Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Don't remember if this was already touched on, but it is interesting how it's stated it's uncommon for imps to own/start their own businesses, when, we practically see that all the time in the show, and no one really says anything?

I could excuse the show if it had established a clearer distinction between the lower class imps and... everyone else, besides the goetia being that wealthy 1%. It just seems like the imps are more akin to regular everyday civilians than products from the slums. It isn't helped how the native species of hell are indistinguishable from the sinners either. Imps seem straightforward, but are there people who become hellhounds when they die? Which in this universe are just anthropomorphic dogs with red eyes. What about anthropomorphic birds? What's stopping this undefined system?

Even the 7 deadly sins, in my honest to God opinion, don't feel like old entities. I had this theory in my head a while back that they were just another set of sinners who became overlords because Lucifer liked them or something. They don't feel particularly unique.

I believe Vivziepop could rectify this if she kept the majority of the sinners human, just for ease of distinction, and those who have committed the most heinous of crimes turn into unique creatures, basically indistinguishable from the other inhabitants of hell. This could also stir up more conflict because when the angels come down, they're only there to purge. They don't care who's who, unless it's Charlie, or Lucifer. (They should also cut out the fact that native species are spared because... why would Lucifer even care??) There could be an uprising, lead especially by the V's because they want to keep their greedy triple enterprise on the rise.
 
The more I think about it, thanks to the redo lore of Vox, Velvette being in charge of social media is kind of unnecessary as Vox should have control of all media outlets. She can still run the fashion industry, but got to her position of power due to her alliance with Vox.
I actually do have some lore for Velvet and added her own strengths to her. I was thinking about her being a fashion icon/head of the company, and having her essentially being the Vogue of H.H. Where they push unhealthy beauty standards to others, fake images because they can never be beautiful enough, then try to get press by lying and saying that its "society's fault" for pushing the beauty standards WHEN they just don't want to take accountability and address the issues they are causing people. She would be seen as "nicer" and also be their PR/HR girl who look like this when they completely destroy your career and life.

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(With body horror and other things about her of course not gonna spoil it too much of what's in store)


Thats amazing because whatever you put out makes me happy, also do you think you can sent the redesigns you did in a spoiler.

I'm an idiot at tech sorry. I have no idea how to do that shit on a mobile device so that's why I just do information dumps/ add the image. Its an easy method for my low technical IQ.
 
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Vengeance against the literal demons and evil humans who've killed God's servants. Yeah, I'm sense another Stella situation here.
With a Stella situation it feels like it involves overly demonizing a character just for the sake of making another look good despite them also being in the wrong, in this case Stolas.

Now let's look at how this is likely going to happen in Season 2 with who could be more sympathetic undeservedly to make Lute look unreasonable -

Hotel Cast + Lucifer = All have pretty justifiable reasons to be against Lute given Adam intentionally ordered himself and the exorcists to target them

Emily, Adam's kid, and Saint Peter = They don't even share scenes and would have rights to be sympathetic (at least for now)

Eve/"Lilith" = She's already going to be the main villain

Sera = Likely going to be seen as sympathetic despite being the one who oversees the exterminations while being a massive idiot while Lute is a cog in the machine that she and Adam set up.

Like imagine being a soldier, sent to attack a foreign nation, and suddenly your boss is playing nice despite your boss being the one to set out the attack unprovoked based solely on rumors.
 
The more I think about it, thanks to the redo lore of Vox, Velvette being in charge of social media is kind of unnecessary as Vox should have control of all media outlets. She can still run the fashion industry, but got to her position of power due to her alliance with Vox.
Social media was part of Vox's domain back in pre-series days, hence the Instagram parody being called Voxtagram. All we knew about Velvette before the show was that she makes potions and died in the 2010's. People was just assuming she was the Social Media Overlord because her two seconds of screentime in the pilot was her taking a selfie.
 
Even the 7 deadly sins, in my honest to God opinion, don't feel like old entities. I had this theory in my head a while back that they were just another set of sinners who became overlords because Lucifer liked them or something. They don't feel particularly unique.
I believe that the sameness of characters derives from the fact that all the characters are OCs. Really none of the characters were conceived with the setting in mind.

For Viv, the setting is a big red poster board for her to tape her teenage sketches onto. It only serves as a place for all her characters to exist together. It's also why the internal logic of HH/HB is schizophrenic. Take Stolas. He's a high level demon in hell, yet he is written as a weak willed sop and the only evil he commits is being a poor husband and father. These character traits could be interesting if the setting allowed for it, but Stolas is bailed out at almost every oppurtunity. Even when he is caught and punished (read: slapped on the wrist) he still ends the season with his lover, happy as can be.

The strangest part? Both HH and HB began with interesting premises and settings. Yet, at some point Viv stopped caring and sacrificed everything so she could play with her OCs and give them silly songs to sing.
 
Don't remember if this was already touched on, but it is interesting how it's stated it's uncommon for imps to own/start their own businesses, when, we practically see that all the time in the show, and no one really says anything?

I could excuse the show if it had established a clearer distinction between the lower class imps and... everyone else, besides the goetia being that wealthy 1%. It just seems like the imps are more akin to regular everyday civilians than products from the slums. It isn't helped how the native species of hell are indistinguishable from the sinners either. Imps seem straightforward, but are there people who become hellhounds when they die? Which in this universe are just anthropomorphic dogs with red eyes. What about anthropomorphic birds? What's stopping this undefined system?

Even the 7 deadly sins, in my honest to God opinion, don't feel like old entities. I had this theory in my head a while back that they were just another set of sinners who became overlords because Lucifer liked them or something. They don't feel particularly unique.

I believe Vivziepop could rectify this if she kept the majority of the sinners human, just for ease of distinction, and those who have committed the most heinous of crimes turn into unique creatures, basically indistinguishable from the other inhabitants of hell. This could also stir up more conflict because when the angels come down, they're only there to purge. They don't care who's who, unless it's Charlie, or Lucifer. (They should also cut out the fact that native species are spared because... why would Lucifer even care??) There could be an uprising, lead especially by the V's because they want to keep their greedy triple enterprise on the rise.
Vivzie occasionally forgets about 'show don't tell'.
 
I dunno why Christians would have a problem with a show about how gay people go to hell.
Explanation is because they are offended at anything that trivializes or add nounce to the idea of demons. Seeing Heaven depicted as sadists are basically the final straw for them. They had a field day with that one cartoon that had God live as an animal on Earth as a punishment. Anything that doesn't respect their religion is seen as offensive.

Sorry, that you worship a dead jew on a cross whose birth makes no fucking sense. You meaning to tell me that I could carry a baby if I was a virgin? The only explanation is that if you were raped then that doesn't count as losing your virginity (most victims say that at least.) it's funny seeing Christians spill their spaghetti over shit like that. You survived South Park and Family Guy. You'll survive a cringe ass middle school baby tryhand tranimation.
 
Explanation is because they are offended at anything that trivializes or add nounce to the idea of demons. Seeing Heaven depicted as sadists are basically the final straw for them. They had a field day with that one cartoon that had God live as an animal on Earth as a punishment. Anything that doesn't respect their religion is seen as offensive.
I know it was joek.
 
Anyways. I'd like to see a redesign of the entire Eldritch Family. For some reason the father was named Leviathan or at least was but now it's named Frederick? Am I high or somethin?

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Yep, that was changed because Viv decided to make Levi for HB at the last moment (who apparently was desinged on the spot as she didnt have any actual idea for her design unlike Belphy)

You'll survive a cringe ass middle school baby tryhand tranimation
We talking about people who still believe the notion how "Muh Chirstianity is under attack guyz" and havent dropped that crap since the Bush era. You expect em to have SOME form of chill?
 
Yep, that was changed because Viv decided to make Levi for HB at the last moment (who apparently was desinged on the spot as she didnt have any actual idea for her design unlike Belphy)
Holy fuck, that's the most RETARDEST THING EVER. She could've done something with that. Fuck sake, Seviathan's name doesn't make sense when in mythology Leviathan Von Eldritch is the name of the being iirc.
 
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Yep, that was changed because Viv decided to make Levi for HB at the last moment (who apparently was desinged on the spot as she didnt have any actual idea for her design unlike Belphy)
The Leviathan design sucks, it looks rushed and the bigger snake head doesn't look like it belongs on the body. The concept is fine, but the execution like always with Viv is garbage.
 
I've been sort of floating around with the idea of doing some art of Vox and Charlie together.

Personally I would like the idea of redo Charlie and Vox interacting. As he is a soul with no body (anymore) and she is a body with no soul. Vox himself might gravitate to her and appeal to her "child like ways" and that he is in awe of her adding to the creepiness of the sinners and to add Vox's compulsive tendencies and or predatory instincts.

For me I don't have any feelings towards this piece in particular, I just think that it would be a visually striking piece of story telling and adding this underlining sense of dread. Which is something I would like to incorporate into this show as it was promised. These souls being so depraved and degenerate that they aren't even people anymore they're just hungry animals who lost their humanity many MANY years ago.
Like Charlie is already in the lions den of sinners but now she's going to meet a lion.


Feel free to tell me your thoughts.
 
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