Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Operator Core]

Weirdly enough I think Chilling Adventures of Sabrina side this better. Weirdly enough out of the four seasons we never see God or Heaven leaving it unclear what God or heaven is post to be like in the show. We only other see three angels out of the entire of the show. The first two appear in season 2 and well there trying to kill are main characters. Remmber are characters serve the devil who is showing to not be a nice guy.

You know I have to say one show that actually portrayed Heaven and God in a decent light surprisely had to be Lucifer of all shows. I mean compare to Supernatural they had God and Heaven has ultimately good things.

I know just comparing how Heaven and God are portrayed in these four shows that deal heavily with Hell is intresting to be honset

I'm not going to start shitting on Hazbin/Helluva for something it has yet to genuinely tackle. However if my memory serves me I do recall Vivzie stating that the show would be focusing more on the structural culture of Heaven and the inhabitants of its hierarchy over focusing on specific individual angels from "real world lore", she even stated that Lucifer/Lilith would be the extent of the portrayal of specific angel characters.

Of course she also said that Heavenly characters would be more 'otherworldly/floating ball with circles around it' in appearance and less human. Yet the first heaven characters we've see are flying babies and animals. Only god knows if she retconned herself.

Imo I feel like the show is going to lean towards showcasing Heaven as not being as perfect as everyone outside of it assumes. Not a case of Heaven is just Hell but that it has just as many issues as Earth and Hell (though I assume not having to deal with overpopulation).

I would say that I hope the show does not take some easy stereotype of portraying Heaven, but I have to ask how many unique ways are there left to portray it that have not be done elsewhere? There are only so many ways to portray an evil Heaven, good Heaven or a Heaven that is just like Earth but with a white sky.

Perhaps Heaven is also dealing with an overpopulation crisis with its inhabitants trying to escape to Hell just to avoid Heaven's own version of the yearly cleansing. Though that would change the whole plot of the show away from rehabilitating sinners to finding a new home for sinners and heavenly human souls?

 

[Oats12345]

I'm not going to start shitting on Hazbin/Helluva for something it has yet to genuinely tackle. However if my memory serves me I do recall Vivzie stating that the show would be focusing more on the structural culture of Heaven and the inhabitants of its hierarchy over focusing on specific individual angels from "real world lore", she even stated that Lucifer/Lilith would be the extent of the portrayal of specific angel characters.

Of course she also said that Heavenly characters would be more 'otherworldly/floating ball with circles around it' in appearance and less human. Yet the first heaven characters we've see are flying babies and animals. Only god knows if she retconned herself.

Imo I feel like the show is going to lean towards showcasing Heaven as not being as perfect as everyone outside of it assumes. Not a case of Heaven is just Hell but that it has just as many issues as Earth and Hell (though I assume not having to deal with overpopulation).

I would say that I hope the show does not take some easy stereotype of portraying Heaven, but I have to ask how many unique ways are there left to portray it that have not be done elsewhere? There are only so many ways to portray an evil Heaven, good Heaven or a Heaven that is just like Earth but with a white sky.

Perhaps Heaven is also dealing with an overpopulation crisis with its inhabitants trying to escape to Hell just to avoid Heaven's own version of the yearly cleansing. Though that would change the whole plot of the show away from rehabilitating sinners to finding a new home for sinners and heavenly human souls?

I wasn't really shitting on Hazbin Hotel/hellva boss. I was comparing four different shows takes on heaven.

We haven't seen Heaven or God yet really in the hazbin hotel world. Just some angels and that's it.

But with that said it dawn on me that even Supernatural with God being a dick and a bunch of angels being assholes. The show still made it clear heaven was better for souls that Hell. Honselty maybe Vivzie will follow that route. Who knows there's very few ways to go here.

 

[Operator Core]

I wasn't really shitting on Hazbin Hotel/hellva boss. I was comparing four different shows takes on heaven.

We haven't seen Heaven or God yet really in the hazbin hotel world. Just some angels and that's it.

But with that said it dawn on me that even Supernatural with God being a dick and a bunch of angels being assholes. The show still made it clear heaven was better for souls that Hell. Honselty maybe Vivzie will follow that route. Who knows there's very few ways to go here.

I wasn't accusing you of anything, I just badly implied I wanted to avoid doing that.

The only "unique" take I can think regarding Heaven would be if Heaven is not Heaven but where dead sinners go when they die. A sort of repeating afterlife. Its a terrible idea and why I'm not a writer, but I don't know there are many ways to create a 'unique' Heaven that have not already been explored.

I suppose the only path is to take a path and do it really damn well.

 

[Oats12345]

I wasn't accusing you of anything, I just badly implied I wanted to avoid doing that.

The only "unique" take I can think regarding Heaven would be if Heaven is not Heaven but where dead sinners go when they die. A sort of repeating afterlife. Its a terrible idea and why I'm not a writer, but I don't know there are many ways to create a 'unique' Heaven that have not already been explored.

I suppose the only path is to take a path and do it really damn well.

I think the problem is the Corrupted run heaven or the pure good heaven have been done before. So it's difficult to come up with an orginal idea for it.

 

[The handsome tard]

The problem with Heaven and Earth in Helluva Boss is that the show does not take Earth seriously, in turn that may diminish Heaven. Virtually every Human character we've seen in the show is mentally retarded. Humans are presented in the show as hollow, unintelligent and naive. The only serious, well rounded, characters are those from Hell, this includes former humans/sinners.

It is entirely possible our skewed interpretation of Heaven is simply because Helluva Boss does not seem to take these concepts seriously. Heaven is full of seemingly cherub looking, whacky and tight-arse floating animals because that's "funny". Earth is full of stupid humans who mistake a demon for a possum because its "funny".

Thats the problem with Helluva Boss pretty much becoming the "Main" show at this point (and lets face it, it kind of did). It clearly wasnt meant to be taken seriously so could take its interpretations of certain things and locations with a grain of salt as being it all seen from the POV of our Hell native characters instead of mostly composed of sinners (its best to call Hell born demons and people sent to hell as Sinners).

I really feel like Viz intended Hazbin Hotel to come out at least before H.B concluded its first season but Im sure things happened and H.H is still in an ironic developtment hell (I believe things are progressing, just not fast enough than what Viz wanted/expected). I wonder how much of her plans were forced to change, how many ideas she had to "migrate" to H.B because its simply the one that is actually coming out right now.

Also for a "funny" show it kind of seems to love to go into these royal dramas. I almost dare say Viz had this setup and characters before but had to retrofit them into the hell setting (I could be wrong tho), its just a dramatic setup that doesnt need Hell to be done.

It could also be that what we see of heaven is the behind the scenes aspects, the cherubs and deerie are the ones who make heaven work for the souls that get there it doesn't mean that what the souls experience is bureaucracy but it is what the heavenborn deal with, same way that the hellborn deal with the chaotic nature.
Also I assume that Charlie has no idea what heaven is other than it's supposed to be good and safe compared to the fairly dangerous Hell.

That could be possible but I would probably play it safe and establish somewhere that these are the exception and not the rule of how Heaven is functioned but H.B doesnt seem to do that nor want to.

We then would know Heaven isnt what is cranked up to be and just have this tragic apathy towards Charles's goal and we are going to just be watching to see Alastor because he is ultimately right.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Thats the problem with Helluva Boss pretty much becoming the "Main" show at this point (and lets face it, it kind of did). It clearly wasnt meant to be taken seriously so could take its interpretations of certain things and locations with a grain of salt as being it all seen from the POV of our Hell native characters instead of mostly composed of sinners (its best to call Hell born demons and people sent to hell as Sinners).

I really feel like Viz intended Hazbin Hotel to come out at least before H.B concluded its first season but Im sure things happened and H.H is still in an ironic developtment hell (I believe things are progressing, just not fast enough than what Viz wanted/expected). I wonder how much of her plans were forced to change, how many ideas she had to "migrate" to H.B because its simply the one that is actually coming out right now.

Also for a "funny" show it kind of seems to love to go into these royal dramas. I almost dare say Viz had this setup and characters before but had to retrofit them into the hell setting (I could be wrong tho), its just a dramatic setup that doesnt need Hell to be done.

It quite obvious they changed their direction since the pilot. I wouldn't be pointing out all the inconsistencies if it was still focused on an episodic show. But because we're going down a more serious path and focusing on a specific relationship, the problems become more deafening to the story itself.
Speaking of the pilot, did anyone else feel like the characters had a bit more edge to them then? Maybe Blitzo pretty much stayed the same but everyone else's personality felt slightly different. Moxxi felt like he had a bit of a backbone before and actually could dish it out to his boss. Millie felt more than just "Moxxie's southern wife" and had an easygoing, fun attitude to lighten up the mood. Even Loona felt more than just "troubled goth teen" with what we got from the pilot. And I don't think I have to mention Stolas and how drastically different his personality was.
Part of me wishes we got something more like that because that was one of the things I thought was great about the pilot; the way everyone bounced off of each other with their dialogue.

 

[Operator Core]

It quite obvious they changed their direction since the pilot. I wouldn't be pointing out all the inconsistencies if it was still focused on an episodic show. But because we're going down a more serious path and focusing on a specific relationship, the problems become more deafening to the story itself.
Speaking of the pilot, did anyone else feel like the characters had a bit more edge to them then? Maybe Blitzo pretty much stayed the same but everyone else's personality felt slightly different. Moxxi felt like he had a bit of a backbone before and actually could dish it out to his boss. Millie felt more than just "Moxxie's southern wife" and had an easygoing, fun attitude to lighten up the mood. Even Loona felt more than just "troubled goth teen" with what we got from the pilot. And I don't think I have to mention Stolas and how drastically different his personality was.
Part of me wishes we got something more like that because that was one of the things I thought was great about the pilot; the way everyone bounced off of each other with their dialogue.

Pilots often suffer a lot of teething issues and characterization changes, so that's not surprising. As you noted there are quite a few changes such as

• Blitzo goes from the klutz/clown to more of the serious straight man of the group
• Moxxie goes from the straight man to the group's conscious/punching bag/sane man
• Loona just got slightly less edgier, I'd chalk this up to her getting a slight amount of characterization in EP3 Spring Broken
• Millie just got a thicker accent
• Stolas went from utter sexual degenerate only seemingly interested in fucking/being fucked by Blitzto to a more sympathetic and rounded character who is still somewhat of a degenerate (which as we've seen in S2 is, what I would argue, him being sexually/emotionally repressed and misinterpreting Blitzo's actions that Stolas needs to be hardcode porn man)

Honestly I feel Blitzo and Moxxie swapped roles to a degree.

Personally I think the changes are mostly for the better. I do hope Moxxie stops being the gang's punching bag however. The main issues right now really are just a lack of characterization context for Millie and Loona which is why I think they can seem a bit hollow.

 

[The handsome tard]

To touch again on my "the world building was fucked by Helluva Boss" talking point. In H.H, it was easy to assume that Earth was like ours since Hell was another world, one of chaos and random violence so it makes sense its so crazy and different from ours. It was easy to accept that, when you died, you became a physical representation of your sins. It was possible to imagine all the sinner characters as actual IRL humans because you could tell what specific sin got them there and now they are stuck in a world that hates them and they hate it back. Like Alastor said "Up there was only chance they had! Now this is their punish. What is done cant be undone", around those lines. It opened up the imagination.

But with Helluva Boss showing Earth and, by a less extention, Heaven is filled with comical assholes and unpleasant selfish jerks, it removes a lot of the tragedy of the sinner characters. They arent there because they deserve for succumbing into their selfish human desires (and now may or may not be stuck at Hell regretting it for all eternity), they are just following the norm of their world which was always something like Billy and Mandy or South Park (Where everyone is already a bit crazy/evil). It removes the impact of them being in hell and their struggle towards redemption (to a place that seems to be barely better to begin with).

Again, I just think that Viz kind of showed too much (or didnt have a good direction for this world building to begin with) and I fear that people wont care about Hazbin as much as Helluva anymore

 

[Operator Core]

I have to stress that this information is very unreliable and should not be taken at face value, but there's some rumours going around that some "audition sheets" for Hazbin Hotel were leaked onto the internet.

Here's the link.
(If they get taken down I'll upload the images later)

While it mostly shows audition sheets for already known characters, however it also shows audition sheets for several unknown characters, including several angel characters (seemingly two "regular angels" and two exterminator angels, one of whom is apparently the original "Adam" and is the leader of the exterminators). The sheets also would infer some information that was unknown or ambiguous about some characters.

While one of the biggest reasons to think this is fake is that a lot of the images shown for the established characters appears to be fanart, although some of the images are also new one's that have not been seen before and do conform to the newest design iterations. However I've read from some people that apparently Viv was quite unhappy when she was told about this "leak" on some site which might lead some credence to the leak. However I have no substantiated proof to confirm any of this.

On the balance of probabilities I'd say these are fake, but there's always a chance.

 

[AnOminous]

On the balance of probabilities I'd say these are fake, but there's always a chance.

Bummer, no Baxter.

 

[Elpizo]

Bummer, no Baxter.

Niffty, Val, Tom, Katie and Lilith are missing too.

 

[Operator Core]

Niffty, Val, Tom, Katie and Lilith are missing too.

Seeing how the document has the character Mimzy, a little known minor character, I have to suspect this is a incomplete image set. Reinforced by the page numbers on the images being out of order.

On the one hand using fanart for internal documents on this kind of show feels wrong. However the fact some of the art is unique, high quality and consistant feels like this might be the real deal.

Again, I still edge towards elaborate fake but I won't discount anything.

 

[AnOminous]

Again, I still edge towards elaborate fake but I won't discount anything.

If it is a fake, whoever did it should get a job on the show and Vivzie can get her revenge by exploiting them ruthlessly.

 

[thinking about mr hands]

I have to stress that this information is very unreliable and should not be taken at face value, but there's some rumours going around that some "audition sheets" for Hazbin Hotel were leaked onto the internet.

Here's the link.
(If they get taken down I'll upload the images later)

While it mostly shows audition sheets for already known characters, however it also shows audition sheets for several unknown characters, including several angel characters (seemingly two "regular angels" and two exterminator angels, one of whom is apparently the original "Adam" and is the leader of the exterminators). The sheets also would infer some information that was unknown or ambiguous about some characters.

While one of the biggest reasons to think this is fake is that a lot of the images shown for the established characters appears to be fanart, although some of the images are also new one's that have not been seen before and do conform to the newest design iterations. However I've read from some people that apparently Viv was quite unhappy when she was told about this "leak" on some site which might lead some credence to the leak. However I have no substantiated proof to confirm any of this.

On the balance of probabilities I'd say these are fake, but there's always a chance.

Mimzy was in one of Vizzie’s videos as Meghan Trainor and is more of a Charlie prototype than anything

It might be worth going through old videos because there’s something slightly off about these designs, they don’t look exactly like the Hazbin look, even considering that there’s new artists on it.
It feels more like it’s an imitation who went through Vizzie’s old content and took inspiration from prototypes/concepts to make a believable leak.
Which is kind of convincing, but there’s something slightly off about the art style that makes it not feel like the source which is why I’m skeptical

 

[Operator Core]

Mimzy was in one of Vizzie’s videos as Meghan Trainor and is more of a Charlie prototype than anything

It might be worth going through old videos because there’s something slightly off about these designs, they don’t look exactly like the Hazbin look, even considering that there’s new artists on it.
It feels more like it’s an imitation who went through Vizzie’s old content and took inspiration from prototypes/concepts to make a believable leak.
Which is kind of convincing, but there’s something slightly off about the art style that makes it not feel like the source which is why I’m skeptical

Assuming the images are real, it's possible the document and the drawings were made months ago, even up to a year. Furthermore if these drawings were just intended as an internal referance and not for public release then the quality being less great is logical

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So while kiwi farms was down, I heard that Helluva Boss was trending on Twitter with people complaining about a certain review. Even Vivzie Pop responded to one of the comments. So of course I had to see how bad this review was and...

Just Twitter being Twitter with taking one or two sentences out of context and overexageratting as usual. The review itself (while the title might be clickbaity) actually brings up some good points and I recommend watching it. Just goes to show how many fans don't want to hear any critique on their favorite show.
Probably later this week I'll make a few posts on some things that have come to my mind but don't quote me on that.

 

[keeptheshitshowgoing]

So while kiwi farms was down, I heard that Helluva Boss was trending on Twitter with people complaining about a certain review. Even Vivzie Pop responded to one of the comments. So of course I had to see how bad this review was and...

Just Twitter being Twitter with taking one or two sentences out of context and overexageratting as usual. The review itself (while the title might be clickbaity) actually brings up some good points and I recommend watching it. Just goes to show how many fans don't want to hear any critique on their favorite show.
Probably later this week I'll make a few posts on some things that have come to my mind but don't quote me on that.

Like I said, most of the HB fandom is like a cult in regards to stolitz.
If it has the chance to portray Stolas and Blitzø as questionable, it's wrong.

 

[AnOminous]

So while kiwi farms was down, I heard that Helluva Boss was trending on Twitter with people complaining about a certain review. Even Vivzie Pop responded to one of the comments. So of course I had to see how bad this review was and...

People need to quit tisming out about different opinions. Personally I liked the episode but you can't deny it Flanderized Stella and not in a good way.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

People need to quit tisming out about different opinions.

My brother in Christ, where do you think you are?

 

[Elpizo]

Well, Sir Pentious received a redesign.

Spoiler: Have a look while you can.