Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[gay porn is the best porn]

Wouldn't they essentially be brothers/father and son depending on the interpretation

She's drawn incest porn before iirc so this wouldn't be her first time.

 

[A Very Big Fish]

Nobody cares about fundies any more. I can't even name the last person who got canceled by fundies.

No, Jesus is God and God's only son. Lucifer was the "brightest of the angels," hence his name, but still a creation.

I guess you could maybe say they were brothers if you went with some ultra-schizo version of Jehovah's Witness theology, where Jesus is the Archangel Michael or something.

 

[graywolf88]

She's drawn incest porn before iirc

I'm subsequently disgusted yet wholly unsurprised.

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

No, Jesus is God and God's only son. Lucifer was the "brightest of the angels," hence his name, but still a creation.

Well yeah in actual canon, but in the wack ass Hazbin universe I doubt they'd adapt something that accurately.

Satan is usually depicted as seeing God as his emotionally distant father in most modern shit I've seen, so I assume that's the angle Vivz would go with.

 

[The_Gam3]

What compels you people to keep watching this? Every time I check this thread it's like watching people stab themselves with forks and complain about how sharp it is. Is there something that makes it worth it?

It's not really about the show itself for me, its really everything surrounding it. It went from funny short pilots with loads of potential to whatever trainwreck it is now. All within 6 years. Although honestly the thought of watching any subsequent episodes, seasons, etc. ...... Like the thought man. I can't stomach it. Which is why I don't pop up often in the thread.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Unironically very likely, Vivz is the worst fujoshit I've ever seen so she'd probably have some homoerotic bullshit going on between Lucifer and Jesus as an attempt to be edgy and boundary pushing or something and then r/atheism would sperg the fuck out.

She'd probably never do Jesus x Lucifer only for two reasons:

1. She already is super into shipping Lucifer x Lilith with the idea of shipping them like the Addams family parents.

2. If she shipped Lucifer with a dude, she'd ship him with Alastor given the ship art she retweets of Lucifer is either of Lilith or Alastor

 

[California Newt]

C.S. Lewis kind of did that, but yeah, I hope they don't.

Writing God into your story at all is kind of weird altogether, since you're really just writing an idealized version of yourself in: "Hmm what would God do in this situation that I made up in my mind"—how about I don't know, man.

Unironically very likely, Vivz is the worst fujoshit I've ever seen so she'd probably have some homoerotic bullshit going on between Lucifer and Jesus as an attempt to be edgy and boundary pushing or something and then r/atheism would sperg the fuck out.

Leave Jesus alone you weirdoes. They'd probably make him a homo too.

It's kind of like DBZ in a sense: the concept of gay DBZ characters doesn't make any sense when there's multiple fusion techniques. I'm pretty sure that even if you're pro-gay, that makes sodomy obsolete (beyond pure fetishism).

Similarly. a huge chunk of the sixth chapter of St. John's Gospel is just Jesus explicitly explaining that people need to consume His flesh and blood for a mutual indwelling (I'm only posting a bit at the end here):

Spoiler: John 6:47-58 (KJV)

47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48I am that bread of life. 49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

The early Christian understanding was (is) that sexuality (meaning marriage) typologically prefigured union with God; marriage is obsolete after the New Testament, but permitted as a condescension to human weakness—see 1 Corinthians 7.

The sad part is that even beyond the blasphemy, sexualizing Jesus would show a lack of imagination. You can have a bunch of zany animal people in all kinds of crazy technicolor (mostly red), but there's no way this show would engage with actually interesting and fundamentally different kinds of relationships—the kind that a figure like Jesus, who doesn't fit into the 21st-century sex and "relationship" framework at all, would provide perfect opportunities to explore.

 

[The tired cat]

I do recall that back when Hazbin was in pilot stage, there were a few fan made versions of Jesus. One that stuck to me was him being this Dr.Cox level of a snarky bastard, who didnt waste time to shit talk Lucifer or Michael.

 

[Jhonson the Two]

The thing is that Adam is presented more of a "battle mage" in a big robe casting spells and swinging an axe, so for him to fucking bare knuckle punch Charlie (who's holding a weapon) with his lanky arm makes her look more pathetic than normal, as if you watched someone get punched by gandalf.

Charlie simply gets slapped, lands a stab while he's distracted, Adam no sells it and instantly disarms her. Girl is a worse fighter than Alastor but managed to escape fraud watch.

I'm sorry

Spoiler: gandalf fighting demons

 

[Argos]

Charlie and Blitzo as good friends? Of course, because Brandon Rogers' character can't be out of the spotlight for any reason.

How fucking  stupid.

The only way this coukd work would he if Blitz was the fat friend Charlie kept around to feel better about herself. With a heaping helping of pity and condescension because, being an imp, when Blitz dies, he's gone. No afterlife for him.

 

[gay porn is the best porn]

I'm subsequently disgusted yet wholly unsurprised.

I think it was something related to ATLA or korra

 

[CyrusHowler]

Someone saying Blitzo has “Alpha Energy” is laughable.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Vivzie really hates women and interesting conflict


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Sure, you could have made Charlie trust Blitz to do the kind of things she wouldn't be comfortable doing, but nah, listening to the man is easier.

Hopefully we can at least see Michael beating the ever-loving shit out of Lucifers manlet ass.

Now that I think about it, why didn't Michael lead the attack on Hell instead of Adam?

It'd probably be another "be vaguely nice to each other" hippie interpretation, ignoring that Jesus would absolutely not be nice to fucking demons lmao.
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Either that, or portray him as a demon-fighting superhero.

The chance to getting into Heaven or Hell is literally a lottery. No one knows how it works, not even the angels

Translation: The showrunners have no goddamn idea what to do.

I'm sorry

Spoiler: gandalf fighting demons

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"I knocked the so-called Princess of Hell out cold. Her unconscious body is quite cool."

 

[LucasSomething]

It's clear that Vivzie and Brandon are too afraid of their own fanbase to have Charlie and Blitzo dislike each other so they have to make them hyper safe relationship friends uwu they just feel confortable with each other cause they instantly tell the other is nice and good and wholesome

If Vivzie *has* to make Blitzo be nice then she has the perfect excuse in Charlie's being Lucifer's daughter and even Blitzo would know better than upseting the princess of hell. Maybe make him ignorant and misunderstand her. But noooo, charlie is not allowed to even have a wrong reputation, she "submits to the alpha male" that is blitz.

What is the point of crossovering them if the'll play it safe like this? I'm not saying you need a highly fanficy plot like "Vox hires IMP to kill alastor, wackyness ensues" but if THIS is the canon relationship then it's so boring it's actively harmful to fanon and i'm sure fanfic writers will pretend it's not canon.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

What is the point of crossovering them if the'll play it safe like this? I'm not saying you need a highly fanficy plot like "Vox hires IMP to kill alastor, wackyness ensues" but if THIS is the canon relationship then it's so boring it's actively harmful to fanon and i'm sure fanfic writers will pretend it's not canon.

Viv's writing is so terrible, it really is on par with the average fujo or popular male character x Reader/Obvious self-insert female OC fanfic. It's rare that I can say that several fanfic writers handle the source material significantly better than the creator of the damn thing.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

 

[King Metalia]

It's clear that Vivzie and Brandon are too afraid of their own fanbase to have Charlie and Blitzo dislike each other so they have to make them hyper safe relationship friends uwu they just feel confortable with each other cause they instantly tell the other is nice and good and wholesome

If Vivzie *has* to make Blitzo be nice then she has the perfect excuse in Charlie's being Lucifer's daughter and even Blitzo would know better than upseting the princess of hell. Maybe make him ignorant and misunderstand her. But noooo, charlie is not allowed to even have a wrong reputation, she "submits to the alpha male" that is blitz.

What is the point of crossovering them if the'll play it safe like this? I'm not saying you need a highly fanficy plot like "Vox hires IMP to kill alastor, wackyness ensues" but if THIS is the canon relationship then it's so boring it's actively harmful to fanon and i'm sure fanfic writers will pretend it's not canon.

Demons are not supposed to be nice!
Viv seems to have gotten the lore of angels and demons reversed.

I'm not even mad I'm genuinely confused at this point as to Viv and her teammates decisions when it comes to portraying demons.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Unironically very likely, Vivz is the worst fujoshit I've ever seen so she'd probably have some homoerotic bullshit going on between Lucifer and Jesus as an attempt to be edgy and boundary pushing or something and then r/atheism would sperg the fuck out.

Nah. She's more likely to make Lucifer and Alastor a thing because that's a very popular ship in the fandom. You know, the man who is still very much in love with his wife, and the other man who is canonically asexual and has no interest in forming such a relationship.

Nobody will buy that Charlie and Blitz like each other, because they wouldn't. Charlie is a humanist while Blitz is a nihilistic hedonist whose sole concern is getting people to like him. Honestly, this is much more damaging to Charlie's character than anyone else because it makes her look like a massive pussy with no prinicples.

Charlie is very much a woman with no solid principles. You think she would try to talk with Carmilla first about not selling angelic weapons to other Sinners. Because you can not convince me that Sinners aren't getting their hands on these sort of weapons to permanently kill each other.

Also there is the fact that Charlie just...doesn't give a shit about hellborn. She cares more about the people who come to Hell because they most likely deserve it, than the people who were just born their by circumstances and are being screwed over by these more powerful and immortal beings. They already have to deal with the ars goetia and Deadly Sins in their daily lives. Do they really have to also suffer from essentially unkillible beings who are probably even more unpredictable than the higher-ups?

 

[sixuglymidgets]

Nah. She's more likely to make Lucifer and Alastor a thing because that's a very popular ship in the fandom. You know, the man who is still very much in love with his wife, and the other man who is canonically asexual and has no interest in forming such a relationship.

Charlie is very much a woman with no solid principles. You think she would try to talk with Carmilla first about not selling angelic weapons to other Sinners. Because you can not convince me that Sinners aren't getting their hands on these sort of weapons to permanently kill each other.

Also there is the fact that Charlie just...doesn't give a shit about hellborn. She cares more about the people who come to Hell because they most likely deserve it, than the people who were just born their by circumstances and are being screwed over by these more powerful and immortal beings. They already have to deal with the ars goetia and Deadly Sins in their daily lives. Do they really have to also suffer from essentially unkillible beings who are probably even more unpredictable than the higher-ups?

Exactly! Also shouldn't the hellborn be more powerful than the sinners?

 

[Saxxon]

Are you guys ready for tomorrow's short? Now with added political commentary!

Edit:

It will be interesting to see who wrote this one.