Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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I can't be the only that thinks that it's funny that once than Blitzo the drama queen disappears from the screen the show goes back to being the killer imps show. Pretty meh to me really, the only real chuckle I got was at the end after seeing Moxxie get shit on as always.

By the way, is the finale of season 1 even worth seeing? I saw that it was another fucking prom episode with Kesha as a sparkledog and Loona as the focus, not a good signal and since season 2 so far has proven that it doesn't affect in anything it just feels like a waste of time.
 
Decent episode, but since when is Moxxie such an attention whore? It just doesn't fit at all with his previous behavior.
With the first half of the episode, I feared it would be focused on Moxxie proving himself (again!) along with revealing he never popular at high school or some shit. But this episode finally changed things up by having it be about Millie even though it retconned things about her.
 
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what a bloated episode, so much fat for just one gram of substance.

first Moxxie wanted to do the perfect job but decided to go with a disguise plan instead of his specialty: firearms, the only weapon he has is a knife. WTF

He should have brought the sniper he has, the mission would be over in the first few seconds and I know it was for a joke, but that and establishing that they spent days undercover knowing who the target was and couldn't finish the job is contrive as fuck just to force the conflict between M&M and aligning with the Blitz plot.

I'm sorry but what was this conflict? Moxxie wanted to finish the job perfectly, ends up immediately dismissing the solution and losing focus to get the attention of children in the middle of the job, gets jealous when Millie does what he wanted to do and gets angry when she doesn't focus on the job when he is the incompetent one for not finishing the job with days knowing who and where the culprit is, he doesn't need Millie for that. Also why is Milli more talented in music than Moxxie? again joke i know, but one of the few established things are the talents of each one and they are discarded just to continue this plot.

Millie outbrust is bullshit, "it matters how I feel about myself" this came out of nowhere when was she established with confidence issues? "and for once I feel important" seriously? Moxxie sang you a love song in a place that was hostile to affection in front of the Prince of Lust and you didn't feel important at that moment or any other moment in that relationship? it sounded so manipulative when she said that even though Moxxie was also an ass in this episode. Is this to establish that their happiness is just a facade? that Moxxie resents her wife's success and Millie is willing to discard her husband's support to validate her decisions? this also comes out of nowhere.

and struggles with self-worth is already repetitive, Moxxie, Blitz, Stolas, Octavia and even Loona present this conflict with more established information, Millie seems more last minute decision "we need conflict but she has nothing, just copy and paste something"

and Barbie's situation moved too quickly with only the last line being important, she and Blitz only talked because of the coincidental contrived conflict of being involved with M&M's work that forced her to stay and fight, but what did we learn was that she doesn't want Blitz in her life, which was already established in the beginning and implied by the series previously, we don't even know what happened between them, just that it was Blitz's fault maybe, there are no details.

positives: finally an episode of I.M.P's work that ideally would be interesting to see how they interfere and conflict with other works of demons in the Human World
 
Millie outburst is bullshit, "it matters how I feel about myself" this came out of nowhere when was she established with confidence issues? "and for once I feel important" seriously?
Agree, this was contrived.
I assume Viv wanted to kiss some FtM ass so the scenes went like that. Just pretend Millie is possessed by a pooner half the episode, it'll make more sense.
 
Agree, this was contrived.
I assume Viv wanted to kiss some FtM ass so the scenes went like that. Just pretend Millie is possessed by a pooner half the episode, it'll make more sense.
she really is desperate to win back the crowd she pissed off back when she said hazzbin wasn't gonna have pooners or troons in it is she? Keep in mind she didn't say that out of terfy hate for them, she said it bacause she felt she couldn't "represent" the trans community properly as she isn't a pooner herself and untill recently didnt know any troons.


I refer you that I said before, no matter she says, no matter what she claims, or who she says she wants to appeal too. Viviane Maduro is still just another leftist, pandering, tranny loving spic.
 
Wonder how the Always Offended tribe is gonna react to imps from hell being their representation?
 

Positives, this ep was an improvement over the last in that that it didn't make me feel like and an old man while also being ashamed of a slightly older woman still acting like a teenager who graduated from deviantart to animation school. It's nice to see imp doing its fucking job again. And we finally have a payoff with blitzs sister. Plus the family drama is actually well done this time.

Negatives. Of course the idiot manchildren and lefties who went from hating vivzie to whorshipping her like a queen are praising moxie and the cross gender bullshit. She STILL doesn't get how dark/ mature humor works thinking lol dead teenager and incest jokes are funny! And it's not even really incest. Plus...viv I know you're only 31 but again please stop trying to write as if you're still a teenager, those days are long behind you. Don't use terms like "influencer." amd don't try to write teenage characters. I get there becoming the only audience you have left despite your disclaimer that No one underage should be watching your show.
Wtf has this show come to?
I swear these recent episodes are just mindless filler and weird unfunny lefty bullshit.
 
Wonder how the Always Offended tribe is gonna react to imps from hell being their representation?
they've already trotted out their excuse for that: they're "reclaiming" Hell.
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Wtf has this show come to?
I swear these recent episodes are just mindless filler and weird unfunny lefty bullshit.
i mean...still not as bad as the lefty bullshit the mainstream gives us...just a reminder the upcoming oye primos has a possible gay/drag character and a fat chubby spic with a Frida Kahlo esq unibrow as a main character....as bad as vivian is..shes not...THAT low...yet.
 
I think I've noticed an interesting trend whenever modern people write transgender characters. They always think that a character of their gender is capable of passing as and even surpassing someone of the opposite sex, but never conceive and even ridicule the idea that the other gender could mock theirs effectively. The sole exception is when that character is doing so to act in a malevolent fashion, and are thus an oft and experienced practitioner of deception.
Millie is a TIF in this and is a better version of a male. Millie is more loved and accepted by human society as a whole as a man. Moxie as a TIM is a strictly worse version of a woman or even himself normally. For which he is rightly ridiculed. They even take his guns away(his primary skillset) for this episode and steal his kill to sell this.
 
I can't be the only that thinks that it's funny that once than Blitzo the drama queen disappears from the screen the show goes back to being the killer imps show. Pretty meh to me really, the only real chuckle I got was at the end after seeing Moxxie get shit on as always.
I honestly think the show could be improved by just rotating like that, every other episode being an episode focused on one or more other characters who are NOT Stolas or Blitz. And I'm not even particularly hostile to the Stolitz thing. On occasions it's even cute.
 
One of the main problems I've noticed is that this show just doesn't know how to properly build up its characters. They just come up with an idea, pack it all into one episode, and call it a day. Like, when was it ever shown that Millie felt underappreciated? You could have shown bits of that throughout the show. Hell, you had an entire episode based around her family. Show it there! She comes from a big family. I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it came from, but they never show us that. Stop relying on the fans to fill in the blanks by coming up with their own interpretations. That's just lazy writing.

It's exactly like the whole Stolitz situation: They never show that the two might be catching feelings for each other until S1 Ep7, where the whole drama begins. So fan have to look into scenes where the two are together and interpret that "Oh yes! See? That's proof that they had feelings for each other!" But it's not. It's just them twisting the scene into what they want from the scene because they're writing their own version of this show.
 
Agree, this was contrived.
I assume Viv wanted to kiss some FtM ass so the scenes went like that. Just pretend Millie is possessed by a pooner half the episode, it'll make more sense.
This reminds me of an episode from Velma (Yes I watched it, Yes the show is awful and barely worth hate-watching with a friend) where Velma also crossdressed as a man and it made her a gigachad that every woman wants to bone. The biggest difference being that Millie at least has some attractive qualities and unique skills, while Velma is a fat unlikeable daria clone. But no really guys she's a total babe magnet it's just the patriarchy making her look like a bitch.

Reminds me of those tumblr posts from the nice girls/fem incels thread where you had lesbians bitching that any butch would be a total gentlemen and pussy destroyer but le sigh the bi girls go for the dum moids.


On the topic of the episode, it's nice to see drama around blitz that isn't just Stolas and I appreciate the M&M but it's just kinda thrown in as if Viv wants to specifically address all the critiques fans have thrown at her. The barbie plot was less intriguing and more confusing as they didn't give me enough reason to care about her beyond Blitz has fucked up relationships which we've already known since ep 1.

As far the M&M subplot, Millie is still a very shallow character and I just cant see her as her own person away from Moxxie.

Now I'm not really a writer but if I wanted to do an M&M episode I'd have them both join a group where they excel as individuals, like Mox stumbles upon a musical theatre group and Millie join an adrenaline junkie group or something. Both of them enjoying the praise and independence, maybe even saying lines like "It's nice not having someone snore during your dance number" or "Mox would be to afraid to do this with me" to show that not everything about their relationship is perfect. But then they start ditching work/ignoring each other to talk with their groups. And because I.M.P is failing (and he still wants to have a threesome with them??) Blitz has to try to get them back together, culminating in a sappy song and montage of why they like each other and should be a team and going back to status quo. Boom roll credits.
 
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Is Loona's voice actor still MIA? I don't want to watch anything to check. I haven't watched anything since S2E2, I just like reading other people's complaints about the show now.
Erica Lindbeck has been doing other work so she probably was busy due to being a major VA.

Though with her lately she's been in her own drama due to Techbros harrassing her off of Twitter for people reuploading AI covers using her voice work for a character, which probably is its own can of legal issues.
 
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