How is suburban living any better than bugmanism?

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I'm not gonna say living in a pod closet is good, but living in the suburbs doesn't feel much better.

1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.

2. You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.

3. You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors. You remain atomized in your own little fiefdom. You don't have nature to admire or fresh air to breathe.

4. You're expected to keep up with the Joneses, send the kids to the best schools and have them play sports with the kids who are better, have the nicest cars and TVs, gadgets, vacations, etc. The suburbs as we know them today are built on consoomerism.

5. You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).

Maybe I've forgotten how good I have it in the 'burbs, but right now it feels increasingly like a claustrophobic gilded gulag.
 
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1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.
I can see how this is going to go: very thunk-provoking. Anyway, many homeowners don't have mortgages, they've paid them off, or never had to get one, and many places don't have HOAs
2. You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.
You can do better than this
3. You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors. You remain atomized in your own little fiefdom. You don't have nature to admire or fresh air to breathe.
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4. You're expected to keep up with the Joneses, send the kids to the best schools and have them play sports with the kids who are better, have the nicest cars and TVs, gadgets, vacations, etc. The suburbs as we know them today are built on consoomerism.
Go live in a cave while I enjoy material comforts you're wasting my time
5. You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).
Orly
Maybe I've forgotten how good I have it in the 'burbs, but right now it feels increasingly like a claustrophobic gilded gulag.
Do better next OP pls
 
Suburbs have more white people.
For all the good that does. You still get faggots who fly BLM/tranny/Ukraine at least once a street.
I can see how this is going to go: very thunk-provoking. Anyway, many homeowners don't have mortgages, they've paid them off, or never had to get one, and many places don't have HOAs

You can do better than this

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Go live in a cave while I enjoy material comforts you're wasting my time

Orly

Do better next OP pls
Maybe it's the bougie fuckwits I live around, not the suburbs in principle. Idk. Just feels like everyone in my town is a gormless mouth-breather who goes around with their heads up their asses.
 
For all the good that does. You still get faggots who fly BLM/tranny/Ukraine at least once a street.

Maybe it's the bougie fuckwits I live around, not the suburbs in principle. Idk. Just feels like everyone in my town is a gormless mouth-breather who goes around with their heads up their asses.
Sounds like you live in an inferior suburb. Maek more money, move, git gud noob
 
1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.
I don't live in an HOA neighborhood and one owes a mortgage / rent wherever they live until the property is paid off.
2. You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.
I tried getting assigned to a different station in a rural area but it's all full of people riding out until their retirement or newbies getting a foot in the door.


Where I live is a compromise of a truly rural area.
3. You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors. You remain atomized in your own little fiefdom. You don't have nature to admire or fresh air to breathe.
I speak to my neighbors about every week and I like it that way. Plus my neighbor is about 100 yards from my front door.

4. You're expected to keep up with the Joneses, send the kids to the best schools and have them play sports with the kids who are better, have the nicest cars and TVs, gadgets, vacations, etc. The suburbs as we know them today are built on consoomerism.
Yeah...no.

I don't play the consoomerism game and only a couple in about the only my street give that big a shit about stuff


5. You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).
I don't live in a liberal area.
 
1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.
Not all suburbs have HOAs/shit neighbors. Paying a mortgage is infinitely better than paying rent if you don't want to leave your current home anytime soon since paying a mortgage gives you an increasing %age of the home that you can sell or use as collateral in the future while paying rent earns you nothing except the privilege of staying there until the end of your agreement. Rent is also proportionally more expensive than a mortgage since the landlord will charge higher living rates in the interest of staying profitable in their rental business.
2. You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.
Being stuck in rush hour traffic in my own car is way better than being stuck in rush hour traffic on a bus/metro sitting next to some stranger. You've seen all those videos of feral nogs and hobos causing trouble on public transport, right? Like it's straight up not even close to the point that I (and probably many others) will defend my car privileges by force should the feds ever get uppity enough to come for my car.
3. You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors. You remain atomized in your own little fiefdom. You don't have nature to admire or fresh air to breathe.
You can find communities outside of your neighborhood if your neighbors are lame and don't like to host/come to grilling parties. This is one of those things where this point can be either a good or bad thing depending on how good your neighbors are.
4. You're expected to keep up with the Joneses, send the kids to the best schools and have them play sports with the kids who are better, have the nicest cars and TVs, gadgets, vacations, etc. The suburbs as we know them today are built on consoomerism.
This contradicts point 3. Do you care about your neighbors or not? If no, then this problem (if you can call it that) is already solved provided you avoid HOA's like the plague. I will never live somewhere that mandates my lawn decoration/upkeep or any other aspect of my life. It's my fucking lawn and I will mow it on my own time. If anything HOA's should be paying owners for mowing on the organization's schedule, not the other way around.
5. You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).
Then move to a red state's suburb far away from the capital or any blue bubble cities. Problem solved. They aren't exactly unicorns in my experience.
 
1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.
If ownership is defined by not having to pay to keep something, you can never own a house because you always have to pay property tax and they'll take it away from you if you don't pay... is this what they mean when they say "you will own nothing and be happy"? Are we already there?
 
I don't give a shit what flag people fly. I appreciate having space to grow valuable herbs and spices and the occasional extremely healthy and fresh meal item. I love my trees, I love my birds, my squirrels, my snakes, my flowers, my butterflies, my dragonflies, my bees. Hell, I might get into beekeeping. Can't have that in a shithole apartment where you constantly hear people screaming at each other through the walls. So what if it's expensive. What's the point of money if you don't spend it on things that enrich your time here on earth. HOAs only pop up if you let your neighborhood go to shit and have to be tardwrangled and on the other end, endless revolving doors of low-fidelity renters also only form if your block goes to shit. That's why you HAVE to talk to your neighbors, welcome new people to the neighborhood with a pie, have parties, ask people if they need any help.

Suburbs were planned to spread people out and give them autonomy, which is a deterrent for nuclear destruction of metropoli sapping the usable manpower and technical skill of any given area. If you don't use what you're blessed with that's on you. Fuck a flag, you wanna keep people from turning into draws on society. Make friends and lift them up, that's your neighbor, your countryman.
 
I don't know, how is living in the modern world in general any better than bugmanism?

Suburbs are simply up the sliding scale of bugmanism from rural living, but down from city living.

And the reality is that for as long as society has existed, someone could've always argued that you're not really free, but there's also a lot of benefits to living in population centers like having access to more services, so being in a sane suburb is a reasonable compromise.

Suburbs were planned to spread people out and give them autonomy, which is a deterrent for nuclear destruction of metropoli sapping the usable manpower and technical skill of any given area. If you don't use what you're blessed with that's on you. Fuck a flag, you wanna keep people from turning into draws on society. Make friends and lift them up, that's your neighbor, your countryman.
Unfortunately the middle class seems very intent on not getting along, because it does take deliberate effort.
A lot of the bigger sources of angst and unhappiness in the modern world could be lessened if people were just less complacent about having an umbilical attached to the establishment at all times at the expense of their relationship to everything else, and if they'd practice some class consciousness.

Things are a little too smooth right now for the suburbs to really socially cohere, things will have to get tough before the average suburbanite leaves their house in unison and says to their neighbor "Hey this stinks, we should stick together".
 
seeing a lot of copes from poors who can't afford a house in the city. :)
 
Can confirm. The shit that I encounter whenever I'm on the road, I'd have enough material either for stand-up, or to just stick it in a book and publish that shit.
If someone is obstructing my path or slowing me down, I assume they are doing so on purpose.

And waiting at red lights, even for 10 seconds, is worse than cock and ball torture to me.

Patience? I've spent my whole life being patient. All it has gotten me is a whole lot of my time on this earth down the drain.
 
1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.
I mean you own it completely when its paid off. Usury is tripple gay through. Also, many places in America do not have HOAs. They are most common in my area for more urban condo developments.
2. You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.
Are you in a large suburb? The shit drivers in my experience only exist near and in the cities. I'd argue freedom doesn't come merely with driving. Rather being able to go anywhere on your own time. Beats having to ride for hours on someone else's clock than having to walk through the designated shooting street.
3. You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors. You remain atomized in your own little fiefdom. You don't have nature to admire or fresh air to breathe.
Community disintegration is an issue everywhere. I may be biased, but every suburb I have lived in has been near farm land or a park. Its a major missed opportunity that most suburbs are in massive developments with nothing but buildings for miles.
4. You're expected to keep up with the Joneses, send the kids to the best schools and have them play sports with the kids who are better, have the nicest cars and TVs, gadgets, vacations, etc. The suburbs as we know them today are built on consoomerism.
People like that exist everywhere. There is no escape from consumer whores.
5. You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).
I can't argue about having to deal with suburban liberals. At least you have more distance from them, even if they are your neighbors.
 
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I mean you own it completely when its paid off. Usury is tripple gay through. Also, many places in America do not have HOAs. They are most common in my area for more urban condo developments.
For all common and nearly all uncommon purposes you are considered the property owner if you have a mortgage. The bank doesn't own it, you do. The bank only owns it if you don't pay up as you agreed to. The bank doesn't agree to let you occupy the property like a renter or leaseholder. It agrees to give you the money to buy the property, in return for you paying it back with interest, or giving up the property if you don't. Bank doesn't own it. Bank owns the right to own it if you no gib bank monies
 
You also get a financial benefit since mortgage interest is tax deductible. This adds up to a massive amount near the beginning of your mortgage
 
If you live in the suburbs, you're expected to get around on your own. You're lucky if you live by public transportation or near some stores. You're likely to live by noise or crime in the city. At least in suburbia, you have peace and quiet (relatively.)
 
1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.
Even with a mortgage, you're still gaining equity. If you get a mortgage on a home, live there 10 years, then decide to sell and move, you will be able to walk away with money assuming you didn't let the place fall apart during your stay. As long as you didn't buy the place at the height of some crazy bubble, homes rarely depreciate in value over long periods of time. Meanwhile 10 years in an apartment you leave with nothing except a cleaning bill if you didn't do a good enough job cleaning before you left.

As far as Karen and the HOA, it's simple, don't buy a house in a hoa. Even websites like zillow allow you to filter out places with hoa fees, and if you work with a realtor, be upfront with them that any hoa is completely unacceptable and to not bother even bringing those places to your attention.

2. You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.
I lived most of my life in an inner-ring suburb with decent transit, I got a car when I was 17, and my wife never learned to drive. places that took me 5-10 minutes in a car to get to on a moments notice, it would take her 15-20 minutes to arrive in the same place, and could only be done every 15 minutes or half hour depending on time of day. I have been driving for 25 years in a fairly populated area and have been in exactly 1 accident where the grand total in damage to my car was under $100.

3. You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors. You remain atomized in your own little fiefdom. You don't have nature to admire or fresh air to breathe.
It's a choice. I am friends with a couple of my neighbors, and others I couldn't even tell you their names. I am not forced to share a wall with tyquandrius who likes to turn his extra-bass boosted ghetto blaster up to 11 to impress shaniquerandria at 3am. Or have captain diabetes and his wife Bessy stomping around on the level above me. Yes if I am grilling in my back yard, I might hear the neighbor kids playing next door but that's something that doesn't bother me. and if it does, I have the option of taking my food back inside and closing the door.

In short, on a given day I get to choose if I wish to interact with my neighbors, or if I want to just sit in my house and ignore the outside world for a while, barring exceptional circumstances, it is never forced onto me.

While its no national park, my yard is big enough to have 5 pretty large old maple trees on it along with a number of smaller bushes is pretty good for just stepping out my back door. There are also some pretty decent parks inside of a 15 minute drive from my place.

4. You're expected to keep up with the Joneses, send the kids to the best schools and have them play sports with the kids who are better, have the nicest cars and TVs, gadgets, vacations, etc. The suburbs as we know them today are built on consoomerism.
Fuck the Joneses. I grew up fairly punk back in the 80's and don't care what other people do. Trying to send your kids to the best school you can, expecially if it gets them away from the indoctronation camps that public school is is just good parenting.
If your kid is on a sports team, there's like 20ish kids per team. that means in a game there are 40 kids, expecting your kids to be the best is just unrealistic.

Heck, learning the life lesson that working hard and bettering yourself is great, but it doesn't mean you're owed a win is a good thing. when I grew up I had friends who had nicer things than me and friends who, looking back, were bordering on poverty.

Trying to be a 'snowplow' parent and push every bit of hardship and adversity out of the path of your kid does more harm than anything else.

I fail to see how it's any different than inside the hives where you have hipsters with the newest iphone they paid thousands for, 100 dollar pre-ripped jeans and flannel and the trendiest micro-apartment that has less total space than some of the bedrooms in my house

5. You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).
I don't see the problem if you're comparing suburbs to the bughives. Even full on rural living can be screwed up by terrible government policies brought on by the idiots living in cities. The only real solution here is to move to another state entirely if you want to get away from that in a meaningful way.

I'd rather deal with some women's studies barista wannabe who cries if you don't use their extra special pronoun of the day than the violent hoodrat gangs who break into every car on the block at least once a week and will attempt to shoot you if they even think you 'disrespected' him.

It sucks they want to 'diversify' your neighborhood, but I'd rather live somewhere on a downward slope rather than somewhere that's already hit rock bottom.
 
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