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- Sep 30, 2018
Finally seriously watched all of 7 and 8. If the prior eps were worse, holy fucking shit, that might explain why these seem good. Admittedly, I only skimmed those.
The pacing, total lack of breathing space, and the Cocoamelon level rushing sucked all weight out of most of both episodes. Alastor cursing is ridiculous to me. Deus Ex Lucifer (lol) is "Huh? Why wasn't he there in the first place?" If there's a good reason, or even a retarded one with rubber ducks, that warrants being shown since Hell was invaded but resisted.
Lucifer is Jerry, and Alastor is Rick. There, I said it.
Vaggie being trained to fight by a damned overlord who seems more like a sagely teacher than a damned overlord (WHO HAS KIDS?!) was odd. If you want to go with uwu misunderstood overlords then it needs to be leaned into and shown, not just told with a single dance number. Carmine sings well at least, and her deep female voice is jarringly better than Vaggie's. I'm also a sucker for Spanish music so hey. I never saw Vaggie train the other people in the hotel how to fight the way Carmine trained her, but then again, I doubt anyone involved has ever taken a fist that wasn't twisted up their ass after huffing poppers.
Juxtaposing "you have an X over your eye and an angel spear, it's not rocket science" with "I HAD NO IDEA ROSIE WAHH!" was jarring. The pinkie joke being done, but not making a pun about actual food like ladyfingers was missing an obvious joke, and of course neither Vaggie nor Angel were there to take the layup. Charlie singing to make Susan not be a bitch was also weird. Why does Susan matter so much, again?
Charlie seems to be a childish ditz, like she's a kid, not a sheltered young adult noble, or even a sheltered young adult woman who isn't Hell's nobility. She's a worse case of the problem that Piper had in Orange Is The New Black, and even looks and sounds a bit like her to boot. Fucking Hell. [Angeldust oneliner goes here]
Charlie toting a shield and sprinkling glitter in the eyes of those that have killed her people is jaw dropping. "Sorry!" was grating, not funny. It took her so long to actually get serious, like she never had to really fight anyone in Hell. Her forgotten? razzle and dazzle finally show up, only for Vaggie's mount [Angeldust oneliner goes here] to get smacked down instantly. Also, she was dressed in something one would expect to be worn for her partner, not a battlefield. Nobody seemed afraid. Adam oneshotting Pent like a trash mob would have made me mad had I paid to watch this.
Lucifer turning into a MLP to clown on Adam was actually funny but it is probably self aware shit to get more fandumbz. All the forgiveness shown is a "wtf". I'd expect some decisiveness given the weight of what was going on, but there never was any weight to it.
Everything is terribly light and zany and paced like Viv'z idea of high comedy is The Room.
A decently competent mid level DnD party does fantasy fights much better, but most viewers will not care, and that would be over their heads anyway. The composition and animation was fun, but nobody making the show seems to have any real concept of how a fight flows, never mind organized violence with extremely high stakes in a pitched battle. Everyone in the open, no layered defenses, no cover, no fortification, just Hell's fucking princess throwing glitter, wearing lingerie in a fight to save her people, forgetting she has her magic goat monsters. On top of that, for some reason, the exterminators didn't come for all of Pride, they just had a few dozen girlscouts in dressup with masks on, instead of the wanton destruction the pilot implied.
I don't think Vivz is out of her depth, I think this is kiddie-pool stuff for kiddie-pool viewers, made by someone who wears water wings in ankle depe water, which is fine. I was hoping the setting would make this "adult animation" and not "CN but no censors exist, but somehow not Adult Swim tier" but this is Vivz we're talking about. She's so impeceptive she still has that pedophile villain OC donut steel out on the internet that looks like a less scene version of her own self insert which is just hispter Charlie. Oh yeah, kiddie pools.
It's very obvious Vivz has vanishingly little experience doing adult things as an adult, and I don't mean sex. I mean living and having intimate friendships and bonding with other people and venting and sharing one's feelings. Given the weight of all of this, there should be plenty to go around. You don't see weighty scenes in HH with room to breathe and people sharing emotions and worries over drinks in a bar, or walking around the wasteland of hell, or their rooms; you just see these cartoonish, childish leaps from scene to scene to push the plot while the characters are suffocated by the pacing and lack of space.
tl;dr, it's red-tinted store brand gravity falls with cursing, rape, and rape jokes. There's potential, but my fucking god, stop letting Vivz write her character designs. Stuff that would lend itself for skullduggery, backgroom things, sneaky backstabbing, intrigue, etc, at least in my mind, is instead very out in the open and is so cartoonish everything has the weight of a helium balloon. Oh hi Mark.
Zen moment: I think Brandon's Katie line at the end of ep 8 was entirely actual spite.
The pacing, total lack of breathing space, and the Cocoamelon level rushing sucked all weight out of most of both episodes. Alastor cursing is ridiculous to me. Deus Ex Lucifer (lol) is "Huh? Why wasn't he there in the first place?" If there's a good reason, or even a retarded one with rubber ducks, that warrants being shown since Hell was invaded but resisted.
Lucifer is Jerry, and Alastor is Rick. There, I said it.
Vaggie being trained to fight by a damned overlord who seems more like a sagely teacher than a damned overlord (WHO HAS KIDS?!) was odd. If you want to go with uwu misunderstood overlords then it needs to be leaned into and shown, not just told with a single dance number. Carmine sings well at least, and her deep female voice is jarringly better than Vaggie's. I'm also a sucker for Spanish music so hey. I never saw Vaggie train the other people in the hotel how to fight the way Carmine trained her, but then again, I doubt anyone involved has ever taken a fist that wasn't twisted up their ass after huffing poppers.
Juxtaposing "you have an X over your eye and an angel spear, it's not rocket science" with "I HAD NO IDEA ROSIE WAHH!" was jarring. The pinkie joke being done, but not making a pun about actual food like ladyfingers was missing an obvious joke, and of course neither Vaggie nor Angel were there to take the layup. Charlie singing to make Susan not be a bitch was also weird. Why does Susan matter so much, again?
Charlie seems to be a childish ditz, like she's a kid, not a sheltered young adult noble, or even a sheltered young adult woman who isn't Hell's nobility. She's a worse case of the problem that Piper had in Orange Is The New Black, and even looks and sounds a bit like her to boot. Fucking Hell. [Angeldust oneliner goes here]
Charlie toting a shield and sprinkling glitter in the eyes of those that have killed her people is jaw dropping. "Sorry!" was grating, not funny. It took her so long to actually get serious, like she never had to really fight anyone in Hell. Her forgotten? razzle and dazzle finally show up, only for Vaggie's mount [Angeldust oneliner goes here] to get smacked down instantly. Also, she was dressed in something one would expect to be worn for her partner, not a battlefield. Nobody seemed afraid. Adam oneshotting Pent like a trash mob would have made me mad had I paid to watch this.
Lucifer turning into a MLP to clown on Adam was actually funny but it is probably self aware shit to get more fandumbz. All the forgiveness shown is a "wtf". I'd expect some decisiveness given the weight of what was going on, but there never was any weight to it.
Everything is terribly light and zany and paced like Viv'z idea of high comedy is The Room.
A decently competent mid level DnD party does fantasy fights much better, but most viewers will not care, and that would be over their heads anyway. The composition and animation was fun, but nobody making the show seems to have any real concept of how a fight flows, never mind organized violence with extremely high stakes in a pitched battle. Everyone in the open, no layered defenses, no cover, no fortification, just Hell's fucking princess throwing glitter, wearing lingerie in a fight to save her people, forgetting she has her magic goat monsters. On top of that, for some reason, the exterminators didn't come for all of Pride, they just had a few dozen girlscouts in dressup with masks on, instead of the wanton destruction the pilot implied.
I don't think Vivz is out of her depth, I think this is kiddie-pool stuff for kiddie-pool viewers, made by someone who wears water wings in ankle depe water, which is fine. I was hoping the setting would make this "adult animation" and not "CN but no censors exist, but somehow not Adult Swim tier" but this is Vivz we're talking about. She's so impeceptive she still has that pedophile villain OC donut steel out on the internet that looks like a less scene version of her own self insert which is just hispter Charlie. Oh yeah, kiddie pools.
It's very obvious Vivz has vanishingly little experience doing adult things as an adult, and I don't mean sex. I mean living and having intimate friendships and bonding with other people and venting and sharing one's feelings. Given the weight of all of this, there should be plenty to go around. You don't see weighty scenes in HH with room to breathe and people sharing emotions and worries over drinks in a bar, or walking around the wasteland of hell, or their rooms; you just see these cartoonish, childish leaps from scene to scene to push the plot while the characters are suffocated by the pacing and lack of space.
tl;dr, it's red-tinted store brand gravity falls with cursing, rape, and rape jokes. There's potential, but my fucking god, stop letting Vivz write her character designs. Stuff that would lend itself for skullduggery, backgroom things, sneaky backstabbing, intrigue, etc, at least in my mind, is instead very out in the open and is so cartoonish everything has the weight of a helium balloon. Oh hi Mark.
Zen moment: I think Brandon's Katie line at the end of ep 8 was entirely actual spite.
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