US How Can Anyone Afford to Teach Anymore?

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Teacher shortages have been reported in all fifty states, and 86 percent of public schools are hard pressed to fill vacant teaching positions. Low pay is often cited as a cause of the shortages. Let’s put that in context.

On average, teacher pay in the United States is nearly 25 percent less than what other college graduates receive, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). If you are a teacher in New Hampshire, as I am, your paycheck is nearly 30 percent less than other college graduates. Let that sink in.

People who go into teaching are taking on the same level of debt as other college graduates (or more), yet they are receiving nowhere near the same financial benefits. The typical U.S. graduate with a four year degree walked away with their diploma and $29,417 in debt in 2022. In my home state, the average debt for a bachelor’s degree topped the nation at an astounding $39,928.

Undoubtedly, this economic reality of the teaching profession is having an impact on teacher prep programs, which are seeing a drastic reduction in the number of enrollees. This in turn means fewer new teachers entering the profession. When the cost of a degree is paired with the “teacher pay penalty,” to use EPI’s terminology, the math is undeniable: politicians are shortchanging teachers.

Teachers are being paid roughly seventy cents on the dollar for their labor. If most other jobs had this kind of wage disparity during a labor shortage, employers would increase wages to attract qualified professionals into the field. Instead, what we’re seeing are rightwing activists using fear tactics, book bans targeting Black and LGBTQ+ histories, and direct threats to the livelihood of teachers in an attempt to erode confidence in public schools. These attacks have a high price: the financial future of educators.

In my more than a decade of working in public schools, I can attest to the fact that teachers are selfless. But we can only carry so much for so long. We’re only human. It’s time we exclaim with a collective and unified voice: Pay teachers more! Local, state and federal governments must invest in public educators now. We cannot afford to balance society’s books on the backs of teachers.

Fair pay and freedom to read might sound “far out” after a year that saw a record number of books banned and a record income gap between teachers and other professions.

The truth is every community in America needs to come together for our schools, our profession, and our communities now more than ever. Every student deserves a dedicated teacher and every teacher deserves fair pay for their dedication.

Educators have long been asked to carry the burden of underfunding. But the data shows that in the not so distant past, things were a bit more fair when it comes to educator pay. In 1996, the difference between teacher wages and other college grads was about $300 per week. Today, that difference is over twice that and rising.

The shrinking purchasing power of educators coincides with classroom jobs being more difficult and demanding. Every educator strives to create classrooms of compassionate care, but the day to day experiences and the broader data show that we are facing a systemic crisis when it comes to the mental health of young people. Widespread anxiety and hopelessness among students must be taken seriously and responded to with increased investment in public schools. We cannot continue to ask the schools that serve those that have the greatest needs to do so with least resources.

In the richest country in the world, we can do so much better. What will it take to reverse the trend?

We need our unions to be reinvigorated by the transformative energy and passion of classroom educators. From early educators who teach the ABCs to the high school teachers who teach calculus, we need everyone to pull together to defend our public schools, the pillar of our democratic way of life.

We must draw inspiration from our brothers and sisters across the country and find common cause with those battling inequity in other industries. We can see the gains that are rapidly being made by teachers in Los Angeles and by workers in other sectors, such as with the Writers Guild of America, the United Auto Workers, and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, whose successful strikes resulted in significant pay increases and other concessions.

UAW President Shawn Fain and President Joe Biden agree that “record profits should mean record contracts.” The present economic conditions favor workers more than any time in the past two decades. States with significant budget surpluses must make significant investments in teachers and public schools. This includes states like Texas, where the $32.7 billion surplus could be used to attract and retain professional educators, a step toward redressing chronically low pay.

Public support for labor continues to be at a generational high. Seventy-five percent of the public believes that teachers are underpaid. And a majority of the public hold a favorable view of their own local educators. Now is our time. Let’s reverse the trends of widening wealth gaps.

Economic justice for educators means providing financial support to the schools that serve all students. Raises for public school educators must reflect our professional status and our contributions to community life. Educators must earn wages that match those with similar educational backgrounds and experience in other fields.

This kind of investment is something that will take political will that must be cultivated in each community with the people who know those communities the best—educators, parents, and people who see how our way of life is intricately intertwined with quality public schools.
 
White shooters, black shooters, what?
Because the piece litterally said white men were the most dangerous with a gun and I brought up stats to point out how that was a lie

If you believe that a single word of that story is true beyond "I failed a high school writing assignment and am still mad about it a decade an a half later"
You're the one asking for people to tell stories about leftist teachers. I responded to your post and you're assmad about it since you lack critical thinking skills
there's any value in bringing up /pol/ talking points in a fucking English class essay have far less self-awareness than they think they do.
This was back in 07, way before /pol/ was founded. And the guy that got into fucking Standford also received the same treatment, even asking me if I could help him out if he didn't receive an A in class
I'm younger than he is and I couldn't tell you what I got on my high school English essays
1. I'm not a midwit like you
2. it was the only time I saw an F in any of my assignments
3. still talk to the Standford guy and we always joke about that
 
the budget gets wasted on useless administrative personnel rather than actual teachers.
Teaching attracts activist types like flies to shit no matter what you pay them. Pay them more and you'll make it even more enticing for them to become teachers.
Yes. Across everything, but we feel it more with teaching because it's all reported online and people have children so they see school budgets and then huge classroom sizes. Humanity would be better off if everyone who wanted to be an HR rep was quietly murdered at the end of her "college degree".
Teachers shouldn't go to college to teach. It's like how the best politicians aren't career politicians.
Lowering standards and emphasizing hands-on training would be an improvement.
There are certainly exceptions: I think some of why I "struggled" with math in primary and secondary ed (but then majored in it) was because a lot of my teachers just didn't fucking understand what they were teaching. Early math definitely makes more sense the more math you--as a teacher--can grasp (probably because you realize you can prove it sixteen ways). It's then easier to teach to different students. But, a fundamental skill in life and the current age is figuring out how to teach oneself from a book (or the Internet).

I have a lot of thoughts on the strengths and weaknesses of the traditional American liberal arts curricula. In short, I think the model works extremely well at both upper and lower levels when it's implemented well. I hypothesize a lot of the glut we currently see is a function of downplaying critical thought at the tertiary level which itself is a function of Asians and arbitrary requirements infiltrating all of education (but primarily tertiary). Lemme know if you want me to sperg moar.
This includes states like Texas, where the $32.7 billion surplus could be used to attract and retain professional educators, a step toward redressing chronically low pay.
Ha, Texas doesn't have enforceable teachers' unions and is paying new hires top dollar. Not sure what the point is here.
I worked a temp job as a substitute math teacher on occasion. The students understood my methods better than what their regular teacher thought and in many cases I had to forgoe the planned review and instead teach them shit that was crucial. I've never taken a teaching course but instead learned through working as a tutor. An undergraduate for teaching should be about learning your actual field better.
Right. A lot of teachers are fucking retarded. More teachers are taught to teach from material that doesn't work. Lecture-based classes have existed for, what, three millennia at least? But either it's "hands on" or a PowerPoint. I once applied for a job that required me to make a super-comprehensive ppt, and the team for which I was interviewing loved it, and I entered with, "But this is unreadable and won't work for informing executives, so I would nix X, Y, and Z portions." I probably didn't get the job for other reasons, but I recognize that I also cannot work in a situation where people are so fucking stupid.
Standford
I'm autistic enough to not know if you're joking.
 
I'm autistic enough to not know if you're joking
Both

I usually missspell the Ivyleagues or pretend to have never heard of them just to make the alumni mad. Many of them take great pride in their Alma-matter and make it their identity, so it's a good way to make them seethe. But in this case it was just a misspelling and I've fucked with my autocorrect for far too long that it misses gibberish
 
Pay teachers more and you will attract a higher caliber of candidate. Pay teachers less and you get the hugboxers we have now
Teachers are often paid plenty and get plenty benefits.

Part of what can make teaching suck is disciplinary issues with students or huge classrooms. Having a single teacher for 30 kids or even 20 (which I think is the lower end) is a bit much for a single class. You also can't kick troublemakers out of school since it has to act as a daycare system.

You have to be kinda insane to be willing to put up with the conditions which is probably causes bleeding hearts to seemingly be attracted to it, they're the ones willing to treat the schools like daycares and deal with the horrific school conditions.

It's also goofy that teachers would need to bring their lunch to work or eat the equivalent of prison food because we can't dare do more with the school cafeterias. How many want to get a degree to work a job where you need to bring your lunch to work everyday rather than be able to eat some decent food there. But we can't improve the school food because then there wouldn't be money in the budget for the kids that don't/can't pay.

How much more comfortable would teachers be if they could go to the cafeteria for some decent Chinese food? Or London broil? Not exactly difficult stuff, there are practically zero standards for these cafeterias, zero standards for the students, zero standards for the teacher work hours, no standards for qualifications, and so on.

The whole experience sounds dehumanizing as anyone that has been through a public school would know. You can't improve the job and get better teachers unless you are willing to dramatically change what schools look like.
 
On average, teacher pay in the United States is nearly 25 percent less than what other college graduates receive, according to a study by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). If you are a teacher in New Hampshire, as I am, your paycheck is nearly 30 percent less than other college graduates. Let that sink in.
My rebuttal:
Future Teachers Scoring Way Low On SAT.png
It's been noted for going on 20 years that people who get Education degrees are some of the dumbest people on campus, which only gets more curious when they turn up for graduation with high GPAs. There are a few possible explanations for this: the future teachers of America get their acts together in the span of four years and are shining exemplars of higher education, or, their curriculum is so weak that dumbasses can fly through it easily.
In my more than a decade of working in public schools, I can attest to the fact that teachers are selfless. But we can only carry so much for so long. We’re only human. It’s time we exclaim with a collective and unified voice: Pay teachers more! Local, state and federal governments must invest in public educators now. We cannot afford to balance society’s books on the backs of teachers.
Go drive a truck.
Fair pay and freedom to read might sound “far out” after a year that saw a record number of books banned
It comes right back to reading tranny books, doesn't it?
 
The school system is completely detrimental to society and fails to actually have children learn anything. All it does it just force children to wake up at 6 am but the issue at hand is the teachers (who get paid a mid 5 figure salary which, enough to support themselves) don't get paid enough. Wow.
 
Coming out of high school, and for the bulk of my college education, I was aiming to be a teacher. Specifically a history teacher. But I was dissuaded from that path by just how politicized history had become, and this was a decent number of years ago. Like, my university actually used A People's History of the United States as the primary textbook for three of my American history courses! In the training for teaching history, at least as much as I ever received, I was very rarely encouraged to learn the whys of history, never to dig deeper into history so that I could explain it to my hypothetical future students. Instead, in a mirror of what was expected of said future students, I was merely expected to repeat, to regurgitate state approved agitprop about history.

Giving up on the idea was the best thing for my life IMO. I now make more money than the typical teacher and don't have to deal with the shitholes that schools have become! Funny how the blue collar workers that the author of this piece — and most teachers — would no doubt sneer at as being "beneath them" and "uneducated white trash" are able to carve out a better niche than they ever will.
 
I wonder if anyone anywhere has actually tried paying teachers drastically more and investing more money into schooling in general and then saw that student outcomes continued to decline at the same rate that they had been previously? That would be pretty wild if there was over a decade of data from Colorado showing exactly that.
 
Low teacher pay is a lie, the amount of benefits teachers get and low hours (at least in my country) makes the profession pay quite well when factored together.

People don't want to be teachers since there are way too many politics involved, the curriculum is retarded due to Obama era changes, there is no way to actually enforce good behaviour on children and no one wants to be beaten half to death by some autistic chimp.
 
Also, the way to fix schools is to segregate most blacks, Hispanics who don't speak English as the primary home language
I went to LAUSD. The already put many Mexicans in ESL and tended to segregate them in high school with shop classes.

Niggers should be though to be ditch diggers if they can't play sports
 
Controversial opinion: I'm not sure a lot of elementary education should require a college degree. The undergrad teacher programs I see are usually touchy-feely indoctrination and learned martyrdom. The best way to become a better teacher is to teach. It's like with nursing: at a certain point, a trade school certificate is fine.
People are working 10, 15 years longer than they did in the 1990s (because people are living longer and 30 years of retirement is a long time).

I think there ought to be more paths to become a teacher after you have had a career in industry than just sticking some 60 year old guy in a college classroom with a bunch of 21 year olds for years on end. Maybe a 2 month training course or something, but you certainly don't need 1, 2+ years of training to become a glorified babysitter.

Most teachers have never done the thing they're teaching. I think it would be hugely beneficial to students to be taught their business courses by a former executive, or their physics & math courses by a former engineer, their English classes taught by a former journoroach, etc.

And that's just for high school. Anyone remotely technical and competent can teach grade school courses -- I could probably teach grade school geometry, fractions, science, etc. in my sleep and so can you.

Get some people into this profession who want to do it, instead of just the zoomer losers who are forced to do it because they couldn't find a job in their field.
 
We now have the technology, like pre-recorded lectures that are essentially free to distribute, required to minimize labor involved in education yet keep training shitloads of midwits (education grads' SAT scores are consistently in the bottom third of all major students). Hell, resources like Khan Academy were better than some of my University teachers.

Then again, the goal of public school is babysitting to maximize the taxe base so it's not as if constantly declining scores for the last 50 years axtually bothers the powers that be.
 
I think it’s all by design tbh. No one who ought to teach is going to because the pay is shit. If they’re smart and capable they’ll go elsewhere. So all that leaves is the bottom of the barrel chaff and the usual ideologically-motivated suspects.
 
Only 20% people actually need schooling after the age of 8. Can you write your name? Can you count to purple? Okay, you're ready.

17% skilled tradesmen - the men that actually keep a country functioning need to go to technical college

3% intellectuals, STEM types need to go to university

The other 80% are potatoes who should be sent to work on their 9th birthday. Education would be infinitely more straight forward if we just educated those who can be educated.
 
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