Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[cryptidfuck]

Stella's VA, Georgina Leahy

She's worked with Brandon for a long while.

And a resume. | archive

 

[The Lawgiver]

Late reply on this subject I know, but you've got me thinking: the scene should've climaxed with a classic ren & stimpy/spongebob-styled "gross close-up", just to REALLY hammer that point home. It's a huge missed opportunity (out of many) for the production team not to do so. Speaking of R&S, just look at this somewhat similarly structured part of a scene from "Fire Dogs" and how better its payoff is in comparison.
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I remember the hazbin pilot used that kind of gag but less for framing someone as ugly and more as the kind of "detailed reaction frame for a split second" version. It's actually in the video compilation of clips I found and sent earlier lmao.

EDIT: Found it isolated.

Personally it could have done with more of the usual over-detail instead of more elaborate shading but the gag still gets across when it happens.

 

[Niggerphobe]

in hh and hb would military go to hell for murder or would viv actually do something smart and have just the African drug lords and the black water types

 

[FK009]

in hh and hb would military go to hell for murder or would viv actually do something smart and have just the African drug lords and the black water types

So, if this followed even a base level of scripture or theology, no, military members would not go to hell for the killing of enemy combatants as the natural assumption is that they would kill you and as such you are right in defending your life and the lives of others. However, I don’t assume that Viv is that meticulous or nuanced when it comes to that, so I suspect that she’d default to ‘Military Bad’ and send everyone to hell if they weren’t a hippy that wanted to make love and not war. Side note: considering their hatred for Nazis, I honestly ponder their reasoning for why WW2 was a good war, but every other war is wrong and bad.

 

[Baphometkun]

It's still entertaining how screwed the writing is when returning to the introduction of the Hazbin Hotel series. It shows Adam and Eve partaking from the fruit which gave them "Free will" instead of the original basis of the Knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve had to have already had free will in the first place to even decide to eat the damn fruit.

 

[The Lawgiver]

It's still entertaining how screwed the writing is when returning to the introduction of the Hazbin Hotel series. It shows Adam and Eve partaking from the fruit which gave them "Free will" instead of the original basis of the Knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve had to have already had free will in the first place to even decide to eat the damn fruit.

I remember other media that's depict it like that and I kinda wonder if that's a result of going of other medias depictions of things instead of looking at the original story they're referencing. Even shit they're pulling from that amounts to biblical fanfic like paradise lost/divine comedy in the first place doesn't fuck that up though so it's like a copy of a copy type of thing where they're likely getting that from some other thing that took inspiration from the things they're yoinking the names and circles and shit from.

Either that or it's just coincidence and solely exists for "heben bayud?" stuff.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So, if this followed even a base level of scripture or theology, no, military members would not go to hell for the killing of enemy combatants as the natural assumption is that they would kill you and as such you are right in defending your life and the lives of others. However, I don’t assume that Viv is that meticulous or nuanced when it comes to that, so I suspect that she’d default to ‘Military Bad’ and send everyone to hell if they weren’t a hippy that wanted to make love and not war. Side note: considering their hatred for Natzis, I honestly ponder their reasoning for why WW2 was a good war, but every other war is wrong and bad.

I remember a lot of people theorizing Sir Pentious was some kind of soldier due to the way he talked and also him wearing a uniform in the finale.

Can't wait to see that become not the case.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

in hh and hb would military go to hell for murder or would viv actually do something smart and have just the African drug lords and the black water types

I'd say it's a case-by-case basis. Someone killing another soldier in self-defense is one thing, but killing civilians is a different story.

 

[The tired cat]

I remember a lot of people theorizing Sir Pentious was some kind of soldier due to the way he talked and also him wearing a uniform in the finale.
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Can't wait to see that become not the case.

It was speculated he was a warlord inventor who worked for the East Indies company. Well, thats out the window with the leaks of him being a shut in hermit inventor.

 

[Niggerphobe]

I'd say it's a case-by-case basis. Someone killing another soldier in self-defense is one thing, but killing civilians is a different story.

What about a sniper that killed mostly soldiers who where eating lunch etc

 

[NSJAP]

I don't even know what Stella is even supposed to be! Is she a peacock? An eagle? Others said swan (ffs I swear if Viv can't draw a SWAN'S BILL to make it identifiable for shit). I'm sure we assumed she was another owl at first. A secretary bird?

I don't think Viv was thinking about real bird species when she created her.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I've seen some sources say Stella's meant to be a pea hen and well....

I can kinda see it. The problem is she's based on a niche species of bird only die hard ornithologists would give a rats ass about.

How hard was it to keep ONE uniform style of having the goeitas all be based on owls? Could have helped with the idea they're all supposed to be the "stuffy snooty snobbish conformists" of hell that I think she was trying to convey with the ones who aren't vassago and stollas.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

How hard was it to keep ONE uniform style of having the goeitas all be based on owls? Could have helped with the idea they're all supposed to be the "stuffy snooty snobbish conformists" of hell that I think she was trying to convey with the ones who aren't vassago and stollas.

She's Andrealphus' sister. The Andrealphus from The Lesser Key of Solomon actually is a peacock, though the sources I can find state that he can appear as a peacock or a human. Regardless, to give Viv a little credit, making her a peafowl didn't come out of nowhere.

 

[Niggerphobe]

What about a sniper that killed mostly soldiers who where eating lunch etc

This gave me an idea for solders that have committed war crimes when they die they get drafted into heaven and kill sinners to redeem themselves

 

[cryptidfuck]

I was curious about something, and found a coincidence.
Orphan Time is about dying children and injured puppies. Look at what's on Mister Roger's website:

Spoiler: mister roger's website

https://www.misterrogers.org/watch/

Why was this short released right as the company reran this monthly episode?
This has got to be a coincidence, right? And not on purpose?

 

[Re(Runner)48]

I was curious about something, and found a coincidence.
Orphan Time is about dying children and injured puppies. Look at what's on Mister Roger's website:

Spoiler: mister roger's website

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https://www.misterrogers.org/watch/

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Why was this short released right as the company reran this monthly episode?
This has got to be a coincidence, right? And not on purpose?

That is beyond horrible.

 

[Mad Hunter]

I was curious about something, and found a coincidence.
Orphan Time is about dying children and injured puppies. Look at what's on Mister Roger's website:

Spoiler: mister roger's website

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https://www.misterrogers.org/watch/

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Why was this short released right as the company reran this monthly episode?
This has got to be a coincidence, right? And not on purpose?

Well, I'll chalk it up to coincidence. However, we don't know people, so I am open to the possibility it was on purpose without confirming anything as of now. If it were indeed intentional, then I'm sure it's a "fuck you evil, straight, white, old man" move.


Also, look at the cope here. They really want Mr. Wiggles to be bad just so their favorite characters can be good. I kinda blame the writing. Aside from turning Helluva Boss into Blitzo's sad love story, they have only shown bad/annoying/asshole people getting killed. How about show some more nice people being killed, too, in place of the Stoliz faggot shit? Like, give IMP a mission only to kill one normal bunch of individuals, then the targets run away, and due to IMP being retarded, they go on a wild goose chase, get carried away in the heat of the moment, and start killing random innocent people.



Viv and the other designers just suck that bad at drawing older people who aren't ugly or funny-looking like the dying Lyle Lipton in S1. Simply add in some lines on Mr. Wiggles's face for the bare minimum!


Or, Mr. Wiggles is that healthy. I've seen a myriad of older people who don't look their age, with little to no grey hairs and minimal wrinkling, and still able to do certain levels of physical activity, even refusing help in moving! He could have even dyed his hair and did plastic surgery - mind you, the people saying he's sacrificing kids are usually all for chopping off your tits to feel good about yourself, but apparently, a one-off character cannot color his hair for personal reasons. Fun fact: a lot of special ed children cannot cope with changes and will lose their shit at the slightest change even in a person's getup, like different lipstick or perfume (I know this because my uncle works with sped kids and he tells us his stories and what he learns). I won't put it past a truly good man like Mr. Wiggles to accept special ed kids, so he can take that into account and dyes his graying hairs and even hides his wrinkles so the special kids can feel safe around him. Of course, the chronically-online watchers won't know this or think about it because all they do is stay indoors all day and goon to Loona.

However, I have a feeling that because of this, Viv is going to bend over to her fans and reveal through even an Easter Egg that Mr. Wiggles is a child trafficker billionaire who stayed young because of Loopty Goopty's anti-aging machine. Like, bitch, grow a spine.

 

[A Grey Cat]

And the sad part is if she does end up going that route it completely ruins the mood I was getting from the original short. That bad things happen to good people, life sucks, live with it.

A "message" the few honest to goodness fans Viv and co have left really need to hear.

 

[Mad Hunter]

And the sad part is if she does end up going that route it completely ruins the mood I was getting from the original short. That bad things happen to good people, life sucks, live with it.

A "message" the few honest to goodness fans Viv and co have left really need to hear.

And that some people are genuinely bad people doing bad things, but can still be good behind the scenes of their bad deeds, though that doesn't excuse them. It could show that IMP's job is already bad enough, and they live up to the label of being evil demons, so why should they be bitchy to each other, adding to the stress of their dangerous job? They only have each other and the only people who'll ever truly accept them are other demons like themselves - fellow demons trying to work to survive another hectic day in hell.

 

[cryptidfuck]

Mr. Wiggles is that healthy.

..Yeah Viv just has some fucked up hate boner for Mr Rogers.
making Wrigglers 74 years old (or insinuating such) is a deliberate writing choice.

I'm sure if anyone points out the similarities Viv will say it's "on purpose!! shut up!!" but this whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth for whatever reason.