Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

It's just strange how we don't see one Sinner who has just gotten into Hell try their chance at the Hotel. If anyone was going to take a whack at redemption, it would probably be the person that only has a day experience of Hell instead of the ones who have been there for decades and is used to life down here.

Forget a day of experience in Hell, there's not one character who is confirmed to have died in the 21st century, Vaggie was originally going to have died in 2013, but with her being an exorcist now, unless I'm forgetting someone, the character newest to Hell is Cherri who died in the 1980s.

Not that what era a character is from even remotely matters in this show, the only character Viv even tried to make it matter is Zestial, and that's only just because he says thy and thou.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Oh boy. So someone posted a list of highlights from some con where Viv, Sam, and a lot of the VAs were at a panel. Besides the many...many cringe responses, I do like how Viv basically said that she hates all her past friends but admits she wouldn't be where she was today without them.
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God, why do these grown adults who are either in their thirties or older act like fucking pre-teens? No wonder Keith David doesn't want to hang around these people.

of course, the correct answer is the "joke answer".

"I cannot say what I wanna say." Charlastor, Viv. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Stop being a coward.

I just thought up of something fun: whenever someone crows about "REPRESENTASHUN" I'm going to advise them to never use that offensive R-word around me ever again.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

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of course, the correct answer is the "joke answer".
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"I cannot say what I wanna say." Charlastor, Viv. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Stop being a coward.
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I just thought up of something fun: whenever someone crows about "REPRESENTASHUN" I'm going to advise them to never use that offensive R-word around me ever again.

I am p sure Brandons might be Stolitz.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I am p sure Brandons might be Stolitz.

I mean we discussed before in this thread that Brandon pushed it with Viv, it's just Brandon probably would've paced it better than Miss Wattpad

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

I mean we discussed before in this thread that Brandon pushed it with Viv, it's just Brandon probably would've paced it better than Miss Wattpad

That I can agree on. She always talks about slow burn but most of this isn't slowburn. It's only ever accepted in fanfiction because it's not expected to become canon. While you're making a show for Amazon pacing needs to be done. That goes for Hazbin but Helluva has no excuse.

Can anyone tell me or give me a proper example of a show or media that has good slowburn or pacing, doesn't have to be indie or canon. Hell it can be a fanfic for all I give a fuck.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Can anyone tell me or give me a proper example of a show or media that has good slowburn or pacing

Avatar: The Last Airbender. 3 meticulously plotted seasons, each with ever-heightening stakes, until the proper, satisfying conclusion. And then they had to shit all over it with Korra and the live-action bullshit (both the Shyamalan movie and the Netflix "remake")

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Like how about 66 dollars plus tax and shipping for a giant piece of cardboard with you favorite gay spider on it?

That is so stupid, why would you want that. Its so preposterous, knowing how the company producing this would be I can't imagine your 66+ dollar piece of cardboard isn't going to get completely destroyed, have water damage, horrible inking, or torn and tattered.

This would just be another excuse for Viv to block people, ignore orders that don't arrive for this, cry on X that people are hating her show.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

That is so stupid, why would you want that. Its so preposterous, knowing how the company producing this would be I can't imagine your 66+ dollar piece of cardboard isn't going to get completely destroyed, have water damage, horrible inking, or torn and tattered.

This would just be another excuse for Viv to block people, ignore orders that don't arrive for this, cry on X that people are hating her show.

You'll be better as a merch artist tbh. Anyone else would.

 

[Saxxon]

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I swear, in order to work in this show it's required to have arrested development.

of course, the correct answer is the "joke answer".

No you see, it is the joke answer because it implies that present Viv follows this advice.

 

[A Grey Cat]

My favorite part of keeping up with the merch drops is to see the creative ways that Viv and Spindlehorse find to rip off their loyal fans;
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Like how about 66 dollars plus tax and shipping for a giant piece of cardboard with you favorite gay spider on it?

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Or more coomer merch for a minor side character that feels that should have come in February along with the others?

This probably WAS meant to drop in February given the esthetics are very reminiscent of the February merch.


Between this and DC's "Harley Quinn fartacular special" (yes it's real) I don't think these marketing tards understand what an "April fools day prank" is. Or what it means to laugh at yourself.

 

[The Nothingness]

Oh boy. So someone posted a list of highlights from some con where Viv, Sam, and a lot of the VAs were at a panel. Besides the many...many cringe responses, I do like how Viv basically said that she hates all her past friends but admits she wouldn't be where she was today without them.
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God, why do these grown adults who are either in their thirties or older act like fucking pre-teens? No wonder Keith David doesn't want to hang around these people.

*constantly mentions fisting with a specific character*

Me:

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Going back through the comments on Flazefire's Hazbin video and give me the show with this big twist.
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Wow if this happens then this show is making some sort of "stoner Gnosticism" level of bullshit. As in, Gnosticism is already bullshit, and it would be as if a bunch of weed addicts decided to create their own version of gnosticism while high.

"Dude, man, what if - like: Adam was Lucifer, and Lucifer had a daughter, and he had married Lilith."
"Yeah."
"And Hell's just like Detroit and L.A."
"That's cool, dude."
"But Lucifer is gonna, like, pull a wicked stunt."
"That's, like, fucking cool man."
"Yeah."

Still, I guess it's not as "bad" as I imagine the actual ending to be. Charlie in the Garden? Kangaroo taking over her body and her being exterminated and Lucifer cope, reddit niggering with her death and doing her work instead.

 

[KelpieSelkie]

I see a lot of asks like this sent to Chai, but this one really got me laughing. Darkies just cannot accept that these shows are not for them. Do you really think you can force someone to draw a black character if they don't want to?





Really it seems to me that in this universe when you die none of the race stuff or even geographic location matters anymore. Your earthly identity itself doesn't seem to matter much at all.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Really it seems to me that in this universe when you die none of the race stuff or even geographic location matters anymore. Your earthly identity itself doesn't seem to matter much at all.

I only remember seeing a handful of sinners that really reflect their old lives, such as Emberlynn or a background punkish lizard from the pilot. Based on that, it looks like it’s only aspects of your career, hobbies, how you died, crimes committed, etc that affects your sinner form, as opposed to anything really involving your race or culture. Back when Vaggie was supposed to be a sinner, I don’t recall seeing anything in her design that pointed to her being Salvadorian (I’m pretty sure that was her race, right?). Has me thinking it’s another missed opportunity on Viv’s part, but whatever. Just has me wondering once again what kind of forces are at play that decide whether you turn into a furry, some kind of inanimate object man, or a knockoff tiefling.

 

[The tired cat]

Just has me wondering once again what kind of forces are at play that decide whether you turn into a furry, some kind of inanimate object man, or a knockoff tiefling.

It's specially implied it's given at random, since on the official wikia it said how Husks hates what he's been turned into and how he wasn't allowed to pick his form.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

*constantly mentions fisting with a specific character*

Me:

I assume it's some sort of inside joke. Probably should have just kept it that way.

It's specially implied it's given at random, since on the official wikia it said how Husks hates what he's been turned into and how he wasn't allowed to pick his form.

Figured it's a mix of symbolism and a form of punishment. You already mentioned Husk, bur you got Angel Dust hating his legs and Alastor looking somewhat like a prey animal.

Granted, no one would know this unless you look outside of the show and you have a chance of the information not even being canon anymore.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I assume it's some sort of inside joke. Probably should have just kept it that way.

Figured it's a mix of symbolism and a form of punishment. You already mentioned Husk, bur you got Angel Dust hating his legs and Alastor looking somewhat like a prey animal.

Granted, no one would know this unless you look outside of the show and you have a chance of the information not even being canon anymore.

So why in that case was emberlynn pinkle allowed to be come the demon catgirl she no doubt wanted to be all her life when SHE died? Or is she one of the few lucky ones who are quite pleased with the forms they get even if they don't get a say in it?

I get pinkle was a one off joke character who for all we know is never gonna be seen again. But she, like Jimmy and the counselor he killed, or the lady who only crime seems to be "she convened with a fortune teller when she was alive." All could make for more compelling looks at life in hell than the grade A assholes Viv and co prefer to make the stars of the show.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

So why in that case was emberlynn pinkle allowed to be come the demon catgirl she no doubt wanted to be all her life when SHE died? Or is she one of the few lucky ones who are quite pleased with the forms they get even if they don't get a say in it?

I get pinkle was a one off joke character who for all we know is never gonna be seen again. But she, like Jimmy and the counselor he killed, or the lady who only crime seems to be "she convened with a fortune teller when she was alive." All could make for more compelling looks at life in hell than the grade A assholes Viv and co prefer to make the stars of the show.

Probably one of the few lucky and it doesn't help that girl is not really right in the head given she's into all that satanic stuff and basically got encouraged by Blitzo to get her to agree to an assisted suicide.

Like her family is probably horrified and if she likely developed any sort of self-awareness she'd probably be too.

There are legitimately people who barely did anything wrong that end up in Hazbin's Hell and as I said before, Helluva Boss shows that given how many people IMP killed who were either just bystanders, springbreakers actively killed, or were feds who were fighting demons.

Again most of these are just jokes, but with the amount of self-seriousness Helluva Boss has imposed on it, its hard not to really think of these implications especially with the sudden heel turn Blitzo had in the season 2 finale where he's not fine with killing a gay family he projected himself onto yet was perfectly fine killing people that were Loona's age. Cause like holy shit imagine all the grieving fathers of those springbreak kids you killed, if any of them had two gay dads, or all the adult men Blitzo killed who could've had kids of their own.

 

[Fiwi Karmer 69420]

I see a lot of asks like this sent to Chai, but this one really got me laughing. Darkies just cannot accept that these shows are not for them. Do you really think you can force someone to draw a black character if they don't want to?

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Really it seems to me that in this universe when you die none of the race stuff or even geographic location matters anymore. Your earthly identity itself doesn't seem to matter much at all.

WE WUZZ SINNERZ AND SHIIEEEEEEEEETT

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Probably one of the few lucky and it doesn't help that girl is not really right in the head given she's into all that satanic stuff and basically got encouraged by Blitzo to get her to agree to an assisted suicide.

Like her family is probably horrified and if she likely developed any sort of self-awareness she'd probably be too.

There are legitimately people who barely did anything wrong that end up in Hazbin's Hell and as I said before, Helluva Boss shows that given how many people IMP killed who were either just bystanders, springbreakers actively killed, or were feds who were fighting demons.

Again most of these are just jokes, but with the amount of self-seriousness Helluva Boss has imposed on it, its hard not to really think of these implications especially with the sudden heel turn Blitzo had in the season 2 finale where he's not fine with killing a gay family he projected himself onto yet was perfectly fine killing people that were Loona's age. Cause like holy shit imagine all the grieving fathers of those springbreak kids you killed, if any of them had two gay dads, or all the adult men Blitzo killed who could've had kids of their own.

To be fair we don't know if those springbreakers got sent to Hell or not after they were killed. We don't know a lot of the people that IMP have intentionally or unintentionally have killed where they end up besides a few characters. It doesn't help that we don't know what exactly sends someone to Hell or Heaven. With Helluva Boss, it's mostly supposed to be for a laugh. With Hazbin Hotel...I don't know. All the people we see are pretty terrible so you can understand why they would end up in Hell.

I assume it's probably a mix of severity and the quantity of sins. But again, we just don't know. If you have consensual sex out of wedlock once, do you go to Hell? If you steal a candy bar from the local gas station, are you now guaranteed an enteral suffering?