Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[AnOminous]

Had me until the complaining about "fatphobia" jokes. I'm guessing that and whining about Loona's human design tells me all I need to know the creator of this list.

Whoever wrote this is FAT as FUCK.

Also the joke about the fat joke is that Moxxie ISN'T fat but still gets pissed off about it.

 

[Gunt Super Soldier]

From what I recall, the leaks say Eve is running an incredibly autistic long-con scheme to destroy Heaven (and maybe Hell too) out of revenge for having all the blame pinned on her for eating the Fruit of Knowledge... or some stupid shit like that. you'd think that she would blame Lucifuck first and foremost and do everything in her power to get him killed
Meanwhile, Lilith is masquerading as Rosie because... I have no fucking idea why, actually. It seems to be a trend that all the women in this show run overly complicated schemes for no justifiable reason whatsoever.

Was there anything about Adam in the leaks or is he really just gone?

 

[The Fair Lady]

Was there anything about Adam in the leaks or is he really just gone?

AFAIK he's confirmed permanently dead, though there is another more recent "leak" claiming he sings a duet with Vox in season 2. Again, can't vouch for validity.

 

[SpiderBitch]

Not mine, but well said on the most overrated furry ever
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Pretty autistic rant, but valid imo

Yes whining about her being problematic as a demon from hell is retarded, but thats mostly Vivs fault.
She cant make up her mind whether she wants to make a 'deep' show about becoming better people, full of mega sympathetic characters for sensitive people like whoever made this, or if she wants to make an edgy funny show that appeals to people who like exaggerated characters with severe and constant flaws.

I think all the problematic stuff about her is more than fine, but it just doesn't fit with a show that tries to be mostly serious and that wants us to feel bad for her because she has the most cliché tragic backstory played straight.

Same with Stolas, I actually like that hes shit, just not if theyre trying to make it dramatic and him not an antagonist and stopped making him funny.
He might temporarily get some consequences for being a shit father, but most likely none for being a pathetic creep.

Honestly, I do feel like this show is majorly capitalising on her being a classic furry thats animated, cant really think of any other examples except for beastars which doesn't fit the typical furry style.

 

[AnOminous]

Same with Stolas, I actually like that hes shit, just not if theyre trying to make it dramatic and him not an antagonist and stopped making him funny.
He might temporarily get some consequences for being a shit father, but most likely none for being a pathetic creep.

Honestly this was how to make him sympathetic. Have him be shit in every other way, don't make excuses for him, but have him actually try to be a good father. That's what we got in the Loo Loo Land episode.

But instead of being a flawed but decent father, which is how it started, he's just remained an absolute shit father who isn't even trying.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Unless they have the stones to roll the dice on making Sad boy a rapist, after the current Stolas fiasco in their sister show and the minefield to come, it was totally consensual, because Adam was just that bad because he was total dude-bro in the year… The Dawn of Fucking Time, and third wave feminist ideals are universal and not at all an outgrowth of Western philosophy and decadence, so Eve would have totally bought into Sex positivity and seen the red flags of Adam‘s ‘toxic masculinity’.

Until shit went down like a lead balloon, Duck-boy left her for the total bitch he simps for, and suddenly that Toxic Masculinity is looking really nice after you throw away your life and paradise for a piece of fruit and a thrust, and your life now depends on it. The more I think about it, the more this makes Eve look bad, and Adam look good, so there’s a 50/50 shot it’s correct because that’s how incompetent the writers are.

Real talk though, I thought the guy was just referring to the Fruit of Knowledge during that speech and the sex joke was just because it’s Viv’s show, we all know the ‘If Viv Wrote X’ Meme.

For the uneducated, i.e. me, what are the rumors if you can say? This is the first time I heard that Lilith might be Eve.

There's a funny thing - in Brazil (hey look, powerlevel) there was a telenovela called "Gênesis" (based on the book of Genesis) produced by Record TV, that made other productions like Jesus, Reis (currently airing), José do Egito, Rico e Lázaro (set during Judah and Israel dispersion, despite the name) and so forth. Anyway...
In this series, Eve is seduced by Lucifer disguised by a snake, but they don't have sexual intercourse (which I'm inclined to believe that's what happened) and instead she eats of a blue apple. And then Adam eats. Suddenly they realize they are nude, and are punished by God. Adam manhandles Eve out of the Garden of Eden (pissed that he lost everything), and then they realize they need each other in order to survive. This scene reminds me of the Adam from Hazbin, and I could easily see him doing it to Lilith or Eve. Also, Lucifer is a recurring villain in this telenovela. Bear in mind, the clips below are in Portuguese language, so you may watch things at least to understand what is hapening.
Here's a clip of the eating of the fruit:

And the manhandling:

BTW, here's a scene of Lucifer's fall too if you want to see:

Also this Lucifer is not a joke and he is NOT obsessed with ducks.

EDIT 2: There is kind of an "Alastor" guy in the telenovela, lul, he is called "Pasaque" (he's the man speaking to Lot in the second video). He has nothing to do with radios or a demon. He is a resident of Sodom, and here's a video of the angels visiting it (and the destruction, only because it's satisfacting to see that place burn):
Angels visiting 1:

Angels visiting 2:

Destruction:

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Now, why did I say all of this? Because 21st Century people watching the telenovela wanted to... """cancel""" (fucking hate this word) Adam due to his "brute" way (and he wasn't even that brute). Much like your theory, I could very well see that happening with Lilith or Eve, Adam at first blaming one or the other and going "we got expelled, now we cannot see our father!" (or mother, since Sera created? Who the fuck knows lol) And lilith is all "softgirl uwu" against toxic Adam with the "crazy and bouncy and positive masculine" Lucifer. Apparently he brought Lilith to heaven and they got kicked, even though Lucifer's fall happened much earlier.
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And that this will all come down in seasons with the true big bad of this show: THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL
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Some basic bitch with the nickname "Roo"...truly, the pinnacle of all that is evil.

Seriously, whoever made this idea to turn Eve into the Kangaroot of all evil is running on some sort of vindictive type shit. This is almost as bad as Sera being the replacement for God, but her name isn't "Sophia" (because that would be too mask off). With all due respect, it seems like Craplastor could put her in place, let alone Adam. Lmao.

AFAIK he's confirmed permanently dead, though there is another more recent "leak" claiming he sings a duet with Vox in season 2. Again, can't vouch for validity.

That would be so fucking funny: Adam being the pinnacle of redemption in the series. But much against Vivianne's liking. Can you imagine? "THE DICKMASTER IS BACK, BITCHES!" In season 4.

There's even a comic I found of Alastor, meant to perhaps make him a bit more soft? Whatever it is, it has Adam in it, and I found the page badass:

 

[InJailOutSoon]

This is why I really think that the Lilith we see in the show is actually Eve, because, why would the actual Lilith make a deal with Adam and be up in Heaven for seven years?

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

This is why I really think that the Lilith we see in the show is actually Eve, because, why would the actual Lilith make a deal with Adam and be up in Heaven for seven years?

A competent writer could come up with plenty of reasons:
1. Lilith finally realised that Lucifraud was full of shit and sold her a lie, so she decided to try and seek forgiveness from the man who actually loved her
OR, if you wanna make her a villain
2. She feigned redemption and is working to secretly corrupt Heaven from the inside
OR, if you, for some reason, want to keep to the theme of "Heaven bad"
3. Lucifer is lying about her simply leaving, and she had to become a political hostage as part of a concession to Heaven

CHADam and Lute art tax:

 

[AnOminous]

There's a funny thing - in Brazil (hey look, powerlevel) there was a telenovela called "Gênesis" (based on the book of Genesis) produced by Record TV, that made other productions like Jesus, Reis (currently airing), José do Egito, Rico e Lázaro (set during Judah and Israel dispersion, despite the name) and so forth.

Looks like something Stolas would watch.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

A competent writer could come up with plenty of reasons:
1. Lilith finally realised that Lucifraud was full of shit and sold her a lie, so she decided to try and seek forgiveness from the man who actually loved her
OR, if you wanna make her a villain
2. She feigned redemption and is working to secretly corrupt Heaven from the inside
OR, if you, for some reason, want to keep to the theme of "Heaven bad"
3. Lucifer is lying about her simply leaving, and she had to become a political hostage as part of a concession to Heaven

CHADam and Lute art tax:
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I like how the little halos appear over the text bubble to show who's saying what...

 

[nevertosubmit88]

Looks like something Stolas would watch.

"That's a mood, Rico!"

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Looks like something Stolas would watch.

"That's a mood, Rico!"

Believe it or not, it's not exactly a telenovela 1:1. They manage to get closer to the format of a series while maintaining the "new episode every day".

But oh well, I do admit I watched, and liked it.

A competent writer could come up with plenty of reasons:
1. Lilith finally realised that Lucifraud was full of shit and sold her a lie, so she decided to try and seek forgiveness from the man who actually loved her
OR, if you wanna make her a villain
2. She feigned redemption and is working to secretly corrupt Heaven from the inside
OR, if you, for some reason, want to keep to the theme of "Heaven bad"
3. Lucifer is lying about her simply leaving, and she had to become a political hostage as part of a concession to Heaven

CHADam and Lute art tax:
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Really hope the first option is the case. Can you imagine? As much as Chadam and Lutestacy are a good couple, it would be good to see her see the error of the ways. (Stella is also Stacy, regardless, that's Helluva Bullshit related).

 

[Castoreum]

Guys, I went to Shark Robot to check out the new BoneyPlays merch and went to see what Helluva merch was selling... Now I really want that Halloween Glitz and Glam acrylic standee cuz I genuinely like the Klown Bitch skit. It lives rent free in my head.

TALK ME OUT OF IT.

 

[Tablet County]

TALK ME OUT OF IT.

You could buy a really nice sandwich with that money instead.

 

[xXWild_DripXx]

Guys, I went to Shark Robot to check out the new BoneyPlays merch and went to see what Helluva merch was selling... Now I really want that Halloween Glitz and Glam acrylic standee cuz I genuinely like the Klown Bitch skit. It lives rent free in my head.

TALK ME OUT OF IT.

Spend that money on the forum as a dononation so we can continue to call this show gay and retarded.

 

[Autistic Gunspergings]

Guys, I went to Shark Robot to check out the new BoneyPlays merch and went to see what Helluva merch was selling... Now I really want that Halloween Glitz and Glam acrylic standee cuz I genuinely like the Klown Bitch skit. It lives rent free in my head.

TALK ME OUT OF IT.

If your consoomer impulses are so bad you need a bunch of strangers on the retard-laughing site to convince you not to do it, then maybe you deserve it.


or you can take responsibility for your wellbeing and just... not buy it.

 

[A Beached Whale]

Honestly this was how to make him sympathetic. Have him be shit in every other way, don't make excuses for him, but have him actually try to be a good father. That's what we got in the Loo Loo Land episode.

But instead of being a flawed but decent father, which is how it started, he's just remained an absolute shit father who isn't even trying.

His first song to little Via is one of my favorite scenes of the entire show. It sold you immediately on his love of his daughter, even with a miserable, forced, marriage. He screwed up the day at Loo Loo Land, and then had a sobering talk with her at the end of it.

Perfect setup for him being a shit person but a good father. And then Via just...disappears, until Season 2, where the plot is REPEATED, but just on Earth. What???

 

[InJailOutSoon]

https://x.com/CartoonUV/status/1846929003892166683?t=PuwdR08T1t7z7MefteytyQ&s=19
A panel for Hazbin Hotel happened. Below will be some stuff that got mentioned and my thoughts on them:

Spoiler

-Sir Pentious was meant to be a one off but Viv loved him so much she gave him an arc and he became the heart of the show.
(That's pretty obvious with how rushed his story was. And I would argue that he wasn't the heart of the show)

-Alastor and Nifty went through a lot of development
(Alastor I can get, but Nifty? Unless she's supposed to get more story in season 2, which I highly doubt)

-The song "You Didn’t Know” was a technical challenge, as a lot of the script turned into the song to fit the run time
(That song was always clunky to me as it had like three plot beats happen through it. Maybe if you didn't have unnecessary fluff like MIMZY, you would have time to go through those plots without having to hurriedly explain them out through a song)

-Nifty will have a song next season that is supposed to be fast paced
(FINALLY. I always thought it was strange that every member of the main cast besides her got a song and/or a duet. Maybe Nifty could have gotten one too for season one if fucking Carmilla didn't haven two duets and a solo song)

-Alex Brightman said for season 2, he is doing the most dramatic thing he has done in his career.
(I guess expect something big for either Adam or Sir Pentious then. Unless he's voicing another character. Kind of pathetic to admit that HAZBIN HOTEL is your most dramatic role though)

-Viv said she would love to do a theatrical release for Hazbin (Viv...you're the showrunner for an adult musical cartoon show. You're not making a movie for the theaters anytime soon)

-Viv says the upgraded hotel is a lot grander and there will be a lot to play around with in there
(Well, that's nice to hear. I always thought the hotel was underutilized in a show called fucking "Hazbin Hotel". Let's hope that it won't be bloated with all the other stuff Viv has planned for season 2-- oh, who am I kidding? We all know that it's going to be a bloated mess.)

 

[Doctor of Autism]

 

[didelphigina]

(Well, that's nice to hear. I always thought the hotel was underutilized in a show called fucking "Hazbin Hotel". Let's hope that it won't be bloated with all the other stuff Viv has planned for season 2-- oh, who am I kidding? We all know that it's going to be a bloated mess.)

Exactly. We know the hotel's more of a placeholder than anything. It's not "Hazbin Hotel" it's "Hazbin the Musical". I'll be beyond surprised if the second season actually focuses on doing the bare minimum of what people waited EIGHT years for. But knowing Vivzipop, that's incredibly unlikely. If she does, I can predict she'll do it in "shorts" like she did with HB.