Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

It is tragically ironic that we — people at Kiwi Farms who shit on HH constantly — care more about the show than its own fucking creator does.

I'm honestly surprised this thread is still pretty active when we are over a month removed from season 1.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

I'm honestly surprised this thread is still pretty active when we are over a month removed from season 1.

This thread was pretty active when the show was just a single pilot for years. I think the show struck a nerve with it’s potential as an edgy “smart” show about demons and souls in hell all while being an indie animation in a dark/dry period of animation in general. It ticked all the right autism boxes for this site.

 

[Cave Fisher]

This thread was pretty active when the show was just a single pilot for years. I think the show struck a nerve with it’s potential as an edgy “smart” show about demons and souls in hell all while being an indie animation in a dark/dry period of animation in general. It ticked all the right autism boxes for this site.

Basically the pilot got lucky and was a well animated indie pilot that came out at just the right time, promising interesting themes and ideas nobody knew it was too immature to handle.
Then years later, it finally came out, and nobody cared because TADC and the Verbalase incident stole all the thunder from the show for both being animated much better than it, all the goodwill in it was slowly eroded when Helluva Boss showed us Viv can't actually write, the same platform HH's on has fucking Invincible, and having gays in cartoons isn't really a new and hip thing anymore.

 

[Seafarer]

I'm honestly surprised this thread is still pretty active when we are over a month removed from season 1.

At least for me, the reason I keep talking about HH is that it is probably the biggest waste of potential I’ve seen for a narrative TV show. When I think of how the concept could have been executed it genuinely breaks my heart. In my spare time I find myself thinking about what could be done to rewrite the story and keep thinking of concepts that are incredibly interesting to me, and I feel would probably be interesting to a lot of other people as well. Of course I have no ability to make such things come to fruition.

I think this series was always destined for the path it took of being “lol penis” comedy with a 2000’s teenage atheist view of Christian concepts, just because of the person who made it. But that just makes the whole thing more tragic. It’s like a retard winning the lottery and completely squandering all of it on stupid shit.

 

[CyrusHowler]

Make Hazbin Hotel Great Again.
Pilot Gang rise up.

We should take the Prime series, and push it somewhere else….
We should make our own Hazbin Hotel….With Blackjack and Hookers!

Is there anyone here who believes in this thing?

Ain’t no way this Mf tryna compare Jaws to Hazbin…

 

[Seventh Star]

This thread was pretty active when the show was just a single pilot for years. I think the show struck a nerve with it’s potential as an edgy “smart” show about demons and souls in hell all while being an indie animation in a dark/dry period of animation in general. It ticked all the right autism boxes for this site.

For a while most of the thread was about Helluva Boss. I don't know why it wasn't just split in two but whatever.

In my spare time I find myself thinking about what could be done to rewrite the story and keep thinking of concepts that are incredibly interesting to me, and I feel would probably be interesting to a lot of other people as well. Of course I have no ability to make such things come to fruition.

Is it even worth it to use your spare brain power to save some idiot's show, when it's not even my show or yours? Just use some of the few good ideas to make a whole new show. It sucks that Angel as a design and concept was wasted on this but at this point I'm kind of over it.

 

[The Deep State]

This show is basically a children's cartoon with sex and swearing shoved into it. I guess that's all it takes for something to qualify as "adult animation". There really ought to be a separate category like "special-needs adult animation" or something.

A lot of you tards are passive-aggressively simmering about the non-existent reddit atheism in this show when it's really the atheists who should be annoyed. I was promised something edgy and subversive about how demons are actually the good guys and all I got was gay drama, shitty musicals, juvenile dialogue, a lackluster plot, and some more rainbow/tranny shit. It even follows the Biblical canon moreso than it deviates from it (Hell is a festering shithole full of shitty people, heaven is objectively better, etc.).

Also, I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet but in Helluva Boss, the human world is ultra diverse right up until people need to start dying gruesome deaths, and then it's only white people dying. Go rewatch it and you won't be able to unsee it now. I dropped it by ep. 5 or 6 (too much rainbow) but I'm willing to bet the pattern continues. There was just one ambiguous-looking guy shot by Blitz and that was about it.

VivzieFat is like a dumber female version of Vaush.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Delusional article I found about Alastor/Hazbin Hotel

Hazbin Hotel crafted TV’s best villain ever

• Despite its Disney-esque soundtrack and cute, cartoon feel, Hazbin Hotel has crafted one of TV’s best ever villains in the deliciously devilish Alastor.

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When I went to see Spider-Man in the cinema as a small, doe-eyed six-year-old, I cried my eyes out the moment Willem Defoe’s Green Goblin met his grisly demise. My parents were urging me to be sad for Spidey, whose saga of strife is the primary thrust of the film, but no – the Green Goblin was my hero, and Spidey the diabolical villain. Ever since then, my sympathies have always leaned towards the antagonist; in video games I’ve empathized with Diablo 4’s Lilith and World of Warcraft’s Sylvanas Windrunner, and in film I’ve always appreciated the sheer might of the best villains ever – The Lord of the Rings’ Sauron, for example. Yet, TV has never quite managed to produce an antagonist that I’ve fallen head over heels in love with – until Hazbin Hotel’sAlastorstrutted onto the scene, smile flashing, oozing malice.
For those who haven’t heard of Prime Video’s latest triumph (it currently holds the record for the largest global debut for a new animated series), Hazbin Hotel is the story of Charlie Morningstar (Erika Henningsen), the daughter of Lucifer Morningstar (Jeremy Jordan), ruler of hell. Her quest is to rehabilitate sinners in a dilapidated, 1920s-esque hotel that screams Disney’s Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, in turn helping them ascend to the pearly gates and, in turn, to heaven. As you can likely imagine, that’s not going very well for her.
She has a merry band of misfits by her side in the form of adult film star Angel Dust (Blake Roman), her long-suffering partner Vaggy (Stephanie Beatriz), as well as the hotel’s somewhat dysfunctional staff, including self-professed gambling addict Husk (Keith David) and the only vaguely terrifying Nifty (Kimiko Glenn). Yet, of all her allies, it’s Alastor (Amir Talai), the red-clad Radio Demon that has won the hearts of many oh so many.
His voice is laced with static, reflecting that big, bold 1920s feel, and through a mass of red hair sprouts small deer-like antlers and huge black and red ears. What’s vaguely disconcerting, however, is the fact that he’s always wearing a wide, yellow-toothed grin – even as he brutally murders a squad of unfortunate loan sharks who just so happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. TLDR: Alastor just gives you the creeps.

And yet, across our eight-episode journey, you’re left with this conflicting sense that, somehow, he’s the good guy. He helps Charlie with the angels, he rebuilds the hotel anytime someone blows up that one wall, and he’s slowly but surely managed to integrate with the hotel’s residents. In the final episode, we see him chat to Nifty ahead of the battle against Adam, stating “it’s been a surprising thrill to witness these wayward souls find connection, almost makes one sentimental, eh Nifty?” Following her revelation that she gets to “put on cockroach puppet shows” without negative feedback, he replies “an enjoyable collective to be around, I admit one could get accustomed.”
It’s a wholesome little moment that has left us all thinking “wait, is he actually looking for redemption all along?” Is Alastor the good guy our hearts silently hope he is all along? Looks like you – like me – have fallen for the Radio Demon’s plotting.

Despite that cute little moment between genuine psychopaths, there’s strands throughout the final episodes that clearly mark Alastor as a continued threat. In ‘Hello Rosie,’ during the horrendously catchy ‘Ready for This’ he and the titular cannibal sing “like her daddy, she is madly powerful.” Alastor responds with “she’s filled with potential that I could guide,” with the segment ending “stick with her, you’ll be on the winning side.”
It’s a thread that continues in ‘The Show Must Go On,’ where, following the events with Adam, he sings “I’m hungry for freedom like never before / Once I figure out how to unclip my wings / Guess who will be pulling all the strings.” While the others mourn the loss of the hotel and their scaly friend, Sir Pentious, Alastor’s mind is on power – and how to get it. Hazbin Hotel is an afterthought; a means to a potentially disastrous end. Some things, my friends, never change.
Not only has Alastor duped Charlie and (most) of her friends, he’s duped us as an audience. There are flickers of a ‘good guy’ – the “Alastor altruist that died for his friends” – but it’s all an elaborate facade. To quote him, “that’s not where this ends.”
Yet I’ve fallen for it, you’ve fallen for it; we’re still convinced that, somehow, Alastor is still the good guy. We’re rooting for him, we want him to get that power, no matter the cost and what he does with it. For the first time in my life, I’m ready to admit that there’s a TV villain that I am genuinely rooting for in the same way as Sylvanas and Lilith – in fact, maybe even more so.

It’s a testament to Hazbin Hotel’s already stellar writing – as if the songs weren’t catchy enough. From day one of Hazbin Hotel – a long five years ago – we’ve known Alastor is bad, and we still know he’s bad, yet we trust him anyway. In a show about being redeemed, Alastor embodies the unredeemable. He’s Charlie’s antithesis, and will likely be the one thing that brings her dreams crashing down in tatters despite his outward attempts to elevate them. We should hate him, yet he and, by proxy, the writing team, have somehow convinced us to love him.
If he does become the big endgame boss that Charlie has to face off with, who will we be rooting for – our lovable protagonist, or her enemy? It should be the former, yet I feel like, for many, it’d be the latter. Alastor’s very presence changes the dynamic of the show, but not in the way Suicide Squad or other movies do. Where Harley and co become lovable anti-heroes for a few hours, Alastor is a villain through and through, and Hazbin Hotel isn’t hiding it for convenience.
I don’t know what he’s going to do next, and that’s why I’m so desperate to see more of him. It’s why I’m so desperate for season two. Hazbin Hotel has crafted the perfect villain in Alastor – one who is so blatantly amoral, yet somehow still likeable.
Perhaps my fascination with him says a little too much about my psyche, but then again, when I was six years old I was crying over the Green Goblin. Fast forward twenty-something years, and now I’m crying over something that’s much, much worse – and, you guessed it, I’m okay with it – just don’t tell my parents.

 

[Seventh Star]

I ain't reading that mental vomit, but damn you were a faggot kid if you cried over Green Goblin.

Oh, that's a tranny. Figures.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

This video that I found I'd a good take on not only Hazbin Hotel's writing, but modern writing in general. I suggest taking a watch.

 

[Roger Dennis]

@Doctor of Autism I can name, like, 20 other TV villains who are infinitely better than Alastor.

I wouldn’t even put this Marty Stu in the top 100.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

Delusional article I found about Alastor/Hazbin Hotel

So just having ulterior motives makes him the best villain?

this article is just someone so horny for Alastor that he didn't even pay attention to the scenes and calls it stellar writing.

an example of the show's real target audience.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Discontent is spreading

 

[Retink Retunk]

Basically the pilot got lucky and was a well animated indie pilot that came out at just the right time, promising interesting themes and ideas nobody knew it was too immature to handle.

Even back then people were raising alarm bells as I remember seeing videos in defense of a lot of the issues that sounded hollow even back then, but back then it was easy to overlook those issues because the show had enough going for it to give it the benefit of the doubt. Hell'uva Boss come out and had a strong couple of first episodes but then fell off quick with the retarded preachiness about capitalism being bad or whatever. The reality was, that the show was as shallow as initial critics feared if not even more so.

 

[Seventh Star]

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Discontent is spreading

Why does this cope about "later seasons" or "the game improves later" permeate every bit of media lately? If you can't give me a decent first impression what you made is worthless.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

I know there’s been a lot of arguments and sperging about how Vivziepop possibly views religion. If it matters, there is this Zoophobia comic that might give you some ideas…

Spoiler: Long and edgy

That demon furry is supposed to be the Antichrist by the way.
“But Snowfall! Vivzie probably made this when she was a teenager or young adult!”
I mean yeah, probably. But considering the way she still acts like a teenager, it wouldn’t surprise me if she still holds on to some of those feelings.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

This show is basically a children's cartoon with sex and swearing shoved into it. I guess that's all it takes for something to qualify as "adult animation". There really ought to be a separate category like "special-needs adult animation" or something.

They guys who made Space King call it "Animation for mentally ill teenage girls".

 

[Tablet County]

his show is basically a children's cartoon with sex and swearing shoved into it. I guess that's all it takes for something to qualify as "adult animation". There really ought to be a separate category like "special-needs adult animation" or something.

I mean at least it's honest with who it's aimed towards. It's not like a Steven Universe where they claim to be a kid's show when the target audience is cartoon spergs.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Delusional article I found about Alastor/Hazbin Hotel

Come to think of it, I can't help but shake the feeling that a lot of the press Hazbin's got post-Season 1 feels manufactured. Like, either the pr0gs need something to latch onto when we're in a bit of a dry spell for things to draw fan art of, or people are trying to manufacture this as "the next big thing" for a variety of reasons. It being used by content farms is evidence of this.

 

[Tablet County]

Come to think of it, I can't help but shake the feeling that a lot of the press Hazbin's got post-Season 1 feels manufactured. Like, either the pr0gs need something to latch onto when we're in a bit of a dry spell for things to draw fan art of, or people are trying to manufacture this as "the next big thing" for a vareity of reasons. It being used by content farms is evidence of this.

Or they got purchased by a big company with a big marketing department.