How is suburban living any better than bugmanism?

[Shart Attack]

I guess if you're the kind of person who has an existential crisis at every red light, then no, there's essentially no difference between suburbs and bug hives.

Having worked in the suburbs of major city shitholes like Chicago and Minneapolis, the suburbs are just as shitty as the cities. Chicago is a 1,500 square-mile cancer that extends from Indiana to Wisconsin. Chicago doesn't end until you hit farmland. The city is shit, the suburbs are equally shit and almost exactly as you describe. The suburbs of smaller cities are much more spread out and much more livable.

 

[Mothra1988]

Biggest cope OP I've ever read here. You're just mad you're poor and live in the city with every fucking horrible thing that comes with that. The fact you think homeonwers have to be under the HOA is like foreigner-tier stupidity. You sound like someone who only knows how Americans live from sitcoms. Get a life, you whiny loser.

 

[Shidoen]

It’s really not that good, firebomb the HOA

 

[DeadwastePrime]

the suburbs are best represented by the following below:

1. gay
2. retarded
3. cringe
4. expensive
5. systemic oppression

 

[Netizennameless]

1. You aren't truly a home "owner". You still have to pay the bank for the mortgage. You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.

You absolutely own the home. You just are using it as collateral to secure the loan that paid for the home. Every mortgage payment you make is equity you're gaining. It's possible to make 10 years of payments, no longer be able to afford the home and sell it with 5 figures worth of equity to downsize with. With bughive closets, every rent payment is never seen again and the stability of your housing situation lasts only as long as your lease.

2. You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.

This is the nature of traffic and sitting alone in traffic is much better than sitting with a random assortment of the general public in traffic. Niggers chimping out, homeless people aggressively panhandling or having schizo freakouts, people loudly blasting their conversations or shitty music on speakerphone. Besides, if you keep driving past the suburbs, the traffic mostly disappears. Owning a car grants you the freedom to road trip to wherever there are contiguous roads and/or ferries. This is something public transit does not offer.

3. You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors. You remain atomized in your own little fiefdom. You don't have nature to admire or fresh air to breathe.

This is entirely self imposed. Especially in the case of property with an HOA, you literally meet with your neighbors on a regularly scheduled basis. If you don't have nature or fresh air, that's an urban environment.

4. You're expected to keep up with the Joneses, send the kids to the best schools and have them play sports with the kids who are better, have the nicest cars and TVs, gadgets, vacations, etc. The suburbs as we know them today are built on consoomerism.

This, again, is entirely self-imposed. Who cares if your neighbors have nicer things?

5. You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).

How do you know your neighbor's politics if your complaint in #3 is that you don't speak to your neighbors and you remain atomized in your fiefdom? And if #3 is true, why does having neighbors with differing views bother you so much?

Maybe I've forgotten how good I have it in the 'burbs, but right now it feels increasingly like a claustrophobic gilded gulag.

The people who live in the urban bughives and who own homes watch their property valuations skyrocket every year. Which sucks if you want to continue living in said home. Rent increases in the pods year after year, doubled or more in the last 5 years for example. Population density is a lot higher in the bughives, which means you can hear your neighbors in the bughives. You can hear when they turn on their sink and tub faucets. You can hear their music. Their arguments. Your neighbors constantly rotate, so you can guarantee good neighbors won't last. Parking most places costs money in the urban bughives. Etc.

 

[Meat Target]

The people who live in the urban bughives and who own homes watch their property valuations skyrocket every year.

Where is homeownership even affordable anymore, other than Jamal's Crack Shack or Senile Helen the Hoarder's Hovel on MLK Blvd?

Everything remotely livable has been seized by BlackRock and AirBnB.

 

[Netizennameless]

Where is homeownership even affordable anymore, other than Jamal's Crack Shack or Senile Helen the Hoarder's Hovel on MLK Blvd?

Everything remotely livable has been seized by BlackRock and AirBnB.

What general region do you live in?

Also plenty of municipalities ban airbnb rentals entirely.

 

[Meat Target]

What general region do you live in?

Also plenty of municipalities ban airbnb rentals entirely.

Midwest/Great Plains

 

[NevskyProspekt]

There is a healthy middle ground between alienating, isolating suburbanism and human anthill bugmanism that seems to always get lost in these conversations.

 

[Terrorist]

The grass is always greener on the other side. Suburbanites who complain about the suburbs often have an idealized image of rural or urban living, and would dislike it if they tried it.

You have a car, but that's not necessarily freedom of movement. Instead of being packed into public transportation with other people like sardines, you are forced to dodge other people in their cars (who all drive like complete retards) and waste your precious, ever-dwindling time on this earth waiting for stoplights to turn green.

That's called commuting. If you have a problem with commuting, live closer to where you work or work remotely.

You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals instead of hoodrats, fags, or hipsters. Suburban shitlibs are arguably worse, because they are the empty-headed do-gooders who want to make the suburbs more urban (as long as their gated communities are exempt, of course).

If the guy across the street is a naive shitlib with a bunch of stupid flags in his yard, that doesn't decrease my quality of life in that neighborhood in any material way (those types tend to be NIMBYs rather than YIMBYs). If he's a nigger who plans to rob me, it does.

 

[Matt Damon]

You're also beholden to the nosy Karens at the HOA.

You don't have a community or speak to your neighbors.

You're expected to keep up with the Joneses,

You still have liberal politics, except it's snot-nosed white liberals

You clearly live in a much, much different suburban area than I do. I don't have an HOA, my neighbors are almost all very nice people (I trust a couple of them with spare keys to my place), I don't concern myself with keeping up with anyone, and a lot of people around here make me look like a bleeding heart by comparison.

 

[Meat Target]

I guess if you're the kind of person who has an existential crisis at every red light, then no, there's essentially no difference between suburbs and bug hives.

That's called commuting. If you have a problem with commuting, live closer to where you work or work remotely

Why should someone be considered a respectable human being, if the only thing they do in life is sit around, stare into space and drool like Russell Greer?

Their existence begins and ends as humanoid traffic cones and barricades. Change my mind.

That's how I imagine every motorist on the road that is not me: with Russell Greer's gimpy retard face, and intellect to match.

 

[Matt Damon]

Their existence begins and ends as humanoid traffic cones and barricades. Change my mind.

That's how I imagine every motorist on the road that is not me: with Russell Greer's gimpy retard face, and intellect to match.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Maybe I've forgotten how good I have it in the 'burbs, but right now it feels increasingly like a claustrophobic gilded gulag.

Why should someone be considered a respectable human being, if the only thing they do in life is sit around, stare into space and drool like Russell Greer?

Their existence begins and ends as humanoid traffic cones and barricades. Change my mind.

That's how I imagine every motorist on the road that is not me: with Russell Greer's gimpy retard face, and intellect to match.

This sounds like an attitude issue, or a mismatch between what you want and what you have. If you don't want to live in a city or in suburbs, then find what you want and go do it. Yes, you may have to compromise on what the place is like, what jobs you can get, etc., but life is compromise. Either make your life bulletproof against having to be in a particular place, or stfu and make peace with what you can do.

And in the meantime, I guess I recommend some John Cheever for suburban angst. "The Swimmer" is a classic.

 

[topsykrets]

suburbs were okay until they stopped including yards.

 

[Otterly]

I live in what I guess is an outer suburb. Has small shops, pub, school. Traffic is fine. No HOA type stuff. I know my neighbours and they’re all good people - been swapping veg and seeds with two of them all summer.
Nature is all around us - small wood on one side, small mountain range a short bus ride away (you can walk it if you’ve got a few hours.)
I can get a bus into the city if I want, and I could technically manage without a car although I wouldn’t want to be without as it would close off the countryside.
Suburbs are good. I’d rather live out in the countryside but this is fine.
I have lived in the city, as a student and young person and I hated it. Sharing flats, crammed in with neighbours, who I never knew, always worried about crime, noisy as fuck. Vermin infested flats. Saw two fatal fires from people drugged up or drunk. Nope.
Homestead far out is the ideal, but suburbs can be good

 

[NevskyProspekt]

I live in what I guess is an outer suburb. Has small shops, pub, school. Traffic is fine. No HOA type stuff. I know my neighbours and they’re all good people - been swapping veg and seeds with two of them all summer.
Nature is all around us - small wood on one side, small mountain range a short bus ride away (you can walk it if you’ve got a few hours.)
I can get a bus into the city if I want, and I could technically manage without a car although I wouldn’t want to be without as it would close off the countryside.
Suburbs are good. I’d rather live out in the countryside but this is fine.
I have lived in the city, as a student and young person and I hated it. Sharing flats, crammed in with neighbours, who I never knew, always worried about crime, noisy as fuck. Vermin infested flats. Saw two fatal fires from people drugged up or drunk. Nope.
Homestead far out is the ideal, but suburbs can be good

British suburban planning always appealed to me more than mid-late 20th/early 21st century American ones. At least the shops are usually within a relatively reasonable distance and a car usually isn't strictly necessary to get around. Probably because they were built moreso on Garden City principles, compared to the American model. A few of them were built in the early 20th century in the U.S. but the post-WWII hyper-suburban experiment took off and became unbelievably ingrained in the minds of boomers.

 

[Otterly]

And waiting at red lights, even for 10 seconds, is worse than cock and ball torture to me.

This sounds like you’re under some kind of intolerable stress in the rest of your life, and is a warning sign to figure out what that is and change it before you pop something.
What’s stressing you? The burbs are the focus but what’s the root of it?

 

[Night Crawler]

1. I live in the suburbs but I don't have a HOA to deal with. You just have to be careful where you move. When my parents moved to the suburbs from Baltimore in 1999-2000 the first thing my dad asked when looking at houses is "does this have a home owners association". The real estate agent said no and my parents bought it. Just look for places without home owners associations. They aren't everywhere. HOA's are a bunch of BS. Just avoid them. Most of them are run by whacked out Boomers and older Gen X. Keep in mind that some of the youngest Boomers are still in their late 50's and early 60's so they will be around for a while.

But you are right on your first point. You aren't really a home "owner". You don't own your home till you pay off the bank that holds your mortgage. That takes about 20+ years. You are basically a glorified renter. But renters have more protection in many cases than so called "home owners". Even if you manage to pay off your mortgage and get the deed in your hand you then have to pay the government (lord) for living on their land in the name of property taxes. This is a bunch of BS as well that is completely unavoidable. Where ever you go there will property taxes. The only thing that varies is how much you pay. From what I understand it's usually about $1,000 a year or more. My father pays $2,300 a year in property taxes. It's supposed to go up. The property tax is based on whatever your states government says your house is worth. All the Boomers and Boomer tier types out in the burbs think this is great. That their property value keeps going up but the house is the same size is it was 20+ years ago and the property it sits on is the same size as well.

Nothing has changed. This means your property taxes will go up as well to keep up with the value of your home. There's something you have to keep in mind about living in the suburbs. The value of your house and property isn't based on anything other than how nigger free quiet and safe your neighborhood is. The quality of the schools don't matter. Nothing matters but the lack of niggers and the crime that goes along with the niggers. If you don't have any niggers and you are outside of a city you are going to be paying a lot. But people that live in the cities pay a lot. Of course the nicer areas of the cities have expensive rent. But people that live in cities have to put up with niggers. It's mostly just yuppies and hipsters that choose to live in cities these days. Most of the cities in America are populated with niggers. Baltimore is 65% black. 30% or so of the city is white. There are still some poor white people that are stuck living in the cities. Also white people with issues and shit like that. People that are just stuck there for whatever reason. But most of the white people have left the cities and did so back in the 70's 80's and 90's. White flight started in the mid to late 70's and kept going for decades. My parents were just part of the last waves of white flight. Like white flight stragglers.

You will never get to live in your home without having to give someone money to live there. Either a bank that holds the mortgage or your states government. That is if you live long enough to pay off the house and you managed to hold onto your job for the 20+ years it takes to pay off the mortgage (rent) and good luck doing this because job security is no longer a thing in the US. The first thing you have to do is find a job that pays enough that you can afford to pay a mortgage. Good luck with that. 50% of Americans can't even afford a one bedroom apartment much less a whole house. I remember back when you could get a whole house in rough neighborhood for a little less than $1,000 a month. Now they want $900+ to live in a small one bedroom apartment. It's a one bedroom apartment. It should be few hundred dollars a month and even then that would be pushing it.

You are also responsible for the maintenance of your house and property as a "homeowner". If something goes wrong you have to pay for it. If you are a renter it's the landlords responsibility. If they raise your rent because you had them maintain their property you can always move. You can't do that when you "own" the house. If your neighbors are obnoxious assholes you can leave and go look for another place. As a homeowner you can't really do that. You can put your house back up for sale and move. But if you managed to pay it off you run the risk of starting the whole mortgage/glorified rent thing all over again.

2. If you live in the burbs you are going to need to a car. You will need to be able to drive. You have to get your license. You need to be able to get a car some way. The suburbs are car country. It's a pretty Boomer tier thing. There isn't much mass transportation in the suburbs. There is a bus stop where I live and it's a few miles up the road if you don't mind walking that way. It's going to be a long ass walk. Either you are going to sweat your ass off in the summer or freeze in the winter. I have no idea where it goes because I have never looked into it. I guess if you got the money you could use Uber Lyft or catch a cab. If you know someone with a car you could bum a ride.

But everyone wants about $20 for gas just to ride your up the road for like a mile now. The suburbs aren't known for it's abundance of free/cheap efficient mass transportation. Also it's not really walkable. I have had to walk places where I live and it can be quite dangerous. People drive like morons and there's no sidewalks around for a lot of places. Not that side walks are some kind of magical barrier that provides safety. I have seen plenty of cars drive onto the sidewalk. There is a stretch of road I had to walk up a few times and there is no side walk for like a quarter of a mile. You have to walk on the shoulder of this two lane road with no street lights and it's super dark. It's also straight so people like to speed going up and down it.

To make matters even worse they have made it really difficult to get a license and it's been that way for as long as I can remember. In my state driving school is about $300-$400 and you have to go to driving school as a requirement. It's gotten so bad that more women have their license than men now and people are getting their drivers license later in life. It used to be that people would get their learners permit at like 15 maybe 16 and by 17 they would be driving. When I was younger I knew people in their mid to late 20's that didn't have a license much less a car. It's like once you are in the suburbs good luck getting out or going anywhere. If you can't drive and or you don't have a car you are screwed.

If you live in the suburbs you need to be able to drive you need to get your license and you need a car. It's car country. If you don't you are going to sink not swim.

3. I have noticed this as well. People don't talk to each other. I often feel like I don't belong here. Now I'm not an aggressively friendly person. I generally don't bother people. But no one ever speaks to each other. I'm not expecting to see people be all friendly like they are family. But you don't even get a passing hello from people. It's really strange and this is coming from a person who isn't that talkative and is pretty standoffish and quiet. Even I find this really weird. Am I helping the situation? Probably not with my own behavior. But everyone just stays to themselves. The last time I had someone speak to me it was because I was using one of those electric mowers to cut the grass and they were curious about it. That was years ago.

You also have the whacked out Boomers with private property and no trespassing signs. The beware of dog signs and shit like that all over their fence. Like someone bothered to put up a private property no trespassing sign for their tiny little patch of grass in their front yard. I don't get it myself but whatever.

Most of the people either don't talk to you or even seem to know you exist or they are obnoxious rude assholes.

4. I haven't really experienced this. I guess it depends on where you live. Maybe in a more affluent suburb like upper middle class. The area I live in and where my father lives has kind of changed quite a bit. You are starting to see a lot more communal living style arrangements in the suburbs now. Two of the houses where I live sat abandoned for a while. There was like 6 or 7 people living in this one family home meant for two adults and two children. Then one day the sheriff shows up and puts an eviction notice on the door. What happened was the people that owned the house were renting it out and they stopped paying the mortgage. So the people that were renting it from the owners got evicted. The bank took the house back and put the renters out. They put the house up for sale and a bunch of people from Florida moved in. Not all at once. It was the Boomer parents and then their kids moved in with their kids. So it went back to communal living.

The one thing I have noticed is that there is definitely a kind of a class based system in the suburbs. Like all the Boomer tier types that still have good jobs and make decent money kind of look down their noses as people less fortunate than them. These are usually the types of assholes you see that drive around in those big ass pick up trucks that are "lifted" and also bitch and complain about the price of gas. Like no shit, you drive a gas guzzling big ass pick up truck that gets like 1 mile to the gallon. Of course you are spending a lot of money on gas. Go get a small car you douche. Find a cheaper way to compensate for your average size dick. Some guy works as a plumber and makes like a dollar or two more than you do an hour and he thinks he's better.

It's not just those people either. Like the college educated shitbags do it as well. it's just really weird. You also see a lot of cringey fucks out in the suburbs. Like people that have cringey bumper stickers with leftist political messaging. Shit like I love my four legged grandchildren proud cat/dog mom and I love my fur babies. Just like total concentrated cringe. They are pets not stand ins for children. One time I kind of felt sorry for a few seconds for the old couple driving down the road in the SUV with the "I love my four legged grandchildren" bumber sticker. But then I remembered they are Boomers and they fucked up the world so their kids can't afford to have kids so I stopped feeling sorry. lol

5. There are definitely liberal shitbags in the suburbs. A few weeks back I saw some old bitch drive by in a car with a Joe Biden 2020 bumper sticker. I just laughed to myself and said enjoy paying almost $4 a gallon for gas you old stupid whore. LOL

Like I said you can see shit like those coexist bumper stickers and shit like that. I saw this one douchebag with a Puck Futin (actual words) bumper sticker and another one that had some kind of Trump TDS shit on it. I couldn't read it all because leftist can't meme and they think making memes with multiple paragraphs is a good idea. It was several fucking sentences they crammed onto this fucking sticker. Like good job assholes you clearly don't understand the point of a bumper sticker/meme. It's supposed to be funny witty and relay a message quickly because the average person has the attention span of a goldfish.


It really just depends on where you want to live. If you don't have a license for whatever reason can't drive for whatever reason or don't own a car living in a city might be better. If you want convenience and access to public transportation you aren't going to get that in the suburbs. These days things are a little different. Like you have services that will deliver groceries to your door. Some grocery stores offer delivery or at least curbside pickup. You can shop online and have anything delivered to your house. Like Chick-Fil-A even has their own delivery service now. I remember when that wasn't a thing. But living in the suburbs with a car or the ability to drive still isn't easy.

If you don't mind living with niggers or close to niggers and dealing with all the nigger bullshit then living a city is fine I guess. Though more people are fleeing cities now than before. In the 90's and early to mid 2000's you had people moving back to cities mostly the kids of Boomers and a lot of them at time were Gen X types. They were moving back to the cities because of shows like Friends Seinfeld Caroline in the City and mad About You. Then after that you had all the Millennial hipsters moving into cities.

Suburbs are generally mostly white quiet and pretty safe for the most part. Like you could probably feel safe walking around at night and you won't hear many gunshots. At the most you will hear some fireworks. I have been to places where you see nothing but cornfields for miles and you would have to drive a long way to find another house or store. It's generally like the suburbs just even more quiet and pretty boring. If the cities were like they used to be in the past I would probably live in one. It wouldn't bother me. With the way they are now I wouldn't want to put up with the niggers. What usually draws people to cities is that's where all the work is usually. Especially jobs that require a college degree or at least more than a high school diploma. But most people just commute into the cities. Some of them live there. It either live in the city or spent extra time driving into one for a job.

The days of living in the city and paying like $60 a month to some heeb slumlord are over. Even the rent in cities is ridiculous. Then you have to put up with niggers.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

I live in a community within a suburb with a tough HOA and it’s great. The mortgage is a bitch but it keeps niggers away, which is what I value the most for my wife and children.

I’ve lived in all settings and the cities are the worst: loud, expensive, smells terrible, random niggers wandering around doing suspicious things with a cowed police that would rather be meter maids or bust you going two miles over the speed limit. Rural living is pretty shit too, especially in winter when it takes the county days to plow the road you’re on. Gravel roads are hell on your car and having to drive 20-30 minutes to do basic things is tedious. Suburbs strike the right balance as of now. I understand due to demographic changes, I realize that I’m going to have to move a couple of times to avoid vibrancy but the alternatives are worse.