Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[SubarashiiRage]

it really bothered me how transparently forced the plot is.

at first it was coherent, I.M.P is given a job but Blitz is busy with personal matters and leaves Moxxie in charge in his haste, and Moxxie wanting to prove his competence in his boss's absence makes sense that he decided to overthink a perfect plan. We could have seen him follow the plan only to have it continually go awry not because of incompetence but because Barbie is sabotaging him from the shadows and he has to learn to think outside of the plan to catch her. and bonus points if he accomplishes this without panicking to demonstrate his growth.

but no, the solution comes immediately and he refuses because he really wants to do the infiltration plan which has already become obsolete, the purpose of infiltrations is to collect information without raising suspicion and gain access to restricted areas, M&M do none of these things.( because the episode makes it obvious that they don't need it and we're wasting time)

It's like Moxxie didn't care about the job from the very beginning and used it as an excuse to live out a fantasy and only focused on work afterwards because he's jealous and angry at Millie for getting more popular than him and he wants her to feel bad for not help with the plan he insisted on continuing despite being pointless from the start (how many times the problem comes back on how forced the plot is),
Moxxie is so petty and incompetent here that it gives Blitz justification for treating him like shit, he's lucky he still has a job.

i was kinda curious how they were going to make Millie justify her attitude the future episode leak but the answer is that she just had it all this time.
"Millie is not defined by trauma like the others" but has self-worth issues serious enough to contemplate suicide? none of the other "trauma-defined" ones have a hint of suicidal thoughts, but Millie does? Is that what her having more depth than people give credit meant? just let her talk to some character other than Moxxie for 5 minutes, isn't she the heart of the team? make other characters trust her enough to vent their problems, done.

I was told that the characters are the best part of the show and that M&M are the most likeable characters of them, but I think that was because the focus wasn't on them and if that's the result of paying more attention to them it's better to remain in the background.

 

[FatalTater]

Watching this show and other things where there are characters are cross dressing just makes me think that watching Some Like It Hot (1959) should be required for high school graduation. Maybe even 8th grade graduation.

 

[Yeshuash]

they've already trotted out their excuse for that: they're "reclaiming" Hell.
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Is she insinuating that LGBTQA+@&%whatever ruled hell before someone kicked them out?

What does she even consider "hell" to be?

 

[FatalTater]

Is she insinuating that LGBTQA+@&%whatever ruled hell before someone kicked them out?

What does she even consider "hell" to be?

I mean, for most of us if we had to be surrounded by the rainbow folk wouldn't we consider it eternal misery?

Maybe they aren't reclaiming it, it was always that way. Remember "Him" from Powerpuff Girls?
Hmm.

Though I wonder if people who are all, Fuck yeah! We're in hell and we're living our best lives! Woohoo! is really the brag that Viv thinks it is.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

What does she even consider "hell" to be?

Earth, but moderately less tolerable. Instead of the "place of eternal suffering" it's usually/correctly potrayed as.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Earth, but moderately less tolerable. Instead of the "place of eternal suffering" it's usually/correctly potrayed as.

It still is suffering but comparable to the unhappy suffering people endure today just without being aware its suffering. (Stay in the pod, eat the bugs, stay drugged up, support the current thing, suffering. )

The only other time I recall hell being portrayed as a place that while still bleak and miserable and unhappy but not roasting people on spits or boiling cauldrons for all eternity was a run on the hellblazer comics..and that was back when it was Stull published under the vertigo comics imprint.
Thought I doubt Vivians ever read a hellblazer comic in her life.


And yes I agree the one thing this episode got right was moxies portrayal of being a troon. It may be different in hell but on earth. A dude who throws on a wig and a skirt and tries to "act" like a woman based entirely on coom brained stereotypes will be mocked for it by natural born women. Too bad that's botched by the opposite happening with Mille. She pooners up and is accepted and seen as a boy by everyone. No questions asked.


Viviane may hate men trooning out to invade women's spaces and creep on them, but she has no qualms with pooners.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Pardon my late review, was unavailable yesterday.

Season 2 really hasn't had any winners so far. Moxxie was out of character and Millie once again proved that she's teetering on Mary Sue territory by being perfect at everything. She's the competent girlboss and her malewife is a punching bag, we get it. Their argument was so forced, what is this shit about Millie not feeling important or appreciated before? Moxxie simps for her constantly and both Blitzo and her parents comment on how good her assassination skills are in The Harvest Moon Festival. The argument could've added something interesting to their relationship for once if it made any sort of sense, not helped by how they later made up so easily. Barbie Wire felt forced in at the end when the bulk of the episode should've focused on her and Blitzo instead of M&M's dumb B plot.

Also Moxxie and Millie cross dressing and pretending they were siblings was completely pointless, Viv (or rather Adam, since he was the writer of this episode) just wanted an excuse to shoehorn gender shit and make an incest joke you could see coming from a mile away.

 

[The Nothingness]

Though I wonder if people who are all, Fuck yeah! We're in hell and we're living our best lives! Woohoo! is really the brag that Viv thinks it is.

So a more petty version of "better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven."

My suspension of disbelief has its limits and this show continues to test it with the humans not realizing demons exists. Loona, Stolas, and Barbie go out of their way to look human to not draw suspension and the female campers point out Moxxie's shitty disguise by pointing out his cloven hooves and red skin. But then the same campers see Millie and think she is actual teenage boy along with no longer wondering why "Moxxine" looks so weird.

 

[The Fair Lady]

So a more petty version of "better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven."

My suspension of disbelief has its limits and this show continues to test it with the humans not realizing demons exists. Loona, Stolas, and Barbie go out of their way to look human to not draw suspension and the female campers point out Moxxie's shitty disguise by pointing out his cloven hooves and red skin. But then the same campers see Millie and think she is actual teenage boy along with no longer wondering why "Moxxine" looks so weird.

Watch their excuse for this be "Well humans are stupid, tee hee."

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Watch their excuse for this be "Well humans are stupid, tee hee."

Literally exactly what Barb said in the episode. And was immediately proven right seconds after because "lol, hooman distracted by sexy, funny I am!"

 

[NSJAP]

 

[SubarashiiRage]

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I think it's hilarious that this, minor grooming and incest jokes are the most talked about things about this episode among fans.
these demons from hell admitted to killing children and being ok with rape since season 1, now supporting these characters can be problematic?
hahahahahaha

 

[Dave.]

Got around to watching episode 8 and episode 5 of season 2.

Episode 8:

Holy shit what a waste of fucking time that episode was. Maybe I'm an illiterate, low IQ spic, but I couldn't identify any kind of plot whatsoever in that episode. There was an exposition, but nothing afterwards accept for I guess the climax at the end. I don't know, someone help me out, because I couldn't find any kind of plot here.

The fucking Ke$ha cameo made me pretty angry because it was a waste of time and effort for literally one of the worst songs in the show and probably the worst vocal performance by a b list celebrity I've ever heard. She could've literally gotten a youtube cover artist to do this or anyone else for that matter and it would've probably been cheaper and just as effective than this. Then again, this is Vivienne Medrano who is living in her own personal paradise and imaginary world wants to embrace the L.A culture of celebrity cronyism. She probably jerks herself off everyday knowing she got fucking Ke$ha of all people to voice her stupid furry OC. God this episode pissed me off, I'm sorry.

Loona remains an inconsistent character who Viv cannot make up her mind about what she wants to do with her. Is she an introverted bitch? Is she a reserved shy girl who has a disdainful view of the world around her? Is she just disillusioned by the hand she's given? If she acts that way towards the end to her father, why does she continue fucking with him in episode 3(?) where she's finding Octavia? This episode also taught me literally no more about her than I already knew in episode 3 so I saw barely any growth. This episode is worse than C.H.E.R.U.B which I thought was initially the worst episode in the series, but this somehow managed to bottom it out because at least that episode had a plot.

Episode 5:

I'm noticing an ESG pattern here where every male character Viv has created is getting castrated and raked over the coals by her. This episode made literally no fucking sense. The only reason I can think of as to why they both cross dress is because Vivienne has a man in a maid outfit fetish and she enjoys watching males feminize themselves in her little fujoshi fantasies. I'm also hoping this dual plot episode shit is not a recurring thing, because it didn't work at all in the previous episode and it sort of kind of at least works here because both the plots intersect albeit in a pretty contrived manner. Moxxie also acts way out of character being an egotistical little shit, but that's already been reiterated enough here so I don't need to go into detail about that, but what the fuck is Millie's beef with Moxxie though? She's mad because she's not appreciated enough? You just had your husband sing you a song in a club that hates that shit. I don't know if Viv is romantically retarded (wouldn't surprise me given she's gained 50 pounds from what I can tell from her pictures usually a good sign someone is single) or if she's trying to incorporate emo angst into her romance subplots, but they're really fucking stupid.

That's all my thoughts on this matter. I'll take my tophats now.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Literally exactly what Barb said in the episode. And was immediately proven right seconds after because "lol, hooman distracted by sexy, funny I am!"

I mean..she's not wrong in either the context of the show or a meta sense. If demons are real and revealed their existence to the world do you think anyone aside the religious nuts (of any faith) would even care? A majority of the population would just be all, "ehe wow demons are real whatever back to binge watching." The real world is falling apart and a vast majority of the population doesn't care or feels like it can't do anything about it so why even bother?


I'll give viv one thing if that's a direction she does end up taking her shows and not.."lol incest and trans jokes funny!" Then I might respect her again.

 

[Dave.]

ahem
Kill Stolas. Behead Stolas. Roundhouse kick Stolas into the concrete. Slam dunk Stolas into the trashcan. Crucify filthy faggot owls. Defecate in Stolas' food. Launch Stolas into the sun. Stir fry Stolas in a wok. Toss Stolas into active volcanoes. Urinate into Stolas' gas tank. Judo throw Stolas into an angelic wood chipper. Twist Stolas' head off. Report Stolas to Adam and his exterminators. Karate chop Stolas in half. Curbstomp sodomized Stolas. Trap Stolas in quicksand. Crush Stolas in the trash compactor. Liquefy Stolas in a vat of acid. Eat Stolas. Dissect Stolas. Exterminate Stolas in the gas chamber. Stomp Stolas' skull with steel toed boots. Cremate Stolas in the fires of hell. Lobotomize Stolas. Mandatory castration for Stolas. Grind Stolas in the garbage disposal. Drown Stolas in fried imp grease. Vaporize Stolas with a ray gun. Kick old Stolas down the stairs. Feed Stolas to alligators. Slice Stolas with a katana.View attachment 5192815

"Oops! Teehee, that character's getting a little too cool for this show! Better make him look like a jackass in episode 4 with a statue of his dick hanging out! StolasXBlitzo forever amirite fangirls?"

No seriously, Striker was the only character I genuinely liked and rooted for. Now he's a joke because Medrano hates masculinity.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Medrano hates masculinity.

Unless it's a pooner blending into a male role then that's a ok in her book.


But another thing I wonder...you know the dead counselor who hires mox and mills? Why IS he in hell? I get teenager is a little too old for the innocence of a child card, but the guy was also murdered in his youth.. by a demon from hell no less. Wouldn't that grant some leeway? Sure Lyle and liston died by their own stupidity and one was killed in at best an accident but they were unrepentant evil through and through. Even mayberry as she says was never "evil. " she snapped and went on a blind rage because her husband cheated on her and she did seem to genuine regret what she gad done but still killed herself sooo there's that.

My point is I don't remember if it was mango rice herself or a theory that suggested this but heaven, the cherubs, the Bible accurate angels (and yes they are seen at one point.) All actively HATE humans. They don't want them in heaven because it's a perfect paradise they feel only they should have all to themselves....oh sure they'll let the occasional soul in like the dead baby, the old sweet little granny who died at 90, or even a token person into the place. But they actually hate anything that isn't the stylized perfection that heaven embodies. Including humans.


It's been said the reason Deerie (ms Maduro's self insert) talks in that "yeahhh noon sorry too bad so sad!" Condescending way is cause she gets her kicks denying humans a place in heaven even if they had been good or decent people most or even their whole lives....buy hey you know it'd be nice to actually SEE that not speculate it based on interpretation at best...hint hint.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

But another thing I wonder...you know the dead counselor who hires mox and mills? Why IS he in hell?

I'm pretty sure it's implied that Barbie's heroin smuggling business isn't the only shady thing going on in that camp, so maybe the kid was involved in some bad shit himself

"Oops! Teehee, that character's getting a little too cool for this show! Better make him look like a jackass in episode 4 with a statue of his dick hanging out! StolasXBlitzo forever amirite fangirls?"

@Dave. Also I don't give a fuck what Vivienne says or adds, Striker is still best boy

 

[Cave Fisher]

So a more petty version of "better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven."

My suspension of disbelief has its limits and this show continues to test it with the humans not realizing demons exists. Loona, Stolas, and Barbie go out of their way to look human to not draw suspension and the female campers point out Moxxie's shitty disguise by pointing out his cloven hooves and red skin. But then the same campers see Millie and think she is actual teenage boy along with no longer wondering why "Moxxine" looks so weird.

Oh dude I fucking GUARANTEE that Hazbin is gonna end with Charlie realizing heaven sucks, probably because they're too strict and won't let angel suck dicks or something, and also because the colors there aren't red enough to fit the aesthetic, so she focuses on making hell a better place or something, even though the place is probably filled with rapists and murderers. Maybe she'll make going to the hotel mandatory, like whatever therapy she's doing there will redeem cannibals or something.

Unless it's a pooner blending into a male role then that's a ok in her book.


But another thing I wonder...you know the dead counselor who hires mox and mills? Why IS he in hell? I get teenager is a little too old for the innocence of a child card, but the guy was also murdered in his youth.. by a demon from hell no less. Wouldn't that grant some leeway? Sure Lyle and liston died by their own stupidity and one was killed in at best an accident but they were unrepentant evil through and through. Even mayberry as she says was never "evil. " she snapped and went on a blind rage because her husband cheated on her and she did seem to genuine regret what she gad done but still killed herself sooo there's that.

My point is I don't remember if it was mango rice herself or a theory that suggested this but heaven, the cherubs, the Bible accurate angels (and yes they are seen at one point.) All actively HATE humans. They don't want them in heaven because it's a perfect paradise they feel only they should have all to themselves....oh sure they'll let the occasional soul in like the dead baby, the old sweet little granny who died at 90, or even a token person into the place. But they actually hate anything that isn't the stylized perfection that heaven embodies. Including humans.


It's been said the reason Deerie (ms Maduro's self insert) talks in that "yeahhh noon sorry too bad so sad!" Condescending way is cause she gets her kicks denying humans a place in heaven even if they had been good or decent people most or even their whole lives....buy hey you know it'd be nice to actually SEE that not speculate it based on interpretation at best...hint hint.

See now that WOULD be an interesting take on the "heaven actually sucks lol" trope, but Viv is probably gonna write the place like a strict summer camp or something where you can't curse or fuck, and everyone's drinking holy water and playing a harp for eternity. And Hell looks cool in comparison even though the place gets massacred every year. (There's a reason Inferno is way more popular than Paradiso, Heaven's fucking boring)

 

[The Nothingness]

Maybe she'll make going to the hotel mandatory, like whatever therapy she's doing there will redeem cannibals or something.

I would like to see how she would redeem genocidal dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc. or just sinners who embrace their evilness like Alastor.

 

[Dave.]

See now that WOULD be an interesting take on the "heaven actually sucks lol" trope, but Viv is probably gonna write the place like a strict summer camp or something where you can't curse or fuck, and everyone's drinking holy water and playing a harp for eternity. And Hell looks cool in comparison even though the place gets massacred every year. (There's a reason Inferno is way more popular than Paradiso, Heaven's fucking boring)

I do kind of have a kino, albeit sort of anime-esque, idea to go along with that. Maybe Lucifer inherited God's hell under the idea that the absence of struggle or the absence of evil leads to complacency and decay. Maybe Lucifer decided to inherit the name Satan and allowed himself to be thrown out of heaven and he basically built hell around the idea that if people were bereft of good, would it eventually be sought after or would it be reinvented and the people would sort it out their own way?

It would explain why Hell looks like a cyberpunk city because people from earth came in with their own perceptions of what their idea of a stable lifestyle is, in this case a city, and Lucifer basically allowed his denizens to build it however they wish. It would also fill the gaping plot hole as to why Hell even needs a police force if it's such an evil place. However, in my version, there's a police force because public safety is something people brought down from earth and that was the best way they can enforce it.

Meanwhile, heaven is as the OP described and it's also on the path of decay because now the people there are becoming complacent and apathetic. They are bereft of evil and in this case evil is struggle or suffering. Because none of their paradise is really fought for they start turning to decadent things like what that condescending deer in C.H.E.R.U.B does and maybe they're doing crazy stuff for stimulation or out of sheer boredom.

Just an idea, maybe Lucifer was intentionally portrayed or falsified as evil by the apostles because he's an enemy of god essentially for rebelling. I don't know if these would fit in the overall canon of Helluva Boss or Hazbin, but it would at least justify some of the odd world building choices the shows coming forward with.