Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Sorry if this is a newbish question that might've been answered, but if any commissioners of I.M.Ps decided to kill off someone they don't like, and they end up in hell, would they not eventually figure out who wanted them killed and try to go after them afterwards? What if two people want each other killed? Who does Blitz and his gang kill? The one who has the highest bid? If none of this has yet to be answered then these could make for some genuinely interesting episode ideas that I'm sure Viv will gladly ignore for more owl demon sex.
 
Sorry if this is a newbish question that might've been answered, but if any commissioners of I.M.Ps decided to kill off someone they don't like, and they end up in hell, would they not eventually figure out who wanted them killed and try to go after them afterwards? What if two people want each other killed? Who does Blitz and his gang kill? The one who has the highest bid? If none of this has yet to be answered then these could make for some genuinely interesting episode ideas that I'm sure Viv will gladly ignore for more owl demon sex.
Scenarios like this would make intriguing episodes if the showrunner was not too focused on homo shit.
 
Sorry if this is a newbish question that might've been answered, but if any commissioners of I.M.Ps decided to kill off someone they don't like, and they end up in hell, would they not eventually figure out who wanted them killed and try to go after them afterwards? What if two people want each other killed? Who does Blitz and his gang kill? The one who has the highest bid? If none of this has yet to be answered then these could make for some genuinely interesting episode ideas that I'm sure Viv will gladly ignore for more owl demon sex.
It's funny that a question like this could and should have been answered very very early on, but they lost the plot so fast, we don't even know the specifics of how their job works.
Like how they're apparently not even supposed to go to earth, but are able to post flyers and billboards, and hope no one figures out. And now that I think about, their office has to be in the pride ring, why do none of the people they've killed ever try to target them personally? One of them had to be like "Man, I got killed on earth by these weird imps from hell, and I just saw a flyer that's advertising a business by imps to kill people on earth, wait a god damn minute"
 
I do kind of have a kino, albeit sort of anime-esque, idea to go along with that. Maybe Lucifer inherited God's hell under the idea that the absence of struggle or the absence of evil leads to complacency and decay. Maybe Lucifer decided to inherit the name Satan and allowed himself to be thrown out of heaven and he basically built hell around the idea that if people were bereft of good, would it eventually be sought after or would it be reinvented and the people would sort it out their own way?

It would explain why Hell looks like a cyberpunk city because people from earth came in with their own perceptions of what their idea of a stable lifestyle is, in this case a city, and Lucifer basically allowed his denizens to build it however they wish. It would also fill the gaping plot hole as to why Hell even needs a police force if it's such an evil place. However, in my version, there's a police force because public safety is something people brought down from earth and that was the best way they can enforce it.

Meanwhile, heaven is as the OP described and it's also on the path of decay because now the people there are becoming complacent and apathetic. They are bereft of evil and in this case evil is struggle or suffering. Because none of their paradise is really fought for they start turning to decadent things like what that condescending deer in C.H.E.R.U.B does and maybe they're doing crazy stuff for stimulation or out of sheer boredom.

Just an idea, maybe Lucifer was intentionally portrayed or falsified as evil by the apostles because he's an enemy of god essentially for rebelling. I don't know if these would fit in the overall canon of Helluva Boss or Hazbin, but it would at least justify some of the odd world building choices the shows coming forward with.
>tfw a random ass autistic nigger on Kiwi Farms can come up with a better idea for a concept than a woman who has a literal paid studio behind her
 
I may have already posted something like this, but I think there's an angle from which heaven COULD be interesting based on what we've seen of hell. Angel's problem is that he's a slave to his vices. Heaven could easily be a place of genuine freedom where most things are okay, in moderation. You can still have love and sex, food and drink, art and music. Just without the excess. It might not be exactly consistent with Christian theology (actually, most of it still would be except the sex part), but we passed that a while ago.

The problem is what we've seen of heaven already. It seems like the people there are total dicks and not something to aspire to. So it's clearly going to end up being a retarded William Blake vision of heaven and hell, with hell as a place of Dionysian energy and creativity, and heaven as a place of prudish stagnation. And I've seen that cliche too many times for it to still be interesting.
 
I may have already posted something like this, but I think there's an angle from which heaven COULD be interesting based on what we've seen of hell. Angel's problem is that he's a slave to his vices. Heaven could easily be a place of genuine freedom where most things are okay, in moderation. You can still have love and sex, food and drink, art and music. Just without the excess. It might not be exactly consistent with Christian theology (actually, most of it still would be except the sex part), but we passed that a while ago. The problem is what we've seen of heaven already. It seems like the people there are total dicks and not something to aspire to. So it's clearly going to end up being a retarded William Blake vision of heaven and hell, with hell as a place of Dionysian energy and creativity, and heaven as a place of prudish stagnation. And I've seen that cliche too many times for it to still be interesting. This is why heaven/its characters shouldn't have been revealed this early. Kind of ruins the whole plot of Hazbin Hotel. It's no longer a mystery or something that the audience will have to anticipate for. We know that it's a slightly less shitty version of Earth; just like Hell is a slightly more shitty version of Earth.
 
I may have already posted something like this, but I think there's an angle from which heaven COULD be interesting based on what we've seen of hell. Angel's problem is that he's a slave to his vices. Heaven could easily be a place of genuine freedom where most things are okay, in moderation. You can still have love and sex, food and drink, art and music. Just without the excess. It might not be exactly consistent with Christian theology (actually, most of it still would be except the sex part), but we passed that a while ago.

The problem is what we've seen of heaven already. It seems like the people there are total dicks and not something to aspire to. So it's clearly going to end up being a retarded William Blake vision of heaven and hell, with hell as a place of Dionysian energy and creativity, and heaven as a place of prudish stagnation. And I've seen that cliche too many times for it to still be interesting.
The funniest part is that I don't think Vivienne Medrano even has a clue who William Blake is. I honestly think her Marriage of Heaven and Hell ideas are purely unintentional (Octavia wanting stability in her life, Stolas seeking to comfort and love someone of a lower status, Moxxie and Millie finding solace in their personal relationship despite their world focusing primarily on hedonism) and they're brought from teenage angst and deviantart fanfictions she read as a teen.
 
I may have already posted something like this, but I think there's an angle from which heaven COULD be interesting based on what we've seen of hell. Angel's problem is that he's a slave to his vices. Heaven could easily be a place of genuine freedom where most things are okay, in moderation. You can still have love and sex, food and drink, art and music. Just without the excess. It might not be exactly consistent with Christian theology (actually, most of it still would be except the sex part), but we passed that a while ago.

The problem is what we've seen of heaven already. It seems like the people there are total dicks and not something to aspire to. So it's clearly going to end up being a retarded William Blake vision of heaven and hell, with hell as a place of Dionysian energy and creativity, and heaven as a place of prudish stagnation. And I've seen that cliche too many times for it to still be interesting.
I wouldn’t even pin Paradise Lot for the blame, hell good and heaven bad is just retarded writing. I’m sure Lucifer the show had a much more nuanced view than Vivzie.
 
Welp. I don't know what else to say that I haven't already said about the show already. We'll see how the Asmodeus and Fizzarolli episode goes since that one will be next if we're going off the teaser trailer. Probably nothing much will change though.

In the meantime, I'll be doing something quite autistic by compiling a list of who who worked in Spindlehorse Studio so far. I don't know if I should start on the Hazbin Hotel Pilot, or the Helluva Boss Pilot. I just want to see the whole timeline of who came on and who left. I have no idea when I'll get that done, but I will post my findings later on if people are interested in that sort of thing.
 
I don't mean to double post but I just saw this so I thought I post it to get everyone's thoughts. On one hand, I do feel for Viv on some level. I'm sure it's not easy being a showrunner for two shows and essentially be the face for them. I'm sure it's stressful since there are probably a lot of rumors and I know it's not fun to have people shitting on something you obviously worked hard on.
On the other hand, she really just needs to stop constantly responding to every little negative thing see she's on Twitter. It's really not going to help her in the long run. As I stated before, she's really one of the only creators that I've ever seen constantly go on these little spills. (Maybe Thomas Astruc is worse?) It just looks very unprofessional and it makes me wonder if she can really handle this sort of position
 

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I don't mean to double post but I just saw this so I thought I post it to get everyone's thoughts. On one hand, I do feel for Viv on some level. I'm sure it's not easy being a showrunner for two shows and essentially be the face for them. I'm sure it's stressful since there are probably a lot of rumors and I know it's not fun to have people shitting on something you obviously worked hard on.
On the other hand, she really just needs to stop constantly responding to every little negative thing see she's on Twitter. It's really not going to help her in the long run. As I stated before, she's really one of the only creators that I've ever seen constantly go on these little spills. (Maybe Thomas Astruc is worse?) It just looks very unprofessional and it makes me wonder if she can really handle this sort of position
God this bitch is peak example of everything wrong with western writers and people in the entertainment industry, they can just never shut their mouth for one second
Shit makes me wish we operated like how some countries do and any professional entertainer not acting like it gets their ass shamed and reputation in the shitter and forced to make up for it with community services and helping out
 
I may have already posted something like this, but I think there's an angle from which heaven COULD be interesting based on what we've seen of hell. Angel's problem is that he's a slave to his vices. Heaven could easily be a place of genuine freedom where most things are okay, in moderation. You can still have love and sex, food and drink, art and music. Just without the excess. It might not be exactly consistent with Christian theology (actually, most of it still would be except the sex part), but we passed that a while ago. The problem is what we've seen of heaven already. It seems like the people there are total dicks and not something to aspire to. So it's clearly going to end up being a retarded William Blake vision of heaven and hell, with hell as a place of Dionysian energy and creativity, and heaven as a place of prudish stagnation. And I've seen that cliche too many times for it to still be interesting. This is why heaven/its characters shouldn't have been revealed this early. Kind of ruins the whole plot of Hazbin Hotel. It's no longer a mystery or something that the audience will have to anticipate for. We know that it's a slightly less shitty version of Earth; just like Hell is a slightly more shitty version of Earth.
all of these somehow-better-thought-out ideas reminded me of this screencap I had saved from a /co/ thread
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Maybe I'm forgetting something, but how come Blitzo's druggie sister has access to an artifact for traveling between worlds, isn't that supposed to be a very hard thing to obtain given that the whole premise of the show is set around the idea that Stolas getting dicked guarantees access to his grimoire so that I.M.P has it easy when it comes to actually doing their job?
Also I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but I feel like Striker was based off The Detective from that Soviet cartoon about the Musicians of Bremen
I too would like that to be true, but Vivzie's knowledge of eastern european animation probably starts and ends at "Worker and parasite" sketch from Simpsons.
 
This may have been answered already, so my apologies, but when is Hazbin Hotel actually supposed to come out? I remember watching the pilot what seems like 5 years ago and haven’t heard anything since except some generic updates here and there.
 
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