Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Beautiful Border]

Sometimes, the more I read and learn about certain cows I wish this site was more like soyjack party ngl. Would love more people harassing this malignant social vampires like we do it on the sharty. Oh well, the sharty is the far superior site for a reason.

We're a "point and laugh" site, not a harassment site.

 

[JokahBaybee]

As luck would have it, there happens to be some YouTube Poop in the playlist:

So at least it's good to know Vivzie had good taste. Had.

Reminds me of when I drew this:

Quoting "InJailOutSoon" Since it wont let me:

The idea of Angel Dust oversexualizng himself does make some sense if he did go through some sexual trauma. I mean, it's one of the tell signs of child abuse when child acts out sexually. Hell, in the gay community, many men have openly talked about how their first experience was with an older man when they were a minor, and that it's just kind of normal.

also reposting from earlier in the thread

 

[Lyster]

We're a "point and laugh" site, not a harassment site.

Point and laugh at rapist pedophiles while they molest children is not a good luck kiwis sissies but then again Null is into shotacon so he probably gets off to it.

If you harass the children molesters they win

 

[passionpoop]

i wonder what the break down is like in those communities. how many are actually rape victims, and how many are just freaks who use that as an excuse to shield their disgusting fetish? 10/90, 20/80? the pooner viv was originally covering for came out and admitted she was never assaulted, just gets horny for rape.

Probably not all of them are actual victims, but that's not really the argument. I'm just saying some do exist.

I'm kind of surprised people in this thread don't seem to know that. Paraphilias are a common coping mechanism for sexual trauma, and it's not really any wonder that someone who experiences abuse early on develops a fractured and unhealthy relationship with their own sexuality.

Paraphilias are created and exist for everyone but people who have been sexually assaulted, don't ya know? Rape victims are a class all their own.

 

[doodoocaca]

I feel like if rape victims did, they simply wouldn't tell strangers or people who wouldn't understand it. I understand the revulsion for people who don't have the fetish, but it's bizarre that many here think not one person on the planet Earth who has been abused has a fetish. Not a single one.

No, they don't tell strangers, not on main at least.
That said, for every fujo, there's like a half dozen trannies pretending to be female rape victims and sincerely wishing they were. Curiously enough, it seems to come out the same body weight wise.

 

[Commander X]

When the heretic is laying with a demon of the warp

 

[Beautiful Border]

Point and laugh at rapist pedophiles while they molest children is not a good luck kiwis sissies but then again Null is into shotacon so he probably gets off to it.

If you harass the children molesters they win

With the nonces the point is to document what they're doing and have it on public record for anyone to see. That's why they hate KF, and it's why they have to claim they're being harassed to try and look like the victim and have an excuse for getting the place shut down other than "they host evidence I'm a degenerate". Harassing people does nothing other than muddy the waters and make it less obvious who is in the wrong, it's self-defeating. Punishing these people is (supposed to be) the job of the police.

And we shouldn't have to be doing this, by the way. It's sad that a gossip forum about e-celebs is one of the only platforms on the Internet willing to do this. Ideally this would just be a forum where we talk about people like Vivziepop embarrassing themselves, not also be one of the most comprehensive public repositories for information about Internet predators.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Maybe i'm just too permissive but i shove that in the same category of ironic racism or every other big trend online from the obama era.

The 2008-2016 era was a really fascinating and very important transitional period for the Internet that many people don't seem to talk about in general at the moment, even though they should. I do disagree with you about anything particularly being about "owning the Republicans" until around 2012-2014, as the Internet as a whole was largely apolitical up until that point, although there were still political arguments in certain corners.

 

[doodoocaca]

Reminds me of when I drew this:
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Quoting "InJailOutSoon" Since it wont let me:

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also reposting from earlier in the thread

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God dammit lol
What's with the hamburger print cardigan? I know it was from some stream, I think a Bosco one from before he got thrown under the bus, but holy lol it fits so much now.

 

[PaladinBoo]

The idea of Angel Dust oversexualizng himself does make some sense if he did go through some sexual trauma. I mean, it's one of the tell signs of child abuse when child acts out sexually. Hell, in the gay community, many men have openly talked about how their first experience was with an older man when they were a minor, and that it's just kind of normal. So Angel Dust staying in an abusive situation, participating in many sexual activities, and aggressively flirting with others who aren't interested isn't exactly abnormal here.

The problem here is that Viv and the other people working on the show don't see that being the problem. Well, they see him being in an abusive situation as a problem, but they don't see that as being an effect from the real problems he's dealing with. They just think that him standing up to Val, leaving him, and getting into another relationship will fix everything, when it won't. Until he fixes the real underlying issues, he's not going to get better.

The best course of action for Angel Dust would be to not only leave the abusive situation but to also stop having sex for a while since he uses it as a coping mechanism. Just like how there are addicts for drugs and alcohol, addiction to sex is very real and dangerous. Angel Dust would need to find the underlying causes for why he is like this and find better and healthier methods to cope with his issues. And he should definitely not get into a relationship until he is in a better place physically and mentally, because that would end up terribly for both parties. But, going by the posts and likes, it seems like he will end up with Husk (who also has his own addiction and issues to work on), and everything will work out fine and dandy. Even though, he is technically sexually assaulting Husk, by making unwanted advances at him. So, great job Viv. Really showing off the gay stereotype with this one.

You know who actually handled this well? Fallout: New Vegas with the lesbian NCR sniper Betsy. Betsy was a victim of rape and part of her coping mechanism was being hypersexual and aggressively flirting with other women. Her CO asks the player to get her to admit that she has a problem and seek help. At the end of her quest she realizes that she can't keep holding in her trauma and keeping it to herself and seeks help with The Followers who are a faction of trained doctors. This was a game that came out 13 years ago and handle this topic much better then HB/HH. The problem with a character like Angel Dust compared to Betsy is that Angel Dust was written as fujo bean flicking fetish material. As you said, people like Viv and her crew don't address the underlying issues with a character like Angel Dust because all they care about is flicking their beans to their fujo shit.

 

[Castoreum]

I've been away the last few days, only checking my phone to see if the full episodes leaked. What the fuck happened between the Verbalase AMV and now?

Uh oh spaghettios

Not surprising.

Tell me if I'm off-base, but I don't think Vivzie understands that Zoomers who are teens in the current year don't stand for things like rape and sexual assault in their media unless it's handled very delicately and with tact. It's especially creepy when there is such a direct (albeit parasocial) relationship to be had with the creator in public Internet spaces. People aren't stupid and know that while she is making "adult" content, her target audience is teens. However, she is truly making content for an audience of teenagers that don't exist anymore (that is: teenagers from the mid to late 2000s), and yet she seems to not realize how much times have changed. She really does seem to have some sort of arrested development.

Is this show really going to crash and burn harder than I thought? What are the next episodes gonna be like? This is so interesting to observe from afar. Vivzie and I are so close in age and have similar influences. It's just bizarre to me how she turned out this way.

 

[doodoocaca]

You know who actually handled this well? Fallout: New Vegas with the lesbian sniper Betsy. Betsy was a victim of rape and part of her coping mechanism was being hypersexual and aggressively flirtly with other women. Her CO asks the player to get her to admit that she has a problem and need seek help. At the end of her quest she realizes that she can't keep holding in her trauma and keeping it to herself and seeks help with The Followers who are a faction of trained doctors. This was a game that came out 13 years ago and handle this topic much better then HB/HH. The problem with a character like Angel Dust compared to Betsy is that Angel Dust was written as fujo bean flicking fetish material. As you said, people like Viv and her crew don't address the underlying issues with a character like Angel Dust because all they care about is flicking their beans to their fujo shit.

Fallout was also created by an actual gay man who was involved in the first two Fallouts AFAIK, lol.

 

[Uiyraz]

The sad part of all Vivzie's meltdown is that she was given the perfect opportunity to distract people away from the leaks and rape backlash with the whole verbalase video. The fact the raphiele drama is a month old and resurged thanks to her sperging is pathetic. All she had to do was meme about verbalase and push the traction towards him while also milking the attenttion to her show releasing soon but nope, she had to sperg out.



Also, everything she talks only makes herself sound WORSE.

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Vivzie PLEASE, you put your sexualized femboy getting raped on screen while singing and dancing about it, you really dont want to play the "I shown the rape to cope" card right now.

No one is saying you're portraying abuse as positive, they're saying you're portraying it as HOT which, sure sounds like it when you use the most "yaoi BSDM camera angles" ever (hair pull, slap, choking). There is no amount of extra context to make that scene not look like your fetish.

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Vivzie nooooo you can't just say you show rape to "help the voice of sexual assault survivors" and then get mad when people asked who are these supposed victims you're using as shields that's not how this works

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>MY SHOW HAS NO FETISHZATION OF RAPE HOW DARE YOU
>Every show has some people who fetishize rape to cope, if they did in my show i stand with them!

vivzie nooooo

(Late but using a classic) Now wait a minute Vivzie! VIVZIE NO!

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

lol I hate this type of edgy crap media but this should be fun to watch at least.

The work stuff is.. 'not going to touch', not in the modern era where being told you have to actually do your job, or not to pick political fights at work, are seen as egregious violations... it takes some major accusations and proof before i even seriously take notice of claims. As for the fetish claims.. so what?! JFC are people, especially younger generations, unhinged.
It's all fantasy.. that means not real. Grow up! These people are ruining the world, both real and fantasy.

It's even worse here because people are also freaking out because they dare to hire people with the wrong fantasies.. nuts

Also yet another reminder that rape kinks tend to be a female fantasy more than male.

I think it’s kind of funny that all these people rant and rave about this art from a show set in Hell about drugged out demons who have gross furry sex. Younger generations increasingly have many who view human interactions in an incredibly bizarre & ridiculous way. Heads filled with an obsession for consent culture, to the point that they miss the forest for the trees. Maybe even miss the forest for the dirt on their knees. This is blowback of “metoo“ & “consent culture“ taken too far, on top of some other things.

They are nitpicking demons in Hell that look like furries, named after drugs (Angel Dust,) with storylines including rape amongst all the murder, cannibalism, & other satanic shit, etc. It’s not my cup of tea, but this is ridiculous nitpicking. It’s in Hell. What’s not appropriate in Hell? It’s adults in an adult show. Lotsa rape happens in lotsa shows. This is some funny shit, and I’ll have to watch this thread closer, because I enjoy watching industry dummies create more dramatics than they know what to do with. Only started reading this thread recently, (20 pages ago?) but am going to be looking at the whole story ITT now. The creator could handle this in so many different ways that would benefit her, but she does this shit. Many of the fans seem especially ridiculous as well. My first thought was that this show sure has a shit tonne of merch for something with out one season released, yet. That right there gives plenty of info. Reminds me a little of RoosterTeeth.

Yeah, this is the worst part.. It's not just fiction and fantasy, it's fiction and fantasy of HELL.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

the Internet as a whole was largely apolitical up

it wasn't explicit but stuff like the huge Athiesm trend online or just people's sophomoric humor really could probably be based on not being like their parents. Plus because of what was the normal culture online, people were more willing to troll anti-gay rednecks or other fools in a way that people really don't anymore.

I do agree about how interesting the era was too. I'd love some Mad Men esque show about the 2010s because of how much internet culture changed from 2010 to 2019 especially. We had such true free speech and i think a lot of that could also be because of the demographics online, once the smart phone era set in suddenly it wasn't just white kids with a hardwire connection shitposting, suddenly everyone could post from anywhere and you had a lot of people that wanted to change the culture online. people forget how much that rape joke controversy really rocked the online world, it was the first blatant shot internet feminists took at the mainstream that got traction, from 2012 to 2014 you had all these women sort of prepping for Clinton's administration and in return you had tons of internet people mocking these SJWs. Before then you had stuff like elevadorgate or credit card companies demanding the removal of "rape adjacent" porn both in 2011, but overall the 2008 to 2014 era really stands out because you had these huge websites but it was before anyone online really started cracking down on people's opinions. It also stands out because unlike the bush era, websites didn't rise and fall and people didn't gravitate towards different websites every other year. the dominant social media from 2011 is still the dominant ones. TikToks the biggest one to come out, but for all of the 2010s people used the same websites, and with that came the control and censorship without alternatives suddenly taking over like what happened with digg.

Look how many redlinks ED has because most of the documentation is from places that straight up don't exist anymore whereas the earliest threads OPs here still have their stuff mostly available. Like we're mostly fucked on a lot of stuff from the 2000s. but you could semi-easily document or look up people's accounts and comments from 2011 or whenever about most every subject.

I guess you could call the early 2010s the "YA years" of the internet. sites like college humor or buzzfeed thrived and you had this feel of "everything is allowed" and now the last decade has been the internet maturing. Its not the wild west anymore. Its still shocking to think Reddit in 2014 had the fappenning within minutes all on "the frontpage of the internet" and had people posting stuff like "dae black people are the racists and white people are the ones victim to institutional and overt racism in this country?" along with posts mocking trannies. What could now only happen on "fringe" websites like this one was just normal culture in 2014 online.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

The "she flicks off to problematic material" accusations seem dumb, and the "she's a bad boss" cancellation attempts aren't new.

I know probably a couple years ago there was someone who came out trying to smear her over being a meanie poo poo head as well; as an uninformed 3rd party it kind of just looked like people were angry because she expected them to do work instead of running a cuddle daycare for Tumblr users.

However, she's still rather fat. She should get cancelled for that instead.

You know who actually handled this well? Fallout: New Vegas with the lesbian NCR sniper Betsy. Betsy was a victim of rape and part of her coping mechanism was being hypersexual and aggressively flirting with other women.

That was a little weird.
Here I am just trying to have a good wholesome time graphically dismembering and blowing up towns full of people, and they had to go and make it mature by bringing up rape.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

So long as women and womanhood receive veneration and worship, rape as a fetish shall remain protected from criticism.

Not from me it won't.

 

[doodoocaca]

However, she's still rather fat. She should get cancelled for that instead.

She drew her self-insert imp ordering a Starbucks milkshake. With vanilla pumps, of course.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Even if this is a thing, wouldn’t it be equivalent to child abuse victims watching cp?

Yes, pedophiles make that excuse all the time.

rape is literally being admonished right in this very thread so I don't know what you're talking about.

It's also being very staunchly defended for some reason.

 

[Seafarer]

also reposting from earlier in the thread

You know the funny thing about these images is if you showed them to the average Hazbin fan they would get upset and go on a rant about how problematic you are for mocking sexual abuse victims, while in private they masturbate to the most heinous Angel x Valentio rape porn imaginable.