Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[FK009]

Why do these morons coddle characters who are grown-ass adults like they’re fucking children?

It’s so stupid.

I think it’s because they never grew up, and if put in the same position as Stolas would make all of the same selfish choices he would, thus they really identify with the those characters. Plus, I doubt some of them have kids, and they may even hate the concept of kids because kids require that you sacrifice some of your needs for them, so there’s that.

 

[Quiet Guy]

It is indeed a shit show. There’s many issues, but the one I have the greatest beef with is the assassination plot. Apparently the group that murders random teens and sick orphans suddenly have a hang up with two gay dads, one of which left his wife and took his daughters with him, and the two girls. Fuck off. You want to have a moral backbone now? Fucking earn it. How many daughters, husbands and fathers did these fucks kill before? What, because her parents were straight and she was cringe, Emberlyn deserved a knife to the chest? No, ‘oh shit this is someone’s Loona’ there? But no, it’s because he sees it as Stolas, him, and their daughters, they can’t kill them. What if it had been a mother, a new wife instead? I think we all know the answer, because it came up in episode 1. It’s so fucking disingenuous, it’s galling. If there‘s one thing I fucking despise about this show, is that it’s about a group of murders, but they‘re also so fucking moral and only kill the bad humans, unless there’s a parking spot on the line or unless they’re weird. You can’t have it both ways. God, this pissed me off more than anything else this fucking season.

I think the biggest thing was refusing the hit because gay, of course they do. This moment really kinda symbolizes the original soul and premise of the show is gone, dead. Fags and shipping killed it. That moment really just made me mad, like they’re demons; they shouldn’t give a fuck; yet Blitz doesn’t do it because he’s infected with the fag virus. God you cannot make this shit up.

To preach to the choir, yeah refusing to kill that gay couple was the worst part. Like my bet is either it's a one time thing or it will escalate to the show ending with them starting a new business.

It's been said, but I want to complain about it anyway. That dude abandoning his wife and taking her children away from her but getting a happy gay ending pissed me off. This is a fujo dream (and sooner I guess) but the reality is horrible if you think about it...

Blitzo having qualms over killing precious gay husband who cheated... he had no problem killing a child, an old man, thousands of innocent party go-ers... but an adult man is somehow too much. We had the exact same family scene in the first episode and Blitzo didn't care about murdering them. That's so fucked up. And the fantasy scene, fuuuuck oooooff with the fanservice.

Try thinking about it from a different perspective: the evil demons killed a bunch of random people, but spared the degenerate homosexual who left his wife for a man.

What did Viv mean by this?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I think it’s because they never grew up, and if put in the same position as Stolas would make all of the same selfish choices he would, thus they really identify with the those characters. Plus, I doubt some of them have kids, and they may even hate the concept of kids because kids require that you sacrifice some of your needs for them, so there’s that.

Not to sound woke or anything, but I think its more of the idea of Stolas being a male victim of abuse, I guarantee if the genders were reversed, Female Stolas would get more hate for being a harlot or further victimized and Blitzo would be hated more.

 

[LucasSomething]

As much as this thread will praise octavia for calling out i feel like it will also age badly in hindsight because i doubt the intended reaction WAS to be a "Stolas callout".

Note how everytime vivzie pseudo-called out stolas it was actually not his fault or a misunderstanding.

Stella calls him out for cheating? She is evil so he's justified!
Ozzy calls Stolas a cheater? Was a joke! She is evil and ozzy supports true love.
Octavia calls Stolas a bad father? She changes her mind and SHE apologizes to him.
Blizo calls Stolas on exploiting him? Never happened! Blitzo was gaslighted an insecure dumbass not understanding Stolas true love and is effectively guilt tripped into loving him back.

Octavia calls out Stolas? She's just an overemotional teenager that doesn't understand how much Stolas loves her! It's not his fault, he was depressed and she didnt give him enough time to explain himself! this is such a tragic misunderstanding guys, dont you yall hate stella yet?

Note how Stolas never apoligizes and makes excuses until the very end.

"I'd never leave you! It wasn't my choice!"
"I had to! You don't understand!"
"You're the only good thing in my life"
"I love you so much, please let me explain!"

Vivzie accidentally makes Stolas a peak abuser here. Lying, gaslighting, guilt tripping, goalpost moving, etc. The bird just CAN'T SAY SORRY because HE DOESNT FEEL SORRY. There is no introspection of Stolas realizing he's a bad father because that's not vivzie intention, her intention is to show how the world is so unfair to him.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

As much as this thread will praise octavia for calling out i feel like it will also age badly in hindsight because i doubt the intended reaction WAS to be a "Stolas callout".

Note how everytime vivzie pseudo-called out stolas it was actually not his fault or a misunderstanding.

Stella calls him out for cheating? She is evil so he's justified!
Ozzy calls Stolas a cheater? Was a joke! She is evil and ozzy supports true love.
Octavia calls Stolas a bad father? She changes her mind and SHE apologizes to him.
Blizo calls Stolas on exploiting him? Never happened! Blitzo was gaslighted an insecure dumbass not understanding Stolas true love and is effectively guilt tripped into loving him back.

Octavia calls out Stolas? She's just an overemotional teenager that doesn't understand how much Stolas loves her! It's not his fault, he was depressed and she didnt give him enough time to explain himself! this is such a tragic misunderstanding guys, dont you yall hate stella yet?

Note how Stolas never apoligizes and makes excuses until the very end.

"I'd never leave you! It wasn't my choice!"
"I had to! You don't understand!"
"You're the only good thing in my life"
"I love you so much, please let me explain!"

Vivzie accidentally makes Stolas a peak abuser here. Lying, gaslighting, guilt tripping, goalpost moving, etc. The bird just CAN'T SAY SORRY because HE DOESNT FEEL SORRY. There is no introspection of Stolas realizing he's a bad father because that's not vivzie intention, her intention is to show how the world is so unfair to him.

True but at the same time since this is the season finale of Helluva Boss, and given how sour things end up for Stolas, you can always just pretend the show ends here, literally nothing would be lost moving forward.

 

[FK009]

"You're the only good thing in my life"

This line is funny because a song in the last episode said something about someone else being his only reason for living.

Not to sound woke or anything, but I think its more of the idea of Stolas being a male victim of abuse, I guarantee if the genders were reversed, Female Stolas would get more hate for being a harlot or further victimized and Blitzo would be hated more.

Maybe you’re right. I don’t want to call it misogyny because having went to College (for Comp-Sci) the word has lost all meaning to me from over use. So did the term Rape, Racism, and the -phobics. I want to chalk it up to incompetent writing or screwed values than anything else.

 

[Papa stink]

Stella has to be the worst animated villain. Viv didn't even have to make her care for Octavia or be multi-dimensional for her to be good (though that would be interesting) She could've still been pure evil and not be shit if Viv just made her interesting or entertaining. If you make a villain pure evil they have to have something more than just kicking kittens. She's not smart or cunning, aside from hiring a hitman she hasn't proved herself to be dangerous or intimidating, she's not charming (unless you count furries wanting to fuck her), and she isn't fun or eccentric.

A good pure evil villain should either terrify or captivate the viewer. Stella is just an angry idiot who screams at Stolas and tried to kill him one time. I've seen fanart and headcanons that either show her more sympathetically or portray her as a manipulator who tries to turn Octavia against her father. If fan rewrites are infinitely better than what you've written you've fucked up severely.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

This line is funny because a song in the last episode said something about someone else being his only reason for living.

A classic example of Stolas being unintentionally abusive.

Maybe you’re right. I don’t want to call it misogyny because having went to College (for Comp-Sci) the word has lost all meaning to me from over use. So did the term Rape, Racism, and the -phobics. I want to chalk it up to incompetent writing or screwed values than anything else.

I mean it pretty much is, especially with how Stella feels like the type of evil woman you'd see in those reddit stories made by dipshits to make themselves seem more sympathetic.

Like if Viv were based, Stella in Season 2 is just some actress Stolas paid for his divorce video to desparately get custody of the kid and make Stella more evil.

Stella has to be the worst animated villain. Viv didn't even have to make her care for Octavia or be multi-dimensional for her to be good (though that would be interesting) She could've still been pure evil and not be shit if Viv just made her interesting or entertaining. If you make a villain pure evil they have to have something more than just kicking kittens. She's not smart or cunning, aside from hiring a hitman she hasn't proved herself to be dangerous or intimidating, she's not charming (unless you count furries wanting to fuck her), and she isn't fun or eccentric.

A good pure evil villain should either terrify or captivate the viewer. Stella is just an angry idiot who screams at Stolas and tried to kill him one time. I've seen fanart and headcanons that either show her more sympathetically or portray her as a manipulator who tries to turn Octavia against her father. If fan rewrites are infinitely better than what you've written you've fucked up severely.

Honestly, I think it is hard to say about Stella being the worst animated villain there is only because there are far worse out there, who are on bad writing levels comparable to Stolas. Stella is just a one-note bad soap opera villain. There is nothing much to her, which there could've been since Season 1 Stella was decent, but Season 2 Stella is just stupid just so Andre could be the evil mastermind character (and even he is unintentionally dumb) and that's not getting into how Season 2 goes into overdrive to make Stolas a sympathetic woobie while Stella is demonized. The fact Octavia has a picture of them as a happy family, and how its implied that family life was stable before the affair, just makes everything worse.

 

[Papa stink]

Not to sound woke or anything, but I think its more of the idea of Stolas being a male victim of abuse, I guarantee if the genders were reversed, Female Stolas would get more hate for being a harlot or further victimized and Blitzo would be hated more.

It's only because it was a guy-on-guy relationship in a show pandering to fujos. If it was a woman they wouldn't be so forgiving about it.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Now that the season is over, has there anyone who has been more of a pointless character than this guy



EDIT: I just realized from his shirt, that he could just be a male succubus trying to fuck random people slighted by Blitzo by just doing the typical A-Log shit of "Hey at least I'm not X"

 

[LucasSomething]

Stella has to be the worst animated villain. Viv didn't even have to make her care for Octavia or be multi-dimensional for her to be good (though that would be interesting) She could've still been pure evil and not be shit if Viv just made her interesting or entertaining. If you make a villain pure evil they have to have something more than just kicking kittens. She's not smart or cunning, aside from hiring a hitman she hasn't proved herself to be dangerous or intimidating, she's not charming (unless you count furries wanting to fuck her), and she isn't fun or eccentric.

A good pure evil villain should either terrify or captivate the viewer. Stella is just an angry idiot who screams at Stolas and tried to kill him one time. I've seen fanart and headcanons that either show her more sympathetically or portray her as a manipulator who tries to turn Octavia against her father. If fan rewrites are infinitely better than what you've written you've fucked up severely.

The problem with Stella is that she is not a gay twink so she never stood a chance under vivzie's pen. Andrealphus pretty much replaced as the real "main villain".

It's funny to compare Stella at S2E1 and the finale, where she is setup as (ignore retcons and bad writing) this irredemable antagonistic force that will do whatever it takes to makes Stolas suffer, only for her to be canonized as a dumb loser and do achieve nothing while Vivzie's new owl OC with elemental powers takes over.

Vivzie can't even give Stella one final confrontation with Stolas and octavia because that means writing Stella and that's forbidden. We just have to assume she's sleeping offscreen while her brother is the climatic season finale fight with a guy he talked once in the entire season.

Stella got a fate worse than death, irrelevancy by fujo writing.

 

[didelphigina]

The shitshow is here, lads.

Oh, oh, no. No, no, no. No. NO. Nope.

Spoiler: massive_rant.txt

I skimmed through a majority of this episode. I couldn't handle watching through it. Everything about this episode was terrible beyond recovery, beyond recognition. When did Blitzo suddenly care about morals?! When did a literal HELLBORN DEMON care about the lives of complete randoms? Blitzo only acts emotional over the ones he knows and cares about aka his found family. Why does he suddenly care about the two gay dudes? Oh, oh! Cheating's okay if it's gay people doing it? WHATEVER DO YOU MEAN BY THAT VIVZIE??? WHATEVER DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!??!?!!

But, alright, fine. Let's go through my biggest gripes. First, I want to talk about Stella.

Stella. She's not even a character anymore. They didn't care to give her any actual lines. She just laughs like a crack addict and constantly goes "HAHAHA LOOK VIA CAN'T TALK TO HER HUSBAND!! HAHA LOOK!! HAHAA FAFAFAFAFAFA". the ENTIRE episode. She has NO real dialogue, she has NO real characterization. She's only continued as TOOL to make her as cartoonishly villainous as possible. Good lord, PBS KIDS VILLAINS AR E MORE INTIMIDATING THAN THIS WOMAN. I have nothing else to say. She's a nothing character now and they'll continue to degrade her further.

Now, Andrealphus? Waste of a villain, too. Waste of everything. It's sort of satisfying to see him get defeated but it felt so rushed and rapid that I could barely register it. His dialogue was nothing but intimidation tactics and ends up acting surprised that Stolas would defend himself. If only Stolas equally got beaten to a pulp like that. He's not intimidating or villianous in the slightest. He's just as cartoonishly villainous as Stella, but at least he has more dialogue and somewhat actual lines over Stella's ramble jumble salad of laughs that would make Kamala Harris jealous.

Loona. She's... is she even Loona anymore? What's with the sudden 180 change of personality? Just from one experience of her father almost dying casually turned her from being a stereotypical emo 22 year old with the mind of a teenager to a somewhat normal 22 year old with the mind of a teenager? It felt way too fast, too sudden. This isn't Loona. This is a real time retcon. It wasn't natural, it didn't feel natural. No way the character made to be this angtsy, easily emotional Hellhound just magically turned into someone else in just ONE episode. Her dialogues never felt "Loona" to me, either.. It felt like dialogue coming from someone else entirely. Only once she had that "Loona" personality in the episode and that was just her telling Stolas how to answer the darn phone.

Oh, and she can apparently turn into a feral wolf now. That totally won't attract a certain crowd. Also, when did she even have such abilities? Why are they JUST NOW SHOWING THIS? Is this possible with the other hellhounds?? I LOVE LAST MINUTE ADDITIONS!!

Now that random sinner... yeah, she's just a Karen stereotype. What else is there to say about her? I did kind of laugh when Blitzo threw her off the building for reading the dreaded yaoi fanfic. The only thing I laughed at that wasn't related to seeing Stolas suffering and sobbing his balls off.

Octavia? God. Good lord. Good everything that exists on this planet. She didn't bite off Stolas enough. You'd think years of built up anger and tension of not knowing what to do or say would have her absolutely blow up at her father for everything he's done. For neglecting her, for caring about a literal imp over her, for nearly getting himself KILLED on LIVE TV and only thinking about Blitzo and waiting until AFTER he's a poor waste of space to go "OH MY DAUGHTER!! MY DAUGHTER!! W-WHERE'S MY DAUGHTER!?!? IT TOOK ME MANY YEARS TO DO THE BARE MINIIMUM AND CARE FOR MY LOVED ONE!! THE HORNINESS IS GONE- nevermind it's not gone I still accepted the big kissies from BLITZY". She deserves better. She deserves better over anyone else. I know she's a 2D character but GOD she's a character that deserves more than just being cannon fodder for Stolitz. This godforsaken fandom's so outrageously out of it that I wonder if they're just permanently under Vivziepop's spell to not question anything and wait for more product aka wait for more shilling of a relationship that NEVER should've happened.

I hate to admit it but I did get slightly emotional over Octavia's song. Only because I've known her as this child that's been left behind by her parents, with a father who could care less about her until he loses everything or if she's in a situation that he HAS to care about for so long. A child who honestly just needs a new family. A family that ISN'T Blitz's family because they'll only gaslight her into making Stolas the good guy. If I continue with this, it's really gonna be a multi-paragraph TED-talk session so I'll stop it from here.

Now, Blitzo. What has become of this dude? In the first season, he was always this dude with edgy (safe) humor and had complete disregard for human and demon life. He's the kind of guy who could care less about your situations and is willing to blow your head clean off if you get in his way. Now he's this sympathetic guy who can't even bother to assassinate a cheater because he's gay? Because it reminds him of him, Stolas, and Octavia? They didn't even TRY to do a hit. Like, at all. I.M.P. is no longer I.M.P. Just retire and make it Stolas' gay baby home or something. Millie's ironically the only one who still wanted to take part in the thing, but after the eventual pregnancy reveal, it was less of that and moreso one of the signs of pregnancy (mood swings or whatever, I don't know). Regardless, as a previous comment said, that scene alone was the definite end of I.M.P. as a whole. No longer is it an assassination company. I mean, I think Blitzo even saying that "killing a cheater's a bit too far" should've already been the sign enough. Is he only caring because of Stolas? Obviously so.

Of course they ended up smooching, wettening the clits of the fujo lovers who sees this show as nothing but a gay pandering paradise simulator.

Nothing more to say about Moxxie and Millie other than the surprising reveal of Millie being pregnant. Okay, what are we supposed to do with that? Why is she calling her trans sibling over her mother or, heck it, her own husband? I thought they trusted each other enough to talk things out, especially something as life altering as a pregnancy. Nope, more representation for a literal who character. Gotta love it.

In the end, this whole episode was a slog to get through. I barely could watch most of the episode. It was a waste of time except the parts of Octavia's song and when Octavia finally scolded Stolas (though I feel it should've much more intense considering the bottled up emotions she has to endure).

Season 3's gonna be nothing but Stolas glazing over all else. Pack it up, everyone. This show has truly become The Stolas Show. No longer about imp assassins trying to get by in Hell but a forever lasting fanservice for the fujoshi fans out there.

In short,

I hate shippers. I hate shipping. I hate the whole entire concept of shipping. It is a show/media/fandom ruiner and any sign of it is a sign to leave the fandom or media because we know it's gonna be a literal hellscape. I hate Stolas. I hate this show indefinitely. I hate everything about it minus Octavia, Stella, and the worldbuilding (despite how backwards it is). I hate what it's become and there's nothing we can do about it.

I'm done, man. I'm gonna go feed my fishes now and melt my brain to Instagram reels.

What a terrible complete waste of a season finale. Didn't feel like one whatsoever. Rushed, pointless, and complete fujo bait. Stolas shippers don't deserve the right to call other people media illiterate.

God- man. I'm absolutely MATI, give me them hats.

 

[ssaneenah]

The shitshow is here, lads.

Spoiler: btw i get this as a recommendation lmao

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@Dork Of Ages, I see you react to every single post in this thread, but this is the first time I see you post in here, lmao.


Edit:

@didelphigina, That post sounds like an overreaction to a kids cartoon for adults, but judging from your comment, and I haven’t heard anything about the season finale after its release, it’s unsurprisingly as bad as everyone expected it to be. We’ll still have fun with it in this thread at the expense of all the fundamentally wrong Vivzipop-Hellaverse-related shenanigans that would occur from now on, just like it used to be for the past five years (I wasn’t here for all that time, but I bet everyone here was enjoying themselves).

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

So... I guess Seasons 3 and 4 will be fanfiction or season 2 was already a fanfiction?

I'm off the loop because I refuse to watch this show whatsoever, I just join the discussion on this thread (lol), and apparently it is "Stolas: the interminable excuses".

As much as this thread will praise octavia for calling out i feel like it will also age badly in hindsight because i doubt the intended reaction WAS to be a "Stolas callout".

Note how everytime vivzie pseudo-called out stolas it was actually not his fault or a misunderstanding.

Stella calls him out for cheating? She is evil so he's justified!
Ozzy calls Stolas a cheater? Was a joke! She is evil and ozzy supports true love.
Octavia calls Stolas a bad father? She changes her mind and SHE apologizes to him.
Blizo calls Stolas on exploiting him? Never happened! Blitzo was gaslighted an insecure dumbass not understanding Stolas true love and is effectively guilt tripped into loving him back.

Octavia calls out Stolas? She's just an overemotional teenager that doesn't understand how much Stolas loves her! It's not his fault, he was depressed and she didnt give him enough time to explain himself! this is such a tragic misunderstanding guys, dont you yall hate stella yet?

Note how Stolas never apoligizes and makes excuses until the very end.

"I'd never leave you! It wasn't my choice!"
"I had to! You don't understand!"
"You're the only good thing in my life"
"I love you so much, please let me explain!"

Vivzie accidentally makes Stolas a peak abuser here. Lying, gaslighting, guilt tripping, goalpost moving, etc. The bird just CAN'T SAY SORRY because HE DOESNT FEEL SORRY. There is no introspection of Stolas realizing he's a bad father because that's not vivzie intention, her intention is to show how the world is so unfair to him.

If Stolas isn't sorry, then he shouldn't live, my opinion. He's right in his own mind and an ultimate sociopath. I don't even say narcissist, because (in my own unqualified opinion) I believe sociopaths are narcissists that are beyond the ridiculous - but I can be corrected. It just makes me think: why should everyone root for this guy? I don't mean MATI way, really, what redeems him? His show of remorse that he did as a fantastic "theatrical" piece once Octavia asked him? No, fuck you.

Stolas, you should meet the fucking Assyrians of the old time. They used to flay their enemies, and that's what you deserve. You and Shitzlo.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

>Demon is demonic.

 

[FK009]

I'm off the loop because I refuse to watch this show whatsoever

The smartest choice that anyone on this thread has ever made.

 

[LemonCake]

I'm so confused about what was up with the client - she's mad that her ex-husband is now with another guy (that he probably cheated with) and took the kids, but if she's dead he would have had the kids anyway, right? Why was she dead and when did she die? She could have been pissed that her ex-husband wasn't doing anything to keep her memory alive for her kids at Christmas or something, but instead she's just an irrational and vindictive bitch standing in the way of precious homo love

 

[nevertosubmit88]

Still saluting Via for finally calling Stolas out for his shit. Say what you will about Stella, but she will forever be the better parent of the two.

 

[didelphigina]

@didelphigina, That post sounds like an overreaction to a kids cartoon for adults, but judging from your comment, and I haven’t heard anything about the season finale after its release, it’s unsurprisingly as bad as everyone expected it to be. We’ll still have fun with it in this thread at the expense of all the fundamentally wrong Vivzipop-Hellaverse-related shenanigans that would occur from now on, just like it used to be for the past five years (I wasn’t here for all that time, but I bet everyone here was enjoying themselves).

It is indeed an overreaction, I ain't denying that. But man, can you blame me for what this woman has done to an otherwise interesting concept and retconned it beyond recovery? I should've condensed it but God, I just can't take this show and how much its desires for shipping has ruined any salvageable redemption it already struggled it have. I'm just tired, boss.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Actually a good episode minus one or two quibbles. Storyline progression, good animation, Octavia is now firmly in our camp. My only complaints are that I.M.P. suddenly grew a concious but only where gay people are involved and that the word "Christmas" didn't make them burst into flames.