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[Kalsarikännit]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying "reproduction is the only act worth anything" is such a miserable, depressing worldview that if it's the case, we should all kill ourselves out of despair even if we succeeded in that "ultimate purpose".

Oh, but that’s also not what I’m saying. I’m saying that if you want to have a lasting impact on Earth, the only thing that gives you that ability is the ability to create new life.

I suppose I wasn’t supplying any context with how I see the world when I said that, nor did I explain what I feel is important to do in life.

If someone doesn’t care about leaving a lasting impact, then it probably doesn’t matter to them if they have kids or not.

What if you invent something like the computer or create a fantastic piece of art?

That sort of thing can definitely survive you, and maybe even survive your culture/time period, but nothing has persisted in this existence like the unbroken chain of reproduction that started who-knows-when and will continue for who-knows-how-long.

Either way, if that stops there won’t be anything alive to appreciate the accomplishments anyone makes anyway.

 

[Matt Damon]

Oh, but that’s also not what I’m saying. I’m saying that if you want to have a lasting impact on Earth, the only thing that gives you that ability is the ability to create new life.

Life must either have value *on its own merits* or it's equally value-less to leave a "lasting impact". Leaving a big dent in a pile of rubble doesn't magically make it important or worth something.

It's like the nihilist faggots who say "well, what's the point of life if we just die anyway?" Well, what the fuck would the point of living forever be if the actual experience of living isn't sufficient for its own sake?

The arguments being made for these ideas are internally inconsistent.

 

[The Cheese Aisle]

Either way, if that stops there won’t be anything alive to appreciate the accomplishments anyone makes anyway.

If it makes you feel better, you will also not be alive to appreciate the accomplishments anyone makes, even if you do reproduce, beyond a certain point (great-great grandchildren if you’re extremely lucky or if your offspring have children early, and then there’s no guarantee that they will reproduce after you’re gone or in general). So you might as well have a good time while you’re here

Edit: I think a desire for a legacy is really a deep-seated fear of mortality (since people see themselves “living on” in their children), which I totally get on a personal level and also as the antithesis of some primary motivators (eat, reproduce, don’t die)

 

[Kalsarikännit]

It's like the nihilist faggots who say "well, what's the point of life if we just die anyway?" Well, what the fuck would be the point of living forever be if the actual experience of living isn't sufficient for its own sake?

The way I see it, the point of life is to learn and pass what you learn into the next generation. Just living is only half of the purpose of life.

If it makes you feel better, you will also not be alive to appreciate the accomplishments anyone makes, even if you do reproduce, beyond a certain point (great-great grandchildren if you’re extremely lucky or if your offspring have children early). So you might as well have a good time while you’re here

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a doomer about life, and I think living an interesting life with lots of fun experiences is both important and conducive to helping pass the baton.

 

[Nick Obre]

I have to really roll my eyes at this reddit-tier response, right down to you deliberately reframing what I've said to play the internet gentleman. And the idea that I'd be a murderer and stick a bunch of strange chemicals and plastics into the ground is pretty offensive.

Bröther, it was you that was proclaiming you were gonna do gay ops on your ex when the time is right.

Do calm down.

 

[Matt Damon]

Just living is only half of the purpose of life.

By your own assertions, living itself is no purpose at all:

But what’s the point of life if you’re not going to keep the chain going, to pass both your genes and knowledge indefinitely into the future? I don’t think there is one.

Honestly yeah, if you’re not planning to have a family there’s really a marginal difference between living out your life and committing suicide.

Hell, if life is so worthless on its own terms, it seems unconscionable to reproduce and subject your children and all their descendants to such a hopeless endeavor. By your own reasoning, the noble thing would be to break the chain of futility now.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

Edit: I think a desire for a legacy is really a deep-seated fear of mortality (since people see themselves “living on” in their children), which I totally get on a personal level and also as the antithesis of some primary motivators (eat, reproduce, don’t die)

I see it as the logical conclusion of accepting that, at some point in the future, no one will remember you or your name or who you were in life. How do you have an impact without those things? Have kids and even though your ancestors won’t remember you, they’ll be around changing the world in their own ways because you decided to create them.

By your own reasoning, the noble thing would be to break the chain of futility now.

I don’t see it as a chain of futility, or see life as suffering. I see it as a chain into the infinite future.

 

[The Cheese Aisle]

I see it as the logical conclusion of accepting that, at some point in the future, no one will remember you or your name or who you were in life. How do you have an impact without those things? Have kids and even though your ancestors won’t remember you, they’ll be around changing the world in their own ways because you decided to create them.

Acceptance to me means making choices regardless of the fact that eventually nobody will remember my name because it’s something I won’t be able to control. There are so many reasons to have/not have children that are relevant in this lifetime without bringing ancestors that may never exist into the equation. Not that I’m telling you how to live or what choices to make, by any means, just what acceptance means to me.

 

[DavidS877]

https://www.realdoll.com/

This might be suitable for some people, as they're debatably better then a bipolar feminazi that does little around the house.

If you're going to pay $7000 for a silicone doll, maybe it should at least not be hideously ugly.

I second this recommendation. Keeps anyone who would buy one away from real women.

I figure women would be thrilled with men having these options, same with AI girlfriends, etc.

 

[Matt Damon]

I see it as a chain into the infinite future.

A chain in which being a link on its own terms for its own sake is worth nothing. The only activity of any value is producing the next link.

Sorry, I just cannot see that as anything but a nightmare of literally infinite futility.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

A chain in which being a link on its own terms for its own sake is worth nothing. The only activity of any value is producing the next link.

Sorry, I just cannot see that as anything but a nightmare of literally infinite futility.

And that’s certainly the glass-half-empty way to see it. I just don’t see it that way.

 

[KittyGremlin]

I'm hanging in there but my life is a lie

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

A chain in which being a link on its own terms for its own sake is worth nothing. The only activity of any value is producing the next link.

Sorry, I just cannot see that as anything but a nightmare of literally infinite futility.

"Value" presupposed a valuer. What entities "value" producing the next link, and why are we as individuals supposed to care? Life has no grand purpose or meaning, it just is, and I think nobody is really justifying the assumption why we have to worry about things that survive us or why we absolutely have to care about making an impact that lasts as utterly long as possible. That's just a personal desire to be remembered. I try not to go through life worrying about grand things like that. Worry about people you actually care about, make your legacy improving their future or agenda, not being some hero to the world.

In fact, I think all that talk has been damaging for society, with all these activists trying to get their grubby fingers in people's pies.

Bröther, it was you that was proclaiming you were gonna do gay ops on your ex when the time is right.

Do calm down.

Not quite what I said, and just trust me, if you knew what I knew you'd see things my way. 100%, without a doubt, and you would understand the full reasons. I'm just avoiding mentioning any detail of all that could describe it. This is not the sort of thing that would or could generalize to other relationships.

I'm hanging in there but my life is a lie

How so?

 

[Matt Damon]

What entities "value" producing the next link, and why are we as individuals supposed to care? Life has no grand purpose or meaning, it just is, and I think nobody is really justifying the assumption why we have to worry about things that survive us or why we absolutely have to care about making an impact that lasts as utterly long as possible.

That was @Kalsarinännit's whole thesis. We can't very well have the conversation if I don't accept his worldview as axiomatic.

 

[CowPox]

Suspiciously well, but don't worry i'm sure the great fall is just around the bend...

 

[KittyGremlin]

How so?

There is a saying where I live that translates roughly to "The idiot gets beaten in the church, too", meaning that life takes pity on no-one and that everyone is responsible for it regardless of their ability. It's a deeply anti-"woke" sentiment that I find somewhat painful to admit but wise to internalize.

I am that idiot. I wasted my time and energy on people who don't give a shit because I thought I didn't deserve anything more than scraps. Starting to realize that nothing is better than my current situation and I'd rather be sad than fake being content.

 

[CowPox]

Suspiciously well, but don't worry i'm sure the great fall is just around the bend...

 

[Kalsarikännit]

We can't very well have the conversation if I don't accept his worldview as axiomatic.

I never said it was. This entire discussion hinges on the fact that I myself value having a lasting impact on the universe. I make no assumptions about what others want or value. If my ancestors as some point decide to not reproduce, it’s out of my power to care or do anything and it is what it is.

That's just a personal desire to be remembered.

Of course.

 

[The Feline Solution]

Predictably, it took three days for my brain to adjust to being normal/sober. Doing good except general boredom. Thinking of tossing the whole drug shit for good, for the umpteenth time. I see myself staying off it for four to five weeks and then getting back on it, this has been the pattern for the last three years. What can ya do, though?
Visiting my cousin was fun and long needed, we used to get fucked up on the regular but are doing everything sober for quite some time now, he stopped drinking because of a health scare and i don't show up at his when i am high because he got kids. My nephew isn't as far gone in the militant christian way as he told me before but i had a blast talking with him anyways, he's a good kid, growing into becoming a good adult. Not up to any of the degeneracy i was already knee-deep into when i was his age.

she broke up with me a hour lmfao

Speedrunning this shit

Would've never lasted anyway. Any person that’s not racist or transmisic belongs to the streets.

Amen. Finding a significant other who has similar views as myself on troon and long-nose tribe shit, who isn't fucking muslim, has been a godsend for me. Didn't even have to pull her towards these views, she's an immigrant from a white, christian country and i swear at least to some degree the world is still alright over there.

Found out my Amazon refund for my CPU I sent back is going to gift card in store credit. Thats.... fun. At least I won't have to worry about Amazon purchases for a long while.

Should've raised a stink and demanded cash, it's surprising with how much you can get away with if you go the customer service route with Amazon. I did it the last time when i bought shoes via Prime, they not only got delivered late but also sent to a store near me that has ridiculous opening times (like 10AM - 1PM on saturdays) with me having had no chance of picking them up, i let them call me up via the website option and they sent the shoes again, no problem. So theorethically i could've found time to pick up my original order and getting the new order as well, didn't do it because i am not a nigger like that. Also, there used to be a loophole where you could get refunds on food stuff without having to send opened product back, i have a friend who used to get 200€+ in supplements that way each month because supps fell under food stuff. They fixed that particular loophole, though.

 

[Cod of War]

Woke up with intense back pain. I took some Advil but with no other choice I did some back pain exercises shown on youtube and they actually helped a lot. There's a still a pain but it's not constant and nowhere near as bad. Hopefully, it's gone by tomorrow.