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Well, Sir Pentious received a redesign.

It's a goddamn shame that Stamper won't voice him. Not only because the new management of HH won't allow it, he himself is on a drug fueled downward spiral. Hell, it's a goddamn shame what happened to Stamper overall, the man had a real talent, and now he will most likely OD.

And Joe Gran is just a fag, fuck him lmfao
 
It's a goddamn shame that Stamper won't voice him. Not only because the new management of HH won't allow it, he himself is on a drug fueled downward spiral. Hell, it's a goddamn shame what happened to Stamper overall, the man had a real talent, and now he will most likely OD.

And Joe Gran is just a fag, fuck him lmfao
I knew right away that Stamper wasn't coming back, the guy is completely off his rocker, and frankly I'm surprised Viv even brought him on to begin with. Sad because like you said he has legit talent, he played Pentious really well. I doubt whoever replaces him will be able to capture that same chaotic energy.
 
It's time for another overanalytical rambling critique of the Helluva Boss show, the topic today being:
Why Stella Isn't a Well-Written Villain

There is somewhat of a split in the fandom on whether Stella's character was retconned, or if the team decided to take the easy route to make the end goal of Stolitz more reachable, but we're not going to discuss that as that is not the focus. Instead, we'll be focusing on the aspect that is missing to make Stella a compelling character and that is a motive.
Every good and memorable villain has some sort of motive that drives them to do what they do. In fact, you could say that for any well-writtren character needs some sort of motive as their actions, way of talk, and even personality traits circle around that very aspect. And in season 1, you could argue that Stella had a motive, even if it was fairly simple.
In episode 2 season 1, it's pretty much well established that this affair has been going for quite a while and this wasn't just a "one time thing". We can see why she wouldn't want to see his "imp-sucking-face". Now people will argue and say that shows that she's more upset about him sleeping with an imp instead of the cheating itself, but I believe it's a combination of both the cheating and doing with a lower class, as well as the fact he's not trying to hide it much.
We can debate whether or not Stella ever did love him, or if she was just using him for status, but we do know that image and reputation is very important to her. This is a huge embarrassment to not only her and Stolas, but to Octavia as well being the precautionary heir. In her mind, Stolas has ruined everything.
So what can she do? Distance herself from the problem of course. But she's still living under his roof, she's surrounded by all his stuff, and even the bed that she sleeps in has been tainted by this. Even if she destroys it all, it doesn't deal with the problem at hand since he's still around, doing the same shit that gotten her in this mess in the first place. So what now? She could get rid of the imp, but he could always just find another one since she thinks he just wants to fuck any imp. No, she has to stop the problem at the root, and that would end up being Stolas.
If he's gone, the whole affair would be over. That's why she calls the hit man. We might even be able to suggest that she calls right in front of him as a warning sign, to stop all this funny business. But he doesn't. So she leaves, a temporary solution for the time. He's not going to stop unless she gets involved herself. That's her motive.
But now, it's revealed that her image and reputation aren't that big a deal for her since she doesn't put up any sort of act in public. She's just a bitch who badmouths her husband and doesn't care how people perceive her. And she doesn't want to have nothing to do with her husband to the point of having him killed, no, she wants to stay and torment him because...she's just sadistic like that? But she also does care about her reputation since she's concern about what the Ars Goetia think, even though it didn't seem like she care about during the whole scene before...see how confusing it gets? It's less about her being sympathetic or being three-dimensional, it's more the fact that there's no established motive for her anymore. She's just some obstacle that is used for a plot device, and not a very good or interesting one at that.
Next time: Stolas' and Blitzø's Affair and what Affect it has on Hell's Rules and Standing
 
I think the biggest issue with Stella can be boiled down to what many others here have already said; the shows been transitioning from a straight and wacky comedy into a semi-serious comedy drama and the show sometimes has moments where it bounces between the two a bit.

Honestly, I think that explains a lot of H.B's flaws, having a show transition from one kind of tone to another is always going to have some issues. Yeah, considering the show has taken on a more serious and continuity focused tone, you'd expect Stella to be a more complex villain. But when you remember the show was originally going to be almost completely comedy focused until likely late in production and you account for the massive number of things the staff likely had to change to accommodate a new tone, it makes a bit more sense. Likely Viv initially wrote Stella as a one dimension villain and decided, among the massive list of all the other things that she needed to change, that making her more neuanced didn't make the cut and/or she just didn't envision her as anything more then a two dimensional villain and all the speculation about her was people just putting things together that weren't quite there or were just happenstance.

I don't know, all I know is the H.B is better then 90% of what's on T.V/ streaming services right now and I get it for free.
 
Like I said, most of the HB fandom is like a cult in regards to stolitz.
If it has the chance to portray Stolas and Blitzø as questionable, it's wrong.

Its funny how Stolas started off as a degenerate Weinstein type that clearly is cheating on his wife and is only in for his own pleasure (the types twitter, understandably in this case, hates) but as soon as they give him a sad backstory and some personality, suddenly they fucking root for him at least and worship him at most.

Im just getting Bojack Horseman vibes from this whole thing, the "we are following an awful person or people but because the viewers get disturbingly attached to #relatable characters, its all forgive/fine"

Stolas always felt like what Rick Sanchez would describe as a "predator that acts like prey so people will feel sorry for him and thats how he gets them" (and this is coming from someone that hates Rick Sanchez).

Even if we take Stolas at the best face value, its clear he is doing all of this to rebel against the system where he barely had any choice in the matter. Cheating on his wife makes him feel free and powerful, especially if its on a "lower" life form like an Imp.

Again, I dont mind shitty characters in, you know, Hell but its clear that Vizie (or at least the fanbase) wants to have their shipping cake and eat it too. And we know the shipping crowd isnt known to be the most...*clean throat* sane bunch out there, especially the ones that involves homosexuality AND one of the members clearly being far more powerful than the other member of the relationship. There are some traits of the "I can fix him/ He isnt so bad" attraction towards these types of characters in the mix, which, needless to say, aint healthy.

But I guess it could be me just looking too deeply into this...
Well, Sir Pentious received a redesign.


So it seems he will be a recurrent villain even tho he seemed "extra" dead at the end of the pilot...unless they retcon that.
It's a goddamn shame that Stamper won't voice him. Not only because the new management of HH won't allow it, he himself is on a drug fueled downward spiral. Hell, it's a goddamn shame what happened to Stamper overall, the man had a real talent, and now he will most likely OD.

As it goes, true talent usually gets followed up by drugs, addictions and at best the death of the career, at worst the death of the person.
 
It's time for another overanalytical rambling critique of the Helluva Boss show, the topic today being:
Why Stella Isn't a Well-Written Villain

There is somewhat of a split in the fandom on whether Stella's character was retconned, or if the team decided to take the easy route to make the end goal of Stolitz more reachable, but we're not going to discuss that as that is not the focus. Instead, we'll be focusing on the aspect that is missing to make Stella a compelling character and that is a motive.
Every good and memorable villain has some sort of motive that drives them to do what they do. In fact, you could say that for any well-writtren character needs some sort of motive as their actions, way of talk, and even personality traits circle around that very aspect. And in season 1, you could argue that Stella had a motive, even if it was fairly simple.
In episode 2 season 1, it's pretty much well established that this affair has been going for quite a while and this wasn't just a "one time thing". We can see why she wouldn't want to see his "imp-sucking-face". Now people will argue and say that shows that she's more upset about him sleeping with an imp instead of the cheating itself, but I believe it's a combination of both the cheating and doing with a lower class, as well as the fact he's not trying to hide it much.
We can debate whether or not Stella ever did love him, or if she was just using him for status, but we do know that image and reputation is very important to her. This is a huge embarrassment to not only her and Stolas, but to Octavia as well being the precautionary heir. In her mind, Stolas has ruined everything.
So what can she do? Distance herself from the problem of course. But she's still living under his roof, she's surrounded by all his stuff, and even the bed that she sleeps in has been tainted by this. Even if she destroys it all, it doesn't deal with the problem at hand since he's still around, doing the same shit that gotten her in this mess in the first place. So what now? She could get rid of the imp, but he could always just find another one since she thinks he just wants to fuck any imp. No, she has to stop the problem at the root, and that would end up being Stolas.
If he's gone, the whole affair would be over. That's why she calls the hit man. We might even be able to suggest that she calls right in front of him as a warning sign, to stop all this funny business. But he doesn't. So she leaves, a temporary solution for the time. He's not going to stop unless she gets involved herself. That's her motive.
But now, it's revealed that her image and reputation aren't that big a deal for her since she doesn't put up any sort of act in public. She's just a bitch who badmouths her husband and doesn't care how people perceive her. And she doesn't want to have nothing to do with her husband to the point of having him killed, no, she wants to stay and torment him because...she's just sadistic like that? But she also does care about her reputation since she's concern about what the Ars Goetia think, even though it didn't seem like she care about during the whole scene before...see how confusing it gets? It's less about her being sympathetic or being three-dimensional, it's more the fact that there's no established motive for her anymore. She's just some obstacle that is used for a plot device, and not a very good or interesting one at that.
Next time: Stolas' and Blitzø's Affair and what Affect it has on Hell's Rules and Standing
Learn to use paragraphs. You had a couple points in there but I am going to ignore them because your format upsets me and fails to comport with my concept of decorum.

Also FUCK STELLA and she deserves to get Flanderized as the evil cunt she is, I'm on Team Stolas forever.
 
Learn to use paragraphs. You had a couple points in there but I am going to ignore them because your format upsets me and fails to comport with my concept of decorum.

Also FUCK STELLA and she deserves to get Flanderized as the evil cunt she is, I'm on Team Stolas forever.
I would go back and edit the post, but the button is no longer there, but I shall remember that for next time.

And I wouldn't mind Stella being an evil cunt if it was more comedic. The first episode of season 2 made her so forcibly evil that I can't even enjoy hating her. She's just uninteresting.
 
So it seems he will be a recurrent villain even tho he seemed "extra" dead at the end of the pilot...unless they retcon that.
If you watch the pilot there is an after-credits scene showing Pentious crawling out of his blimps wreckage alive. I'm personally more surprised they brought him back considering his original VA failed a sanity check and turned insane a few years ago, but the character has been quite popular amongst the fandom and new VA's are always available.

In terms of fucking Stella. There are a lot of ways the show can go with her, and we are only into the first episode of the season. But as I've echoed before I really hope the series moves past the Stella versus Stolas subplot and focuses more on the actual Imps and their actions instead of soap opera: hell edition.

I'd wager this Stella subplot will form a sorta overarching plot that'll be explored/concluded/teased by Negan with a baseball bat for a season finale at the end of this second season.
 
If you watch the pilot there is an after-credits scene showing Pentious crawling out of his blimps wreckage alive. I'm personally more surprised they brought him back considering his original VA failed a sanity check and turned insane a few years ago, but the character has been quite popular amongst the fandom and new VA's are always available.

In terms of fucking Stella. There are a lot of ways the show can go with her, and we are only into the first episode of the season. But as I've echoed before I really hope the series moves past the Stella versus Stolas subplot and focuses more on the actual Imps and their actions instead of soap opera: hell edition.

I'd wager this Stella subplot will form a sorta overarching plot that'll be explored/concluded/teased by Negan with a baseball bat for a season finale at the end of this second season.
This I really hope the entire season isn't just a hell soap opera. Or at the very least it makes it actually entertaining beyond what is shown which is just aggressively okay.
 
In terms of fucking Stella. There are a lot of ways the show can go with her, and we are only into the first episode of the season. But as I've echoed before I really hope the series moves past the Stella versus Stolas subplot and focuses more on the actual Imps and their actions instead of soap opera: hell edition.
I mean, the Stella subplot is useful in giving the Imps story hooks. For example, Striker is still a threat, and it looks like he will appear this season.
 
I mean, the Stella subplot is useful in giving the Imps story hooks. For example, Striker is still a threat, and it looks like he will appear this season.
Of course. As we are only in the first episode its too early to make grand declarations of what the show is and is not focusing on.

For all I know this first episode will be the only one that significantly focuses on the Stella/Stolas family drama and every other episode will mostly be "monster of the week" style episodes only occasionally broken up by call-backs to this overarching Stella/Stolas plotline.

Perhaps Viv and the writers thought they had to get this plot point out first to contextualise future episodes and so they decided to dump it all out at once. Frankly we also have no idea what the true season finale of Season 1 was going to give us, so who knows if some information was missed that had to be reinserted or altered later for season 2.
 
I mean if we want to stick with my unreliable narrator theory it could be that Stolas' has warped his memories with Telenovela and booze.
Ties into my (at this point, personal) canon that Stolas has just deluded himself into thinking Blitzø was around longer than he actually has been, even going so far to pretend he was at one of his shows.
 
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