Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Heck, why in the seven circles off hell is there a cannibal town and why do all the people in it dress like they're from the 1912 era?

I'm more conflicted on the fact that there's not countless subcategories of towns and cities pertaining to certain groups of sinners. You'd think with the fact that sinners can only stay in one entire ring (that eventually would cause an overpopulation issue, wow who would've guessed keeping billions of sinners in a single ring is a bad idea???), there'd be countless sub communities everywhere Charlie would look. There'd be varying infrastructure, types of sinners, the huge variety of cultures that would develop within hell itself. So much potential and all we got was a lackluster LA with a hell aesthetic. So much potential for explanations and explorations of the Pride Ring and only 0.00001% of the whole ring has been explored. What a waste of worldbuilding. What a waste of building in general because Vivziepop wanted to indulge in her High School Musical fantasies rather than make an actually unique take of hell and its citizens.

GOD, MAN. (:_(
 
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Niffty

Not too much to say, don't really care too much about her. Nor do I have any attachment to her character, as she's sort of a nothing burger. Both pilot and show wise. I do like the idea of her being the Charlie (IAS) of the group showing off the more gross and unstable side of sinners. So it gives me as a viewer/writer/artist of why?

Why is she like this?

I don't think Viv thought too much of her, and with the little information she gave could actually be interesting. If only she didn't crumble to pissbabies and change it again.

1950's Japanese murderous housewife. I'm only going to critique the show as in the pilot she is somehow less important.

Old
Really flat and uninspired colors
Also has the red cheeks makes me think she's related in some way to Charlie/Lucifer.
Her outfit blends too much into her limited color palette
Stole her Asian heritage (why do people of color in this show literally become ashy or white? Is color not allowed in heaven or hell?)
Her bangs don't fit the time period
Ladybug is what she's suppose to be...WHAT?

New
She has her old skintone and I gave her some slight yellow skin, not because she's Asian but she's based on both the yellow again ladybug, and American ladybug. It adds more into her blending into her new surroundings (as a Japanese immigrant)
Added ladybug features (Antenna eyelashes, Lady bug arms, her stocking and gloves are actually apart of her and are buglike.)
Her fingers are long, pointy sewing needles as well as her teeth.
Her lady bug patterns are from blood of hellspawn and sinners, adding to her unhinged nature and to give ladybug spots.
Changed colorscheme, dress, and hairstyle.
Her makeup smears of her crying with her single eye drip down her lips.

Story wise

She is still a Japanese woman.

When she was growing up she already had some psychological problems, her father and mother feared her as in her youth she killed insects and small animals. Yet is remarkably intelligent. She knows there's something different about her, but doesn't know what.

During her teenage years she would get into fights with other schoolchildren. People often made fun of her small stature, so that made her feel that she had to prove herself more.

Becomes a delinquent early on with all of her fights. Eventually because of her disobedience her family disown her.

Now that there's nothing for her in Japan she leaves to America trying to start a new life. A few years later she meets an American veteran who she married, hiding her inner darkness. With cleaning, torturing bugs and pests, and cooking. Though she often asks what it was like to kill someone, and other creepy red flags.

Pearl harbor happens. Her and her husband are seen as possible terrorists (racial profiling) and her life here is ruined, her husband who gave his life for his country is heartbroken and begins to drink. He begins to abuse Niffty and hits her, Niffty only takes this a few times and plans to get rid of him before she kills him in his stabbing him with a knife she stages the scene to be where she looks like she's defending herself. The police however do not see it like that.

She is sent to prison, now with the taste of blood and killing she fights other inmates and is all around a problem prisoner, and keep her in solitary confinement where not even the bugs (her outlet) can get her. Eventually she goes insane and she kills herself.

In hell she comes back free, her inner darkness now fully takes over. She kills hellborn and sinners feeling so alive. She eventually tries to take on an Exorcist, but fails miserably

Alastor meets her while she's hurt, and promises her that he'll keep her alive and still fighting all she has to do is serve Alastor and she can kill as much as she wants. Niffty later becomes infatuated with Alastor who she views as completely understanding and accepting her.

When she works at the hotel she gladly follows his orders becoming his most loyal lacky. And she begins to tempt people to kill and not hold their "demons" inside. As she cleans for the hotel she marks her "territory" by hanging up corpses of rodents and bugs that are infesting the hotel.

She doesn't associate with other guests too much, often talks to herself or the corpses. Alastor invites her for tea parties, and he feasts on deer in front of her. He himself is also quite comfortable with Niffty.

As always

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The show wanting to do that like...
Emily in episode 6: How can I bring joy when I now know we are bringing misery to thousands of innocent people?
The "innocent people":
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But this is a master story telling, just like a subversion of tropes in ASOIAF. One is geared for intellectual men and these for teenage girls that would go "dum xtians lol xd" (sarcasm, of course).

I'm more conflicted on the fact that there's not countless subcategories of towns and cities pertaining to certain groups of sinners. You'd think with the fact that sinners can only stay in one entire ring (that eventually would cause an overpopulation issue, wow who would've guessed keeping billions of sinners in a single ring is a bad idea???), there'd be countless sub communities everywhere Charlie would look. There'd be varying infrastructure, types of sinners, the huge variety of cultures that would develop within hell itself. So much potential and all we got was a lackluster LA with a hell aesthetic. So much potential for explanations and explorations of the Pride Ring and only 0.00001% of the whole ring has been explored. What a waste of worldbuilding. What a waste of building in general because Vivziepop wanted to indulge in her High School Musical fantasies rather than make an actually unique take of hell and its citizens.

GOD, MAN. (:_(
I know right. When will we see a high tech place... or a me-DIE-val place, which should be taken over by gangsters since better firearms and such.
 
You'd think with the fact that sinners can only stay in one entire ring (that eventually would cause an overpopulation issue, wow who would've guessed keeping billions of sinners in a single ring is a bad idea???)
Easily one of the worst things about Helluva Boss is how the gay drama has overshadow any other opportunity for Blitzo to interact with sinner clients dropping little tibbits of about the history of the ring and why things are the way they are now, not even the sins tease you with any kind of information is all always some little stupid song number about irrelevant relationship shit.
So much potential and all we got was a lackluster LA with a hell aesthetic. So much potential for explanations and explorations of the Pride Ring and only 0.00001% of the whole ring has been explored. What a waste of worldbuilding.
I've been seriously brainstorming my own version of the rings of hell because I cannot believe that having so many interpretations of it through human history, Viv, instead decided that generic_modern_city.jpg would be perfect as the base mold.
 
When she works at the hotel she gladly follows his orders becoming his most loyal lacky. And she begins to tempt people to kill and not hold their "demons" inside. As she cleans for the hotel she marks her "territory" by hanging up corpses of rodents and bugs that are infesting the hotel.

She is sent to prison, now with the taste of blood and killing she fights other inmates and is all around a problem prisoner, and keep her in solitary confinement where not even the bugs (her outlet) can get her. Eventually she goes insane and she kills herself.

When she was growing up she already had some psychological problems, her father and mother feared her as in her youth she killed insects and small animals. Yet is remarkably intelligent. She knows there's something different about her, but doesn't know what.

These three sentences alone made her more frightening of a character than Hazbin ever could try to. In the show she's nothing but a typical "crazy psycho gal" that you feel wouldn't be so different from the "crazy psycho gal" memes of the early 2010s. This one makes her actually relentless and shows she's far more than a psycho gal, that despite her bloodlust, there's a lot more to her than just being "stabby stabby stab stab" the character. Amazing job with the backstory and her redesign.

I didn't even know she was supposed to resemble a ladybug. I always thought they were going for roach as a way to indicate she's "unkillable" or something.
 
Sometimes I wonder if I'm overdoing it with the Stolas hate, but Helluva Boss fans prove that we need to hate on this owl more, just look at this thread

"IT'S ALL BLITZO'S FAULT" Ignoring that Stolas made it into an arrangement and usually keeps asking to sexually harass Blitzo even when he's busy at work or during family outings

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Yet he humiliates her in public, and her anger really sprung up after he cheated on her, but not only that made it public knowledge. Not to mention did it in the bed she sleeped in. Not to mention cheating on her hurts Octavia living in a normal household, its one thing if he did it when Octavia moved out, but nope, he is hurting the development of his teenage daughter for imp dick.

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He took her to an amusement park and spent most of his time flirting with his boytoy, and only apologized when she was obviously upset. Then when she ran away, he spent most of his time dicking around in Los Angeles and Loona had to find his damn daughter for him. FATHER OF THE YEAR!!!

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Have you ever heard of "Making the best out of a bad situation", she was forced into an arranged marriage with a gay man who doesn't love her, and probably tolerated it until his affairs with a lower class imp were public.

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Stella needing depth is fucking needed so Octavia doesn't look like a massive retard, and this is wrong because Stella has shown to at least care for her family in the past. Also serves her purpose yet is made into a retard to be sidelined so her evil brother can be the bad guy

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Sure he faces consequences, but they're all going to get reversed especially when he never reflects on how his own behavior contributes to his actions.

Octavia is going to fucking forgive him in Season 3 and be okay with his relationship, he'd probably get his power back and even so, he is an immortal being who will get it back after 100 years (otherwise why would Andre be disappointed that it wasn't a lifetime sentence). There's also the fact he still has his lover he can dance and enjoy his time with especially with the season 2 finale being played up as a happy ending.

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He actively ignores his daughter for sex, openly humiliates his wife which causes them to fight each other, and gaslights anyone to make them feel bad like saying Blitzo did nothing to help fight Striker despite him sending his employees to fight him. Yet Stolas doesn't appreciate shit from others.

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"SHE'S EVIL BECAUSE SHE'S A RICH ARISTOCRAT IN HELL"

Yet Stolas is given sympathy despite also being a rich aristocrat, Vassago is treated as a good guy too despite also probably being rich, Asmodeus and Bee are also good guys despite being two of the top dogs in Hell, and fucking Lucifer is a nice guy too despite being the god damn Ruler of Hell.

This excuse is so fucking dumb and I don't need to say why.

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People are allowed to criticize things. Just because a story can function doesn't mean its good. Stories are not god damn math equations.

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Stella was fucking 10 years old and didn't consent to the marriage. Also again she was forced into marriage with a gay man who doesn't love her, which is just as bad as the other way around.

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Even if Stella sexually abused Stolas, again she is forced in a marriage with a gay man and he also sexually abuses Blitzo regularly

Also people feel more bad because Vivzie repeatedly shoves his perspective down your throat so of course you fanboys would feel bad

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Stolas abuses Blitzo regularly, treats his daughter like shit, and is a fucking cheater who is more powerful than his wife. Also what is this feminism bullshit

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Yet you dismiss people feeling bad for Stella as ignoring how abusive she is

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You basically implied Stolas is a sweet baby child whose a good guy

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Stolas saw Blitzo as a sex object and treated him as such, he only ever suddenly saw him as an actual lover when he felt super lonely 7 episodes in the show, and mostly degrades him.

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I AM GOING TO END IT HERE BECAUSE DEAR GOD THERE ARE LIKE 17 MORE REPLIES AND I CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE

READ THEM YOURSELVES IF YOU WANT TOO

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Will say it's really funny that Stella, Striker, and Satan barely had their designs changed, kinda just shows some of the designs needed minor tweaks.
 
I never got the fans accusing Stella of raping Stolas. If I remember correctly, she just said she had to do all the “work” herself. Which to me implies that Stolas was just laying there while she had to get him to finish. Because the whole point of their marriage was for them to have at least one kid. It’s not like they couldn’t not have sex, because then the rest of the family would be like “Ahem, where is baby?” Undoubtedly sucks for both of them, but I don’t think I’d call it sexual assault on either end.
 
I never got the fans accusing Stella of raping Stolas. If I remember correctly, she just said she had to do all the “work” herself. Which to me implies that Stolas was just laying there while she had to get him to finish. Because the whole point of their marriage was for them to have at least one kid. It’s not like they couldn’t not have sex, because then the rest of the family would be like “Ahem, where is baby?” Undoubtedly sucks for both of them, but I don’t think I’d call it sexual assault on either end.
Also given how Vivzie isn't subtle about her writing, she would've had Stolas pull the "rape" card on Stella to make her more hated.

Unless there's a secret Helluva Boss comic where she does it that the show is going to adapt someday.
 
The show wanting to do that like...
Emily in episode 6: How can I bring joy when I now know we are bringing misery to thousands of innocent people?
The "innocent people":
Honestly I’m probably in the minority here but while I don’t mind heaven being evil. It could’ve been interesting to see the characters argue if one's crime (heaven and hell in this case) was somehow excuseable.

I know its been beaten to death as a topic but god the series doesn't show any decent examples of ppl wrongfully in hell.
Like you really expected people to give two shits about a murderer not getting into heaven.
 
Sorry for going back to time, wanted to archive a more readable comic, no offense @Vyse Inglebard

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Vaggie is probably the most wasted character of any of the major cast, on paper she has a good amount going for her, being the princess of Hell's girlfriend, has only been in Hell a couple years so could serve as an audience surrogate, and of course is secretly a former Exorcist who was one of the best ones according to Adam.

But in practice her relationship with Charlie is codependent as fuck (and no characters call her out on it, so I feel the writers might not even realize it given how unsubtle the show is), and her being a fallen Exorcist is literally just used to make Charlie angry at Vaggie for a single episode, the rest of the hotel nor Carmillia remotely give a shit that Vaggie has killed thousands of Sinners.

Said it before but the reveal of her being an exorcist should have been a mid season 2 twist, she's forgiven by Charlie rather quickly because Charlie is all about second chances, but characters like Angel, Husk, and Pentious treat her like the plague and it's not until the season finale do they begin to forgive her for the things she's done.
Vaggie fails as a Angelic character because Lute is just better than her in every way. If Vaggie was a sinner as in the pilot, I'd have no issue with her.
 
Vaggie fails as a Angelic character because Lute is just better than her in every way. If Vaggie was a sinner as in the pilot, I'd have no issue with her.
Would of been great if she did stay a prostitute that killed herself. Adding to the moral grey area. As killing yourself sends you to hell. It could of been that Vaggie being in that lifestyle causes her to internalize the abuse she had in her mortal life, that she thinks she's filthy. And that she even deserves to be punished for her sins she didn't really have a choice in. Charlie could see her as the reason why certain people don't deserve to be in hell, Angel could even have a dynamic where he hates her just because of how much she reminds him of himself currently. All of his bad decisions in life (a foil in a way), could call her a baby and be very hard on her because he doesn't want to confront that side of himself.

I dunno just a thought, I do think Viv sort of shoots herself in the foot with her melted Fujoshit brain.
 

>Also hate they use fujo as an insult

Thanks, that means the insult is working.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm overdoing it with the Stolas hate, but Helluva Boss fans prove that we need to hate on this owl more, just look at this thread

I genuinely can't tell if this guy is genuinely retarded or being disingenuous because their yapping doesn't even make sense. Blitzo had power over Stolas (lol). Stolas cheating is ok because Stella is mean. Stolas totally tries to bond with his daughter by forgetting she exists.

Calling Stella "money obcessed" is the lunatic's cope. Stella was going to kill Stolas without any regards of where the money goes, she only changed her mind because Andre kept pestering her. Why stella haters keep pushing this nonsense narrative???

And then this asshole has the gall to call others "bad faith", "ignoring canon" and "headcanoning" Stella being forced into marriage, as if the little girl ever had a choice, and gatekeep her suffering by saying it doesn't count, proving to be as sexist as vivzie.

The stolas schizos are worse than rwby shippers e keep getting worse everyday.
 
>Also hate they use fujo as an insult

Thanks, that means the insult is working.



I genuinely can't tell if this guy is genuinely retarded or being disingenuous because their yapping doesn't even make sense. Blitzo had power over Stolas (lol). Stolas cheating is ok because Stella is mean. Stolas totally tries to bond with his daughter by forgetting she exists.

Calling Stella "money obcessed" is the lunatic's cope. Stella was going to kill Stolas without any regards of where the money goes, she only changed her mind because Andre kept pestering her. Why stella haters keep pushing this nonsense narrative???

And then this asshole has the gall to call others "bad faith", "ignoring canon" and "headcanoning" Stella being forced into marriage, as if the little girl ever had a choice, and gatekeep her suffering by saying it doesn't count, proving to be as sexist as vivzie.

The stolas schizos are worse than rwby shippers e keep getting worse everyday.
The funniest shit is when they said Stella has to be evil because she's a rich aristocrat in hell, otherwise it wouldn't make sense...

DID THESE STOLAS RETARDS FORGET STOLAS IS ALSO A RICH ARISTOCRAT, HE LITERALLY HAD A MELTDOWN IN THE SEASON FINALE BECAUSE HE'S POOR

 
Sometimes I wonder if I'm overdoing it with the Stolas hate, but Helluva Boss fans prove that we need to hate on this owl more, just look at this thread
The good news: There are some brains still working out there!
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The comments are obviously a mixed bag.
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I just saw this under Goldensand’s comment. What the actual fuck?! :cryblood:
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The good news: There are some brains still working out there!
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I just saw this under Goldensand’s comment. What the actual fuck?! :cryblood:
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Not surprised by the last pic since that one Reddit post(?) about people forgetting that men don’t give birth when Millie was revealed to get pregnant.

Sperg incoming, While I don’t really give two shits about what characters people like but the double standard with Stolas and Stella is interesting to say the least. Like imo, you can’t really say one of them is worse than the other because they are both shitty.
 
Not surprised by the last pic since that one Reddit post(?) about people forgetting that men don’t give birth when Millie was revealed to get pregnant.

Sperg incoming, While I don’t really give two shits about what characters people like but the double standard with Stolas and Stella is interesting to say the least. Like imo, you can’t really say one of them is worse than the other because they are both shitty.
No shit in them both being crap at marriage.

Stella's behavior did drive Stolas to cheat on her but he's once again too spineless to end things or to order her around.

Almost like they never grew up after they learned about the arranged marriage.

Edit: The show makes it very clear that Stella is wearing the pants in their relationship and he's too weak to talk back to her
 
Sperg incoming, While I don’t really give two shits about what characters people like but the double standard with Stolas and Stella is interesting to say the least. Like imo, you can’t really say one of them is worse than the other because they are both shitty.
Most shows would at least have that be the intended audience reaction.

Helluva Boss however is a special boy for openly infantilizing Stolas and acting like he's a good boy who did no wrong and everyone else is at fault, but if is his fault, its all a misunderstanding!
 
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