How many nationalists/neo-Nazis/fascists do we have on here?

[Autocrat]

Uh, the Inca and Maya were literally in the Stone age and lacked wheels, ships, and most machines. The Sahelian Empires and Ethiopia were essentially on the same technological level as Europe through the middle ages.

Citation needed.
In what way were they essentially on the same level as Europe?

 

[mindlessobserver]

It's not easy arguing politics on the internet. I should tell you one day about my struggle down at the local beer hall.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Or you can just do that from the start and skip the whole process of getting ripped off.

There is distinct value in living or working in a high trust environments.

The point is that you don't get ripped off. You can legit put up a stand in front of your house, put in your old books, put up a sign with the cost per item, and come home to people both honoring the system and not breaking the easily broken container with money.

It is just a single example, but there is also the lower amount of stress and such.

How about just judging people as individuals instead of on their melanin level?

Why do you continue to insist that the only group differences are those that are easiest observable?

 

[Slap47]

Uh, the Inca and Maya were literally in the Stone age and lacked wheels, ships, and most machines. The Sahelian Empires and Ethiopia were essentially on the same technological level as Europe through the middle ages.

The ancient Egyptians building pyramids four thousand years before Cortez reached Tenochtitlan to find savages ritually murdering each other. Stonehenge is probably as well aligned to stars as anything the Mayans built before they collapsed into barbarism. There wasn't anything as advanced as the states of subsaharan Africa in the Americas.

The Inca lived in the mountains where wheels would be of little value. Alpaca can't carry shit.
The Aztec had no pack animals to carry stuff with. The Natives in Canada used dogs to pull their shit around.

Pretty much every native group had canoes (30+ feet long) that allowed them to travel any river and even cross the seas. Natives canoed all the way to Cuba from Central America, etc.

The Egyptians had control over the Nile River, a river that had predictable flooding. This allowed them to grow infinite food. They had no enemies for millenia and stopped building giant Pyramids when they encountered some.

The Romans, Carthaginians and Germanics practiced human sacrifice.

Citation needed.
In what way were they essentially on the same level as Europe?

"Exceptional" blacksmithing *Matchlock rifles and swords, central government and lots of Muslim killing.

There is legit no grounds to think wacism is wrong absent of theology. Hence non-Whites doing it (do you see the Japanese accepting Koreans as their family).

The Japanese Emperor says his family originated from a Korean line and there is several million Koreans in Japan.

What? Why would Ben Shapiro lie to me about something like that...

Ben Shapiro has a reputation for being a liar.

I'm a Jacksonian Democrat. The only thing I have in common with nazis is racism.

15th Century Africa did host several civilizations on essentially the same technological and organizational level as 15th Century Europe. That's why 1492 started the conquest of the Americas, but the scramble for Africa had to wait for the late 1800s.

European strength was disease and their ability to form alliances with the locals. They played groups off of eachother to gain a supreme advantage. The Inca king died of a strange disease and as per ritual his body toured the empire (oops) and a civil war ensued (ouch). The Aztec had tonnes of enemies..kinda why Cortez was able to roll up with 200,000 Tlaxcalan allies.

 

[The Estatist]

There is distinct value in living or working in a high trust environments.

The point is that you don't get ripped off. You can legit put up a stand in front of your house, put in your old books, put up a sign with the cost per item, and come home to people both honoring the system and not breaking the easily broken container with money.

You're talking to an edgy bugman. The bugman would treat it all as interchangeable slop rather than admit to differences and that there's no such thing as a great non-discriminatory society.

Just as how some Kunta Kinte's ooga booga here and ooga there isn't the same or as beautiful as Mozart's symphonies, Niggers by birth don't act like Nordics.

Why do you continue to insist that the only group differences are those that are easiest observable?

He's a liberal.

The Japanese Emperor says his family originated from a Korean line and there is several million Koreans in Japan.

The required yen have been deposited to your account. Also:

How Asians View Each Other

Asia is a sprawling continent with a long, contentious history. The region is dotted with territorial disputes, many deeply rooted in the past. As these frictions have waxed and waned, public sentiment has ebbed and flowed.

www.pewresearch.org

Why can’t Japan and South Korea get past their battle scars?

As economic ties between Seoul and Tokyo fade, bad blood dating back more than a century has started to resurface.

www.scmp.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/japan-south-korea-ties-worst-in-five-decades-as-us-leaves-alliance-untended/2019/02/08/f17230be-2ad8-11e9-906e-9d55b6451eb4_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.087fa00c02b0

Japan's resident Koreans endure a climate of hate | The Japan Times

Later this month, the Diet's Upper House will pass a bill submitted by the ruling coalition addressing the problem of hate speech, specifically directed at

www.japantimes.co.jp

European strength was disease and their ability to form alliances with the locals. They played groups off of eachother to gain a supreme advantage. The Inca king died of a strange disease and as per ritual his body toured the empire (oops) and a civil war ensued (ouch). The Aztec had tonnes of enemies..kinda why Cortez was able to roll up with 200,000 Tlaxcalan allies.

Tell us more on how having gunpowder had nothing to do with it. What, all those savages just followed Cortez from the Aztecs being meanies and not him showing he has the force to back up his talk?

 

[Slap47]

That pew poll doesn't really prove your point.

Tell us more on how having gunpowder had nothing to do with it. What, all those savages just followed Cortez from the Aztecs being meanies and not him showing he has the force to back up his talk?

It was the cavalry that was the most decisive tool of the Spanish.

Battle of Otumba - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Cavalry was extremely important. The Chinese marched armies across deserts to acquire better horses so that they could stand a better chance against the Huns.

War of the Heavenly Horses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[The Estatist]

>tries to jump to muh cavalry
>pretending that shows that Spanish weren't from the higher civilization

Injuns repeatedly lost wars even when they ambused and swarmed like the savages they were. They lost so hard that the leftovers worship Whitey's god and eat his gibsmedats. That doesn't happen unless your kind are effectively animals.

 

[Classist.]

The Romans [...] practiced human sacrifice.

Autistic rant time: I take issue with this specifically. Roman human sacrifice was made illegal in 97 BC and even by then it was just a formality with the practice being extremely rare and confined to wartime. In fact, human sacrifice was seen as barbaric and degenerate by the Romans and was used as justification for both the the Gallic and Punic wars. Also, the Roman state was an institution that lasted in some form or another for approximately 2000 years, (510-1453 or 1204) and it's social/political/religious makeup changed dramatically over that time, and while technically correct that statement is highly misleading.

 

[ES 148]

Oh and for the record, nothing is "Indefensible". You can justify anything you please.

If things were indefensible as you suggest, they probably wouldn't have happened to begin with, no?

I'm so glad the Holocaust is not only justified, but wouldn't have happened if Hitler wasn't right. Guess I'm a Nazi now, sorry people with a functioning brain

 

[The Estatist]

The Holocaust is nothing special.

 

[Classist.]

I'm so glad Gamergate is not only justified, but wouldn't have happened if Sargon wasn't right. Guess I'm a Liberalist now, sorry people with a functioning brain

Fixed.

 

[Anti Fanta]

Imagine falling for a regressive and reactionary ideology designed to keep you subjugated and give those with power even more power because 'the [insert flavour of the week enemy e.g. Jews, immigrants] are gonna get you unless you bend the knee to your superiors who are superior to you because, errm, reasons!'.

Fascists are the ultimate cucks prepared to give up a better future because their bulls (corporations, the ruling elite, monarchs and totalitarians) tell them they should. They spend all their time looking up intellectually dubious studies in order to prove that certain people should be in charge, literally doing the work for the ruling class RENT FREE under the guise of 'owning the libs'.

Oh and while I'm here: The Soviet Union ≠ communism, and The Democratic Party/American liberalism ≠ socialism. You'd know this if you read anything that wasn't some wild screed dredged from the archives of some conspiracy nut website.

 

[ApatheticViewer]

The thing is its genuinely hard to tell who's actually a nazi or who's just ironically saying things to piss people off. That's sorta why lefties are so scared. And when so many on the other side are so openly endorsing people like Brenton Tarrant who's to blame them?

I wish I could find it but theres a great daily stormer piece where they specifically say there goal is to spread the ideology thru edgy memes. If you look at something like Frens World that's easy to see.

 

[Lemmingwise]

He's a liberal.

You're talking to an edgy bugman.

That may be the case or not, I don't really care. I'm interested in why he says the things that he say and if he can back it up or not. If I presume people to have no fundament to what they're saying before I hear what they're saying, what's the point of even discussing at all? At that point you're like two tribes yelling taunts and insults and the occasional spear before ending the ceremonial warfare. I'm not that interested in that.

 

[UQ 770]

There is distinct value in living or working in a high trust environments.

The point is that you don't get ripped off. You can legit put up a stand in front of your house, put in your old books, put up a sign with the cost per item, and come home to people both honoring the system and not breaking the easily broken container with money.

It is just a single example, but there is also the lower amount of stress and such.

That's a nice idea hamstrung by the fact that it is completely fucking impossible. Even if you somehow excised all of the drug addicts from modern society, I'd bet you anything the town drunk would stagger up to that table and swipe the jar for an extra bottle of bourbon. Either that or your neighbor's annoying autistic brat would grab it to buy comic books. If you open yourself up to being taken advantage of, sooner or later the opportunists in your society will take notice. Even in previous eras were things were less diverse and more idyllic, it was still childishly easy for a sleazy salesman in a cheap suit to roll up and grift grandma out of her pension check for the week.

People are more cynical now because we've realized the crooks in our society can look just like us, and you need to actually pay attention to their behavior and take precautions. A high-trust society is just not feasible or sustainable. These days a lot of the grifters do use racial politics to garner sympathy and sleaze their way into power as well. You can't trust anyone who seems sure of themselves. They probably have the delusional ego to back it up.

 

[Sped Xing]

Citation needed.
In what way were they essentially on the same level as Europe?

Giant cities, complex law codes, extensive trade expeditions, steelworking, and standing armies.

Certainly there were still many very primitive parts of Africa, but in rhe fifteenth Century the only real advantage the Europeans had was better art, and then only if you're going to give all Europe credit for the Italians.

I don't know why it hurts you feelings so much to find out all Africa wasn't significantly less technologically advanced than Europe at some point in History. Like I said, Europe pulled far ahead in the intervening centuries, although most of the parts of Africa which had been at about parity to Europe were the last to be colonized.

Sixteenth Century Portugal had a military advantage in cannon which helped them to take over most of the cities of the Swahili coast, although they would themselves be ousted by the Omani until the British and Germans showed up in the late 19th Century.

To the other guy, the technology of the wheel is good for more than just carts, not that carts are indeed worthless in Peru. Wheelbarrows, potter's wheels, and water / windmills are all extremely useful inventions that require the wheel. Lacking that technology was a severe handicap.

Mind you, I'm not saying they were inferior people because they didn't have these things. I'm saying they were technologically backwards.

I don't think human sacrifice necessarily has anything to do with technological advancement, but then again, all the other instances of human sacrifice you mentioned were thousands of years in the past by Century XV. And mentioning thr Romans is quite disingenuous. They killed less than ten foreigners to appease their gods when it looked like Hannibal was about to take and destroy the city. This is hardly the same as the Aztec confederation capturing thousands of people and cutting their hearts out on top a pyramid as a matter of course. But I digress.

 

[UQ 770]

Giant cities, complex law codes, extensive trade expeditions, steelworking, and standing armies.

Certainly there were still many very primitive parts of Africa, but in rhe fifteenth Century the only real advantage the Europeans had was better art, and then only if you're going to give all Europe credit for the Italians.

I don't know why it hurts you feelings so much to find out all Africa wasn't significantly less technologically advanced than Europe at some point in History. Like I said, Europe pulled far ahead in the intervening centuries, although most of the parts of Africa which had been at about parity to Europe were the last to be colonized.

Sixteenth Century Portugal had a military advantage in cannon which helped them to take over most of the cities of the Swahili coast, although they would themselves be ousted by the Omani until the British and Germans showed up in the late 19th Century.

To the other guy, the technology of the wheel is good for more than just carts, not that carts are indeed worthless in Peru. Wheelbarrows, potter's wheels, and water / windmills are all extremely useful inventions that require the wheel. Lacking that technology was a severe handicap.

Mind you, I'm not saying they were inferior people because they didn't have these things. I'm saying they were technologically backwards.

I don't think human sacrifice necessarily has anything to do with technological advancement, but then again, all the other instances of human sacrifice you mentioned were thousands of years in the past by Century XV. And mentioning thr Romans is quite disingenuous. They killed less than ten foreigners to appease their gods when it looked like Hannibal was about to take and destroy the city. This is hardly the same as the Aztec confederation capturing thousands of people and cutting their hearts out on top a pyramid as a matter of course. But I digress.

An addendum to this should be that Africa is a tremendous and extremely environmentally variable continent. The cities were mostly forced to exist at the edges in the less extreme conditions and more or less shared a lot of common history with Europe and the Middle East in the places where they were accessible. Europe in particular loved trading with Africa because it was an excellent source of fineries such as ivory and especially gold in some locations. Anywhere you get trade, you generally get the natrual spread of technology as observant types take note of what equipment to foreigners are using and work to imitate it if it seems effective. The history of Africa being entagled with Europe and the Middle East dates very far back into the histories of the Roman Empire, Carthage and Macedonia.

I suppose a clever race realist could point out that North Africa is white enough to be passing, to the point where people are occasionally born with blond hair and blue eyes, but I don't think that stands for much on its own.

Something interesting that race realists seem to never bring up is how disease totally obliterated the native populations of North and South America. Therein lies actual, verifiable genetic supremacy if not racial supremacy. It just comes from the fact that European society was fucking filthy and African society existed on a continent that to this day still produces the nastiest fucking diseases we've ever encountered. I guess nobody likes to think about the idea that their race rose to dominance just because they sneezed a few too many times.

 

[Sped Xing]

The Native Americans were largely (excepting the Inuit) descended from a very small foinder population that crossed over from Asia in the Paleolithic.

Most diseases that affected 15th Century old world peoples hadn't even arisen when the Amerind population was isolated, and what did exist, such as malaria, didn't exactly thrive in Arctic areas.

The Western Hemisphere was largely free of disease for ten thousand years. Nice while it lasts.

 

[left arm]

I like to think the bulk of this site's users are centrists who tend to agree with one side a bit more, but don't get too intense with politics either way, which obviously equates to Nazism.

 

[Autocrat]

I don't know why it hurts you feelings so much to find out all Africa wasn't significantly less technologically advanced than Europe at some point in History.

Because they weren't! We're speaking particularly of sub saharn Africa.
Compare their architecture, math, machines of war. Europe had guns and cannons. Massive ships.

I don't get why that's hard for you to accept.