Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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Dave. said:
I’m continuing to slog through this zogchow and I really have to ask something because it’s something that’s been bugging me about the writing; why is it employing writing conventions from shows like Fairly Odd Parents or SpongeBob? Every character, for whatever reason, talks in this stilted expository style and it sounds like a seven year old playing with Barbies or conversations I’d hear from roleplayers in Moon Guard from World Of Warcraft.

“Now the reason I’ve summoned you all here is because you’re the all powerful overlords of hell…”

“I’m supposed to be protecting you. I’m supposed to be the one who makes your dreams a reality!”

Fairly Odd Parents does this because children have difficulty grasping complex concepts like “daddy issues”. And the show touches on those subjects as parental bonus so parents can watch these shows with their kids and still get entertainment out of it. Why is it being used here in a show that’s made exclusively for adults?
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As previously stated, it’s bad writing. Couple that with the fact they were only allowed 8 episodes and it resulted in a whole lot of telling, not showing, which is also why the pacing is so horrible and the songs basically transition out of nowhere.

It’s been said several times now, but Viv is permanently stuck in her edgy schoolgirl phase. She’s gone on record saying she finds swears funny and is a fan of Seth Rogan (has even drawn Sausage Party OCs). As such, her writing ability is also stuck here. Many, many people have pointed out that her shows feel like they’re meant for kids.
 
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Outer Space Traveller said:
The show is more akin to a teenager's idea of what's edgy, more than adult content proper (developed storlines, conflict, dramas, and the like). It isn't just violence and sex.
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People have been saying this since the pilot came out. And it even goes further back than that, back to the Golden Age of Newgrounds and the edgy content it fostered.
 
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The Fair Lady said:
It’s been said several times now, but Viv is permanently stuck in her edgy schoolgirl phase. She’s gone on record saying she finds swears funny and is a fan of Seth Rogan (has even drawn Sausage Party OCs). As such, her writing ability is also stuck here. Many, many people have pointed out that her shows feel like they’re meant for kids.
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It'd akin to her Zoophobia days, except that has the excuse of her being younger and also being in webcomic form (and that probably has better writing anyway). The best comparison I can make is it being the equivalent to Euphoria or Riverdale; just animated.

And I despise when people say "it's only bad because of the short runtime. Blame Amazon, not Viv". (They're also blaming the wrong company. A24 were the ones that decided the episode count. Even Viv said it herself that the reason the show was delayed even after it was finished being made was because they still hadn't found a streaming service yet.) Viv has full control over the runtime for Helluva Boss and we all know how that show is going. The majority of blame goes to Viv.

Also, HH could have had as many episodes as Viv wanted if she just kept it indie. Even had comics planned for it and Instagram accounts for thr characters. But because she wanted to work with Broadway stars, she had to sell her soul and screw the people over she once called friends. Hope it was worth it Viv.
 
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InJailOutSoon said:
And I despise when people say "it's only bad because of the short runtime. Blame Amazon, not Viv". (They're also blaming the wrong company. A24 were the ones that decided the episode count. Even Viv said it herself that the reason the show was delayed even after it was finished being made was because they still hadn't found a streaming service yet.) Viv has full control over the runtime for Helluva Boss and we all know how that show is going. The majority of blame goes to Viv.
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This has started to irk me as well. I feel like people latched onto it as a defense because they've seen it used for other shows, not understanding the circumstances behind it. A show can definitely suffer from having a reduced episode number, but it needs to be an existing show. What hurts those shows is when a show is *planned* for X episodes, but then gets cut down. It typically comes up when a show specifically gets cut mid-season, either due to poor performance or something that's arguably out of their control, like writers strikes. That's when writers have to scramble and work around the issues. Best example I can think of is Heroes season 2 getting cut in (I think) half because of the writers strike shortly in production, so they had to abruptly end several plotlines and write several characters out of existence.

But if you're told in advance how many episodes you're getting, and that episode count doesn't change, it's not really an excuse because you should be writing around that. If you know you only have 8 episodes, don't write as though you have 12. It feels like Viv has multiple seasons planned out in advance because she's been planning/telling this same story or a variation of it for 10+ years, so she shouldn't have any problem creating an outline for a season that also plans for future seasons. When you're writing out the season, you should realize around like, episode 4 if your current plan won't accommodate the number of episodes you have left, and you adjust accordingly.

There's many shows, especially animated, that are actually praised for having shorter seasons because the shorter episode load means every episode is impactful and precise, because the writers took the shorter episode run and used it to their advantage. Heck, a lot of shows only run for 6 episode seasons and not 8.

The show has bad pacing because of poor writing, not a limited episode count. If Viv had 12 episodes, the only difference with the show would be even more characters are crammed into the plot, but they'd still be underdeveloped, the worldbuilding would still suck and the jokes would still fall flat outside of a juvenile audience.
 
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Cyber Bowling said:
The show has bad pacing because of poor writing, not a limited episode count. If Viv had 12 episodes, the only difference with the show would be even more characters are crammed into the plot, but they'd still be underdeveloped, the worldbuilding would still suck and the jokes would still fall flat outside of a juvenile audience.
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I think if anything the limited amount of episodes benefitted Vivzie because Helluva Boss shows if she has all the time in the world, she'd waste the plot to meander around and focus on fujo ships or side characters more than the actual premise or anything even related to it.
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
I think if anything the limited amount of episodes benefitted Vivzie because Helluva Boss shows if she has all the time in the world, she'd waste the plot to meander around and focus on fujo ships or side characters more than the actual premise or anything even related to it.
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This is pure speculation on my part, and I'm not going to go so far as to say she has no plans, but it feels like her outlines are, at best, very broad. It feels like she has a handful of moments she wants to include in each season, but I don't know if there are actually proper plot threads. And the moments she picks really feels like they're ideas plucked out of the fandom. I'd say the most thought she really gives to anything is the last episode. Like with Hazbin, I think she knew what battles she wanted to happen, who would die, who would get to show off, and probably even how the characters would achieve victory. With Helluva, it sounds like she knows the general endgame with the gay boys getting together, but until then, she's just kinda firing from the hip and making up the general plot as she goes, but sprinkling in fan moments/the few specific events she really wanted to happen, whether or not it connects together at all. It's almost like she has a collection of short stories that are all set in the same universe and have crossover characters that she's trying to mesh together to make a coherent story.
 
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Cyber Bowling said:
This is pure speculation on my part, and I'm not going to go so far as to say she has no plans, but it feels like her outlines are, at best, very broad. It feels like she has a handful of moments she wants to include in each season, but I don't know if there are actually proper plot threads. And the moments she picks really feels like they're ideas plucked out of the fandom. I'd say the most thought she really gives to anything is the last episode. Like with Hazbin, I think she knew what battles she wanted to happen, who would die, who would get to show off, and probably even how the characters would achieve victory. With Helluva, it sounds like she knows the general endgame with the gay boys getting together, but until then, she's just kinda firing from the hip and making up the general plot as she goes, but sprinkling in fan moments/the few specific events she really wanted to happen, whether or not it connects together at all. It's almost like she has a collection of short stories that are all set in the same universe and have crossover characters that she's trying to mesh together to make a coherent story.
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She knows how she wants to begin and how to end, but just not the stuff in between. Which is initially fine in itself, because a lot of writers do that too. The only difference is they know what to add to make the story coherent and flow from beginning to ending. With Viv, it feels like she just comes up with an idea in her head that sounds cool to her and just shoves it in the story, even if it doesn't really work in the grander scheme of things.
 
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The best ending for Helluva Boss:
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Rakdos92 said:
I like the fanfics where Lucifer proudly proclaiming "He is now in HIS house!" and promptly gets his shit pushed in by Adam. Because Viv is never going to let "Haha funny sad clown dad" catch an L.
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Hell isn't even Lucifer's 'house' it's his prison. That line would make more sense from Lilith who actually likes Hell more (supposedly from the intro).
 
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nevertosubmit88 said:
This will never happen realistically, but it would be funny if it did. Twink owl demons fuck off! 😤
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I know right, I absolutely despise Stool-ass. Not because he is quirky or whatever, or because he mails the death of people (he's a denizen of hell after all). But because it would be interesting if he had something coming in his way akin to "every dog has its day"-kind of, as a price being put in his head, after "fucking around" too much.
 
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Clancee said:
The question is, where will they go from here? They already proved the redemption idea can work, and even if the Vs are the antagonists for next season...then what?
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Homelander, Chadam from another universe and uh, I guess Jesus Christ (or Mohammed if you prefer) slay everyone for being gay and retarded and for having no plot. EDIT: How could I forget Spawn & Anti Spawn from Image Comics??? Couple that with Scorpion and Noob Saibot from Mortal Kombat and you can replace Jesus and Mohammed to not offend religious sensibilities and you're golden!

"Happy Hotel, what a joke".

Honestly I have no idea. I guess they will stick out the plot with crazy and wacky slice of life situations.
 
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