back up their political/social beliefs (hence fans who only think about le buttsecks shipping and other fans who think they're gonna catch cootiecanceraids if Blitzo and Stolas fix their shit and get together for real).

As it is, the show makes me giggle like a happy tard, so I'm pretty good. Moxxie and Millie are one of the most positive portrayals of a heterosexual couple I've seen in a long time, Blitzo and Stolas are frustrating but sympathetic, and Stella needs to either get a life or meet a hilarious end of some sort.
 
I had a bit of a realization about the new episode. It includes the "sorry I fucked your husband" scene from a different angle. This scene came from the Pilot, which is disputed as not being canon due to it being a pilot. Yet the flashback from the pilot is included in the main series, making it canon. This by extension implies that Loona does have syphilis canon-wise and that it wasn't a throwaway line for the pilot.
Syphilis is easily curable with penicillin treatments, and the disease goes away fully. The damage it did from eating away at her brain could explain her unchecked aggression, there could be no penicillin in Hell, but who knows? Maybe it was just a throwaway line for a gag, and Vivzie didn't think about it beyond "Lol, lmao." or, given how she acknowledged the furries drawing  COPIOUS amounts of porn, was another deterrent against that sort of thing.
 
Brandon Rogers is great at making dislikable characters who are also enjoyable, the writing probably greatly benefits from having him on the team.
That's probably why I didn't enjoy Stella that much in this episode. It's less about her being a bitch, and more the fact she was an unfunny bitch. I still think back to when she's screaming on the phone, calling a hit man on her husband....while he's sitting across the table eating dinner. His reaction was also priceless.
Now I'm just thinking about all the extreme ways she tries to get Stolas' attention, and he's just completely oblivious to it all.
I'm a bit late to this, but I was just realizing that this episode is kind of a retcon. At the end of the finale it's implied that Stella finally left Stolas with Octavia and they were just now in the process of divorce as all other appearances of her had them still living together and with the Striker ending, it seemed like they were still a couple. But the Season 2 Premier has Stolas divorcing her, a subject which would have came up in Episode 2.
He also is very defiant which might have been a "heat-of-the-moment" thing, but throughout the series we see that he just tunes her out so it doesn't exactly match up with his character portrayal either.
Or maybe I'm tripping and overthinkin, I dunno
They retconned quite a few things in this episode. Nothing too noticeable at first, unless you look really indepth.
 
I'm a bit late to this, but I was just realizing that this episode is kind of a retcon. At the end of the finale it's implied that Stella finally left Stolas with Octavia and they were just now in the process of divorce as all other appearances of her had them still living together and with the Striker ending, it seemed like they were still a couple. But the Season 2 Premier has Stolas divorcing her, a subject which would have came up in Episode 2.
He also is very defiant which might have been a "heat-of-the-moment" thing, but throughout the series we see that he just tunes her out so it doesn't exactly match up with his character portrayal either.
Or maybe I'm tripping and overthinkin, I dunno
Stolas said Octavia was “at her mothers” and in this recent episode, he said that she leaves on the weekends but still hangs around during the week(to fuck with him, according to her). And I’m assuming the “heat of the moment” thing was him finally reaching the breaking point with everything going on.
 
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Stolas said Octavia was “at her mothers” and in this recent episode, he said that she leaves on the weekends but still hangs around during the week(to fuck with him, according to her). And I’m assuming the “heat of the moment” thing was him finally reaching the breaking point with everything going on.
I never really got that from her. Like, yeah, I know she literally said she likes to torment him, but from what it looked like, I never got that impression. Granted it is only two scenes, but they never came off as someone trying to torture another person. It came off as someone who was just downright angry and disgusted, not even wanting to be in the same room as them, let alone the same house. And it's not like it affected him much anyway.
 
I never really got that from her. Like, yeah, I know she literally said she likes to torment him, but from what it looked like, I never got that impression. Granted it is only two scenes, but they never came off as someone trying to torture another person. It came off as someone who was just downright angry and disgusted, not even wanting to be in the same room as them, let alone the same house. And it's not like it affected him much anyway.
I’m pretty sure her screaming about “sleeping with an IMP” was her idea of tormenting him, since she’s very much about being high class and looking down on people. Problem is, Stolas doesn’t have the same outlook, so he’s probably just more bored by it than anything. She’s trying to rub the fact that he went “below his station” and is going to “lose his rank” while Stolas is just at the point of “bitch, why are you still here?”

Aside from his Grimoire duties, I don’t think Stolas cares too much about demon hierarchy.
 
Eh, maybe I'm not enough of an intellectual but uppity Stella being a massive cunt and slinging insults like gutter trash cracked me up, along with Paimon and then drunk Stolas being such a needy slut while Blitzo just wanted the damn book. Also my basic bitch self thought the kid scenes were cute

Fuck Blitzo's dad though. No wonder he's so fucked up.

The only thing that really bothered me is that this seemed more like the third or fourth episode of a season. Why the season premier is a character study is fucking weird, and I think that's part of the reason why people feel it's a bit off
I never asked for these feels.
 
That's probably why I didn't enjoy Stella that much in this episode. It's less about her being a bitch, and more the fact she was an unfunny bitch. I still think back to when she's screaming on the phone, calling a hit man on her husband....while he's sitting across the table eating dinner. His reaction was also priceless.
He's literally so oblivious she can't even get his attention by trying to fucking murder him. While literally sitting at the same table. I don't understand why this makes her completely unsympathetic. Wouldn't you hate this prick too?

Look at this from Stella's perspective. She has absolutely no choice about this bullshit. She gets married off against her will to a fucking fag who prefers an imp to her. Her sole purpose is not even to give birth to an heir but a precautionary insurance sort of heir, just to avoid succession problems in whatever fucked up royal succession rule there is in Hell.

And then her husband humiliates her in public repeatedly. And on top of that even her own daughter seems to like him more than her.

Let's just say people have killed for much less than this.

Let's call this my sympathy for Stella post because my general attitude is fuck this bitch, but seriously, she has reasons for being the bitch she is.
 
I finally watched the episode and it was okay. Honestly Stella is a pretty decent character, and I find Stolas' dad pretty funny. But I do hope the entire season isn't it just romantic drama, and became more comedic in nature. I'm fine with drama in comedy shows but I hope it doesn't overtake the whole thing.
 
He's literally so oblivious she can't even get his attention by trying to fucking murder him. While literally sitting at the same table. I don't understand why this makes her completely unsympathetic. Wouldn't you hate this prick too?

Look at this from Stella's perspective. She has absolutely no choice about this bullshit. She gets married off against her will to a fucking fag who prefers an imp to her. Her sole purpose is not even to give birth to an heir but a precautionary insurance sort of heir, just to avoid succession problems in whatever fucked up royal succession rule there is in Hell.

And then her husband humiliates her in public repeatedly. And on top of that even her own daughter seems to like him more than her.

Let's just say people have killed for much less than this.

Let's call this my sympathy for Stella post because my general attitude is fuck this bitch, but seriously, she has reasons for being the bitch she is.
Now I just imagine them having sex for the first time and afterward Stolas asks "So how was it?" Stella, obviously unsatisfied, and wanting Stolas to know, but without hurting his feelings, says "It was...something." Stolas nods, with a stupid smile. "Can't wait to see the egg tomorrow. Well, good night dear." As he goes to sleep, we see Stella with this blank expression on her face, absolutely stunned, as she realizes what she's going to have to deal with for the rest of her life.
 
I feel kind of bad to keep bringing up Stolas' and Stella's relationship but I just realized something...Stella went to Loo Loo Land before. If we are to considered she has been this bad the entire time, why would she even go to a place like that? Considering her opinion on imps, there's no way in hell (lol) she would go to a place that was such beneath her. I'm sure it wasn't some kind of PR stunt as I don't think the royalty really cares about such things. She went there...willingly with her family.
 
I feel kind of bad to keep bringing up Stolas' and Stella's relationship but I just realized something...Stella went to Loo Loo Land before. If we are to considered she has been this bad the entire time, why would she even go to a place like that? Considering her opinion on imps, there's no way in hell (lol) she would go to a place that was such beneath her. I'm sure it wasn't some kind of PR stunt as I don't think the royalty really cares about such things. She went there...willingly with her family.
Could be that Stella actually has some affection for Octavia, and that's why she tolerated it. Assuming she doesn't just see her daughter as an heir to the throne, anyway. We've yet to see them interact so it's the best guess I can come up with.

Then again, given how she groans for Stolas to get up instead of her when Octavia is calling for both of them in the flashback, it's hard to say.
 
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Could be that Stella actually has some affection for Octavia, and that's why she tolerated it. Assuming she doesn't just see her daughter as an heir to the throne, anyway. We've yet to see them interact so it's the best guess I can come up with.
That would be an interesting take on it and reflect the reality that while some parents despise each other, they really do love their children. Is that how this story will go? Who knows at this point.
 
Its explicitly stated that Stella takes Octavia away for weekends. I would at least suspect she holds some fondness for Octavia. But its just as possible, if we're going down maximum bitch Stella territory, that her opinion of her daughter may be similar to Paimon's opinion on (child) Stolas.

For what little its worth, we've not seen Octavia take sides, as a child she equally called out to Stolas and Stella when she had a nightmare, and as a teenager she seems to not blame one particular parent.

Next episode will likely tell more.
 
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