Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Honestly I really liked 5+6. I feel like the show should just be 1,5 and 6. The conversation with Angel Dust and Valentino in the club covered everything about the horrors Angel Dust goes through, and didn't feel like fetish shit.
Also the story/tone is less confusing if you go in that order.

And holy shit Charlie is an actual character that's being developed now.
Everyone either hates the show, hates the premise but loves the characters or is eating popcorn while watching the masses tear each other to pieces over it including it own creator.

When this thread started I though the tag line "this sites final destination." Meant it was gonna be something that we all could agree on and enjoy. In some ways that ended up being true...but not in the ways I anticipated.
 
Hazbin is one of those shows that strangely falls in the middle. There are just as many things to like as one can hate, and some of the drama surrounding this show is really hilarious.

Quality of the show aside, I hope Vivziepop succeeds financially with this if it means more drama keeps happening
 
If I had to make a guess, Alastor was just messing around. I doubt he actually cares about Charlie at all, It's likely that, due to his close friendship with Rose/Lilith, he just wanted to piss off Lucifer and try to separate Charlie from him more (remember when Lilith went into his office and took away baby Charlie?).

It's just "Lilith hates you, Lilith is my bestie so I hate you, fuck you, your daughter calls me Daddy too"
I thought the big twist was that the Lilith we saw in the flashback was not the real Lilith (aka Rosie) but Eve as she was the one who wanted to separate Charlie from Lucifer as revenge for taking the blame in the Genesis story. Ep 5 showed a family portrait where Lilith does not look different from Rosie, who we saw in Ep 3 (chances are Lilith changed her appearance).
 
Honestly, every episode has at least one decent thing about it, which prevents the show from being 100% trash. In other words, the cherry on top of the shit sundae.
I hate it more because there's things I don't hate every episode, and sometimes they outweigh the dumb stuff. Like, Episode 6 for me was actually good, but I do have issues with a lot of the designs in heaven and still think Adam is stupid but the Sera and Emily stuff was good, but the time skip was bad. Stop being so god damn gray damn it
 
I just realized that Nifty is the only hotel person who hasn't sung yet. Literal, side characters have their own songs but Nifty doesn't even get one line to sing. What the fuck? I'm not saying she doesn't get to sing because she's the only straight character in the show...but...it does feel heavily implied.
 
I just realized that Nifty is the only hotel person who hasn't sung yet. Literal, side characters have their own songs but Nifty doesn't even get one line to sing. What the fuck? I'm not saying she doesn't get to sing because she's the only straight character in the show...but...it does feel heavily implied.
Niffty only exists to be 'Haha funny little psychopath', seriously the only thing she's done so far is occasionally show up to say a crazy line or two, her being the one that's going to kill Adam will be the only plot relevent thing she's going to do this season and that's certainly going to be portrayed as a joke.

Sure, she has gotten a couple legitimate chuckles out of me, but she's that bad type of comedic relief character who's sole existence revolves around the fact they're the comedic relief character.
 
Is drinking alcohol actually considered a sin within Christianity, though? It's part of the sacrament of the eucharist, after all.
Only Catholics (and maybe the Eastern Orthodox, but I'm not as familiar with their practices) actually drink wine as part of their Communion. Most other churches just use non-fermented fruit juice instead.

I think it’s only a sin if you become addicted to it. See 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
No it isn't, while there a few sects that make alcohol consumption forbidden in core Christianity only gluttonous consumption of alcohol is considered sinful.
This is somewhat controversial among Christians and different denominations take different stances. Drunkenness absolutely is sinful. And there are plenty of verses, especially in the Old Testament, that talk about alcohol, or specifically ward against drinking in certain situations (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4, 7, 14; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4; Isaiah 5:11, 22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12). However, there are no verses that ward against Christians drinking period, and there are some verses that even appear to discuss wine positively (Ecclesiastes 9:7, Psalm 104:14-15, Amos 9:14, Isaiah 55:1). But the Bible explicitly condemns drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18, Proverbs 23:29-35) and commands Christians not to be "mastered" by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19), which would include alcohol. The Bible also says that Christians shouldn't do anything that offends the sensibilities of other Christians or would cause their brothers to stumble (1 Corinthians 8:9-13), and drinking wine to excess would not be to the glory of God, and everything a Christian does is to be to his glory (1 Corinthians 10:31).

The Bible never condemns alcohol itself, only the drunkenness that comes with it. Drinking small amounts of alcohol isn't harmful, and drinking red wine may actually have good health benefits. However, due to how easy it is to drink to excess, how addictive alcohol can be, and the possibility that drinking alcohol can cause a fellow brother to stumble, its generally considered best practice for a Christian to abstain from alcohol.
 
At this point, you are right.
Ideas "created" by ourselfes, far away from nepotism, wokeism and shit.
One of the problems with people like Vivziepop is all political, LGBT and agendas they put into their work.

Man, even bara yaoi is more respectable than softboys yaoi furfags
I find all kinds of yaoi to be equally disgusting.

The Abrahamic religions are all screwed up when it comes to booze. They lived in a society that NEEDED alcohol cause clean drinking water was almost non existent, but addiction and drunkenness? Best case scenario ostracized (Christians) worse case scenario painful punishment or death (the Arabs of course)

Have you seen the amount of Charlie and/or pomni lewd art? Never underestimate the power clussy/jussy has over coomers.

It's funny how Knowles and daily wire will bash anyone as an "evil satanist" if they don't totally embrace their ideals or in vivs case made a show that tries to portray the "villians" of Christianity in a sympathetic light. These guys really are the remnants of the puritans who ran moral crusades against everything from Harry Potter to rock and roll way back when. These guys wonder why few people take them seriously? Or why even forums like ours while we do agree whether some of their opinions, will stall call them out for bs when we see it?


It's cause they're the opposite end of the spectrum. If vivziepop is the end result of left leaning thinking taking over the entertainment industry daily wire and what it produces be it news, cartoons, or movies is the end game of right leaning thinking doing the same.
Two sides of the same fucked up coin.
 
With Episodes 5 and 6, it's really becoming apparent that the angels being the antagonists doesn't really work when at the same time it's a plot point that Hell does indeed suck and is filled with evil sinners. Like they keep trying this whole "Give them a chance" thing but those motherfuckers don't want to be better. Like I get it, Adam's a dick and Lute is a fanatic but this conflict only works if we pretend that most of the souls getting exterminated didn't have it coming.

Any easy fix for this would be having more and more characters be added to the Hotel overtime, really make it clear that there are a ton of sinners who want to be rehabilitated. Don't even give them speaking roles just have a bunch of scenes of new people coming in in the background.
 
Vaggie is actually evil for not exterminating that child (if true). Since this is hell, instead of being mercy-killed that child would probably go on to be raped and cannibalised by their fellow citizens the moment the exterminators went back to heaven...

Why are the exterminations such a big deal again? Hell sucks and i imagine a lot of people would just volunteer to perma die.

And again, so far we haven't really seen many normal enough people willing to try to repent while under the hotels protection, a literal safe haven from all the shit in hell. All the sinners weve seen so far are genuinely quite awful, so im not rooting for any of these bitches to even get to heaven or not be sniped aside from the precious egg lord.
Looking at hell, it seems like all normal average people either go to heaven or go somewhere else entirely. Except that one counselor dude in hb idk what he did but he seems to be a massive outlier.
 
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With Episodes 5 and 6, it's really becoming apparent that the angels being the antagonists doesn't really work when at the same time it's a plot point that Hell does indeed suck and is filled with evil sinners. Like they keep trying this whole "Give them a chance" thing but those motherfuckers don't want to be better. Like I get it, Adam's a dick and Lute is a fanatic but this conflict only works if we pretend that most of the souls getting exterminated didn't have it coming.

Any easy fix for this would be having more and more characters be added to the Hotel overtime, really make it clear that there are a ton of sinners who want to be rehabilitated. Don't even give them speaking roles just have a bunch of scenes of new people coming in in the background.
Charlie doesn't give a shit about sinners now, she doesn't seem to care about saving them because the plot has changed from solving overpopulation to proving Heaven wrong about redemption, and if she accomplishes that what's the next step? the exterminations end and the hotel closes, or they continue and it becomes a war which changes the premise of the show.

the idea of the Hotel is becoming obsolete, without new residents after months, they are not going to redeem Angel because it would change the status quo of the show, so Sir P has to be the redeemed one who since how easy it is to get into Heaven will not change his feelings that much. apparitions.

It also takes 6 months and only one soul goes to heaven after a selfless act, this is a process that is not only slow but also unreliable if an event is going to happen that provides the ideal conditions for ascension.
There is no discussion about the procedures or the logistics of the thing, the show has no focus and we will have a resolution in two episodes that I doubt will address the Hotel's problems
 
Okay, I’m bored right now. I may as well make myself suffer by watching episodes five and six. Does anyone know where I can watch those? The four episodes I watched were on a website that doesn’t have the two yet.
 
As far as alcohol, judging from the amount of beer guzzled in places like Tennessee and Alabama, my guess is most actual Christians have no problem with it.
Not to mention the figurative and literal divinity Mediterranean Christian cultures place on wine. I mean, isn’t there an old Italian winery that has a drinking fountain dispensing wine? That’s ignoring all of it’s culinary uses too.

I mean, Jesus turned water into wine. If the big guy himself created and consumed it, it must be okay, right?
 
Vaggie is actually evil for not exterminating that child (if true), since this is hell, instead of being mercy-killed that child would probably go on to be raped and cannibalised by their fellow citizens...

Why are the exterminations such a big deal again? Hell sucks and i imagine a lot of people would just volunteer to perma die.

And again, so far we haven't really seen many normal enough people willing to try to repent while under the hotels protection, a literal safe haven from all the shit in hell. All the sinners weve seen so far are genuinely quite awful, so im not rooting for any of these bitches to even get to heaven or not be sniped aside from the precious egg lord.
Looking at hell, it seems like all normal average people either go to heaven or go somewhere else entirely. Except that one counselor dude in hb idk what he did but he seems to be a massive outlier.
It all comes down to the lack of clear definition of what Hell and Heaven is in this universe. So you have a child in Hell? Why is he there? Was he one of those savage kids that would kill and rape people (African/Indian child gangs)? Why is no one being punished in hell for there sins and just fuck around being hedonistic?

Viv has no answer.
 
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