Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Dr. Arinsu]

I've been sort of floating around with the idea of doing some art of Vox and Charlie together.

Personally I would like the idea of redo Charlie and Vox interacting. As he is a soul with no body (anymore) and she is a body with no soul. Vox himself might gravitate to her and appeal to her "child like ways" and that he is in awe of her adding to the creepiness of the sinners and to add Vox's compulsive tendencies and or predatory instincts.

For me I don't have any feelings towards this piece in particular, I just think that it would be a visually striking piece of story telling and adding this underlining sense of dread. Which is something I would like to incorporate into this show as it was promised. These souls being so depraved and degenerate that they aren't even people anymore they're just hungry animals who lost their humanity many MANY years ago.
Like Charlie is already in the lions den of sinners but now she's going to meet a lion.


Feel free to tell me your thoughts.

Forgive me, was Vox inspired by Amanda The Adventurer? With Hameln and the Cultists?

 

[ssaneenah]

Forgive me, was Vox inspired by Amanda The Adventurer? With Hameln and the Cultists?

Dunno, I call him Skibidi Telly.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Dunno, I call him Skibidi Telly.

That's fucking hilarious, he lures kids away because pedo with EPI grooming brainrot. That's so amazing.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Forgive me, was Vox inspired by Amanda The Adventurer? With Hameln and the Cultists?

He is based on the guy that ran "Joy Junction" if anyone knows about that guy. Mixed with Disney (as Vox would make characters to interact with the show like rodger rabbit) with Mansons insanity.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

That's fucking hilarious, he lures kids away because pedo with EPI grooming brainrot. That's so amazing.

That might work if its a modern take, though it might become outdated quickly lol.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

He is based on the guy that ran "Joy Junction" if anyone knows about that guy. Mixed with Disney (as Vox would make characters to interact with the show like rodger rabbit) with Mansons insanity.View attachment 7336579

I remember, JJ iirc was a public access TV show. The guy was obviously a pedo cannibal(?) who was caught with several photos of actual CSEM material. Back when Blameitonjorge still did countdowns he mentioned JoyJunction. I don't know if it was this but that one video that makes me wanna lose it is crazy.
Edit: Peppermint Park was the puppet shit I mentioned but both are equally scary and I made my point

 

[Islamic Jihad Rocket]

The Leviathan design sucks, it looks rushed and the bigger snake head doesn't look like it belongs on the body. The concept is fine, but the execution like always with Viv is garbage.

When I think of Leviathan, I think of a big scary sea serpent, or some kind of fish monster. Something like this:


What we got instead felt rushed as hell, but it does make sense for the Envy theme. I get it, two-faced/two-headed; but it just doesn't fit the whole idea of some sort of fish-themed demon. It looks ugly and rushed to me and the snake head with the human head just doesn't look right to me. Then again, Viv is the same person who designed Beelzebub, who looks nothing like a bug at all and more like some random furry oc you'd see posted on Deviantart or Fur-Affinity. Leviathan looks like she took a Twitter user's oc and repurposed it for her show.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

This was what caught my eye in her playlist. What's so important about 23.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Anyways. I'd like to see a redesign of the entire Eldritch Family. For some reason the father was named Leviathan or at least was but now it's named Frederick? Am I high or somethin?

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So let me tell you a little something about the von Eldritchs. "Frederick" being Leviathan was just a very popular theory among the fandom. It was never actually confirmed by Viv. All Viv ever really said was they they were another rich high-class family that were friends with the Morningstars. The kids went to school together; with Helsa being Charlie's bitter rival, and Sev dating Charlie. What exactly they "are" was never mentioned.

Now, the idea of Frederick being Envy would I think work. The two families are quite similar to one another, even down to their appearances. You could say the von Eldritchs are almost trying to be the Morningstars. Frederick is extremely jealous of Lucifer. Because no matter what he does he will always be one step under the ruler of Hell. So even though he may act friendly towards Lucifer on the outside, inside he really just loathes him. The appearances of them can reflect that as well. What we see is to keep up a public appearance and to look good; but they're actually just hiding their more monstrous forms. We kind of get that with Helsa in the pilot and this one little strip that Viv drew.

Anyway, we do actually see Frederick and Seviathan in the Amazon show. They're on Lucifer's wall.

(The last picture is the best quality I could find).

Now when we will get an actual proper introduction to them, I'm not sure. Season 2 already seems pretty packed, si perhaps season 3?

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

So let me tell you a little something about the von Eldritchs. "Frederick" being Leviathan was just a very popular theory among the fandom. It was never actually confirmed by Viv. All Viv ever really said was they they were another rich high-class family that were friends with the Morningstars. The kids went to school together; with Helsa being Charlie's bitter rival, and Sev dating Charlie. What exactly they "are" was never mentioned.

Now, the idea of Frederick being Envy would I think work. The two families are quite similar to one another, even down to their appearances. You could say the von Eldritchs are almost trying to be the Morningstars. Frederick is extremely jealous of Lucifer. Because no matter what he does he will always be one step under the ruler of Hell. So even though he may act friendly towards Lucifer on the outside, inside he really just loathes him. The appearances of them can reflect that as well. What we see is to keep up a public appearance and to look good; but they're actually just hiding their more monstrous forms. We kind of get that with Helsa in the pilot and this one little strip that Viv drew.View attachment 7337902View attachment 7337905

Anyway, we do actually see Frederick and Seviathan in the Amazon show. They're on Lucifer's wall.
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(The last picture is the best quality I could find).

Now when we will get an actual proper introduction to them, I'm not sure. Season 2 already seems pretty packed, si perhaps season 3?

Wait a minute. Did Lucifer give his shit to his daughter!?

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Now when we will get an actual proper introduction to them, I'm not sure. Season 2 already seems pretty packed, si perhaps season 3?

This was discussed before, but it's interesting to see how they'll be written when they do appear, specifically Seviathan, who comes off as another Chaz. Not helping that his planned debut was in a comic called Exes and Ohs. Speaking of Exes and Oohs...
Viv confirmed on Bluesky that Henroin, Angel Dust's father, is going to appear sometime after Season 2, so it looks like him being a mobster is still canon to his character. Now the question is how they're going to differentiate him from Moxxie without pulling a reverse Stella by having him suddenly act like he did in pre-series despite Season 1 (and probably 2) woobifying him.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Charlie actually having a spine?! Series Charlie would never

 

[Sonya-chan]

Charlie actually having a spine?! Series Charlie would never

You know that if they recreate this in the show, Charlie would just awkwardly glaze at her and say nothing.

 

[The oxymoronic European]

I've been sort of floating around with the idea of doing some art of Vox and Charlie together.

If you find the subject compelling then go for it, man. Your art is very well made and does something most don't bother to do; innovate.

I mean, the fact that you put so much care and thought into the backstories of your art to accentuate it even more, when you could have just posted the redesign and been done with it, really shows how much of a better writer (and artist) you are than Vivz.

For example, Vaggies eyepatch getting drawn by Charlie? More character development in your rewrite through a single line than Vivzie managed in a season.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

You know that if they recreate this in the show, Charlie would just awkwardly glaze at her and say nothing.

Worse, she would cry or get aggressive.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Worse, she would cry or get aggressive.

She'd cry and then get aggressive by pulling rank and dropping her daddy Lucy's name. Or Vaggie would just get angry for her while she feels sorry for herself.

Regardless, a song happens at some point during or after this which takes up a quarter of the episode. Then it's time to introduce a new character.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Worse, she would cry or get aggressive.

Now that you've mentioned it, she's definitely had such a downgrade, before, she would be able to somewhat stick up for herself (as stated before.) but now, she's a doormat for all of Hell to walk over. I mean Viv DID say Charlie's her self insert so what does that make Charlie as her?

Another question for OG Fans of Hazbin would the Pilot Cast be able to beat the Series Cast (I know you all will agree but I really need to see how everyone thinks of them.)

 

[King Metalia]

Charlie actually having a spine?! Series Charlie would never

I've always found it bizarre that Viv would make The Antichrist such a beta.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

She'd cry and then get aggressive by pulling rank and dropping her daddy Lucy's name. Or Vaggie would just get angry for her while she feels sorry for herself.

You see, Pilot Vaggie would get angry for her, as she was a lot more hot headed there then she is in the series. What I meant is Charlie would, or at least look like she's ready to beat someone up in a heartbeat.

The way Jill delivered Charlie calling Katie a bitch in the pilot shows she obviously meant it, but was holding back because she didn't want to resort to saying it and only fought Katie because the latter (presumably) struck first. When Charlie called Susan a bitch in Episode 7, she said so aggressively, if Rosie wasn't there to calm her down, Charlie might've tried punching Susan in the face. The same could be said for Adam and Valentino with her about to go in full demon mode on them, though I can excuse Val, since he did push Angel Dust, and in the planned comic that debuted Carmilla, Charlie goes demon mode trying to protect Vaggie.

But then there's Overture's ending, the smallest, yet biggest instance of Charlie being a woman child as she was going in full demon mode over the fact that the commercial got interrupted by the News. Like jeez, I get your buddies worked hard on it, but take a chill pill, why don't ya

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

But then there's Overture's ending, the smallest, yet biggest instance of Charlie being a woman child as she was going in full demon mode over the fact that the commercial got interrupted by the News. Like jeez, I get your buddies worked hard on it, but take a chill pill, why don't ya

This is definitely Viv.