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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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Doctor of Autism said:
If they're boring no one gives a shit, since I don't think the fans romanticize Moxxie's generic mob boss dad.
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Oh they certainly do, just not to the same extent as Mammon. As in, they always ship Crimson with his canonically gay bodyguard.
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Aero the Alcoholic Bat said:
Maybe it's because young adults are increasingly becoming too immature to date or get married or get laid, so they latch onto shipping fictional characters to fill the void.

It's also why many of them have such a poor understanding of how romantic relationships even work.
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Why is it mostly women obsessed with shipping?
 
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Trollblade69 said:
Because it's mostly women who write fanfiction and post on Livejournal. There's a litany of explanations, but none of them are entirely satisfying.
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Any explanation that doesn't include women being inherently more emotionally driven then men, leading to them getting more easily attached to fictional characters that evoke emotional responses and therefore prone to ideation with said characters tends to not be satisfying. Which is sexist according to women (which means its correct), so it can never be mentioned.
 
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Chilson said:
Any explanation that doesn't include women being inherently more emotionally driven then men, leading to them getting more easily attached to fictional characters that evoke emotional responses and therefore prone to ideation with said characters tends to not be satisfying. Which is sexist according to women (which means its correct), so it can never be mentioned.
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As a woman who's been around other woman, yes; this is very much true. You can tell the difference between a woman and man writer. Women will have chapters among chapters of character angst before they actually get to sex; men gets them to fuck in the first chapter.
 
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I’m continuing to slog through this zogchow and I really have to ask something because it’s something that’s been bugging me about the writing; why is it employing writing conventions from shows like Fairly Odd Parents or SpongeBob? Every character, for whatever reason, talks in this stilted expository style and it sounds like a seven year old playing with Barbies or conversations I’d hear from roleplayers in Moon Guard from World Of Warcraft.

“Now the reason I’ve summoned you all here is because you’re the all powerful overlords of hell…”

“I’m supposed to be protecting you. I’m supposed to be the one who makes your dreams a reality!”

Fairly Odd Parents does this because children have difficulty grasping complex concepts like “daddy issues”. And the show touches on those subjects as parental bonus so parents can watch these shows with their kids and still get entertainment out of it. Why is it being used here in a show that’s made exclusively for adults?
 
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Dave. said:
I’m continuing to slog through this zogchow and I really have to ask something because it’s something that’s been bugging me about the writing; why is it employing writing conventions from shows like Fairly Odd Parents or SpongeBob? Every character, for whatever reason, talks in this stilted expository style and it sounds like a seven year old playing with Barbies or conversations I’d hear from roleplayers in Moon Guard from World Of Warcraft.

“Now the reason I’ve summoned you all here is because you’re the all powerful overlords of hell…”

“I’m supposed to be protecting you. I’m supposed to be the one who makes your dreams a reality!”

Fairly Odd Parents does this because children have difficulty grasping complex concepts like “daddy issues”. And the show touches on those subjects as parental bonus so parents can watch these shows with their kids and still get entertainment out of it. Why is it being used here in a show that’s made exclusively for adults?
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Short answer: bad writing

Longer answer: Viv and her fans/watchers are weirdly in denial about the show being adult. I had a wall of text about it earlier, but I'm not sure why in this day and age where consuming YA/children's entertainment has been de-stigmatized for almost 20 years, they're so concerned about being seen as mature/adult content. It's even weirder when you consider the majority of the viewing audience are all also watchers of that sort of media. All it does is hurt the show in the long run. If I treat it as an adult show, I really struggle to come up with anything remotely positive to say about it. But as a show aimed for older teens? I'd be way more forgiving. If her shows came out 20 years ago, I bet I'd be watching it with my highschool friends on Adult Swim at midnight thinking it was pushing the bounds of comedy/storytelling, then in 10 years look back on it with nostalgic fondness when I remembered it existed. Or maybe inwardly cringe if I decided to indulge that nostalgia and look up clips on YouTube.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Those shows are fun, and typically remembered fondly. My only guess is Viv is in denial and trying to feel like she's actually grown up because she doesn't want to admit she's basically been telling the same story with the same characters since she was a teen (aka the actual target audience) herself.
 
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Cyber Bowling said:
Longer answer: Viv and her fans/watchers are weirdly in denial about the show being adult. I had a wall of text about it earlier, but I'm not sure why in this day and age where consuming YA/children's entertainment has been de-stigmatized for almost 20 years, they're so concerned about being seen as mature/adult content. It's even weirder when you consider the majority of the viewing audience are all also watchers of that sort of media. All it does is hurt the show in the long run. If I treat it as an adult show, I really struggle to come up with anything remotely positive to say about it. But as a show aimed for older teens? I'd be way more forgiving. If her shows came out 20 years ago, I bet I'd be watching it with my highschool friends on Adult Swim at midnight thinking it was pushing the bounds of comedy/storytelling, then in 10 years look back on it with nostalgic fondness when I remembered it existed. Or maybe inwardly cringe if I decided to indulge that nostalgia and look up clips on YouTube.
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You're exactly on the money. I decided to check clips on YouTube, and check the "Fan content" such as shipping and the like (🤢, I know), and the comment section seems to be filled with what seems to be teenagers or people with the mental age of teenagers (the former seems to be more likely). People enjoying the homosexual aspects of shipping Lucifer and Alastor, Vox and Alastor, Vox and Valentino and whatever else, TYPINGIN ALL CAPS ,RRRREEEEEPEATING WORDSSSSSSSSSSSSS WITH EXCITEMENTTTTTTTTT. So it seems to be high schoolers more than proper adults having a laugh at a fun series - which makes sense: The show is more akin to a teenager's idea of what's edgy, more than adult content proper (developed storlines, conflict, dramas, and the like). It isn't just violence and sex.
 
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