Culture How To Believe False Things - Until I was 38 I thought Men's World Cup team vs Women's World Cup team would be a fair match and couldn't figure out why they didn't just play each other

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[you can skip this section if you don’t need context and just want to know how I could believe such a crazy thing]

In my chat community: “Open Play” dropped, a book that says there’s no physical difference between men and women so there shouldn’t be separate sports leagues. Boston Globe says their argument is compelling. Discourse happens, which is mostly a bunch of people saying “lololololol great trolling, what idiot believes such obvious nonsense?”

I urge my friends to be compassionate to those sharing this. Because “until I was 38 I thought Men's World Cup team vs Women's World Cup team would be a fair match and couldn't figure out why they didn't just play each other to resolve the big pay dispute.” This is the one-line summary of a recent personal world-shattering I describe in a lot more detail here (link).

I’ve had multiple people express disbelief that this is possible. Here is how it is possible.

Who Are You Going To Believe? Everything Everyone Says Plus Everything You See, or Some Science-Illiterate Jerks?

As I talk about frequently on this blog1, autistic people have a natural tendency to believe that when other people say things they are trying to truthfully communicate what they actually believe. Because otherwise what’s the point?? Several friends say “Yes ok, but you have eyes, right? You can see things yourself?”

Can I? What is it I saw, when I looked around?

I grew up in a suburb of a small Blue city in the 90s. I did not see men fighting women. My time was spent in school where teachers interact via words and chalkboards. My peers were children and their strength was proportional to what grade they were in, not their sex. My siblings were younger than me, so weaker. My babysitter was older than me, so she was stronger. All adults were functionally infinitely strong.

At recess I read books. I opted out of gym as much as possible, it was humiliating and vulgar. The only post-puberty phys ed class I was forced to take was sex segregated so I wouldn't have had any opportunity to see differences. In earlier gym classes I didn’t look around much. Why would I? Are people comparing themselves to see how many jumping jacks they can do? I just wanted it to be done with.

I didn’t watch sports, but even when I was exposed to them they were already sex-segregated, so how could I have observed that women are having a hard time against men? Mostly I just noticed that women were excluded from sports altogether. I was told this was due to sexism, which lined up with everything I had been told about the world, so obviously it was true.

But the Olympics!! What about the Olympics?

Men don’t compete against women, so a casual watching of a nearby TV during a conversation doesn’t give any observations. To notice a difference I would have to look for the reported numbers somewhere on the screen, write them down, and compare them across the events. Again, this is not a level of interest I held/hold for sports.

OK, but what about all of media everywhere?

I grew up in the 90s. My media diet consisted of awesome stuff like Aliens, Terminator 2, Buffy, Xena, Dark Angel, the various Star Treks, The Matrix, Farscape etc. The rule for who kicked ass was "the one that's the main character." If an action movie or series had a woman in it, she kicked ass.

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My books were science fiction and fantasy and Marvel. What determined the winner of a fight wasn’t muscles, it was cybernetics and laser guns, or dark rituals and spell books and magic swords, or getting the best mutation.

The very earliest RPG I played did have a tiny points-neutral modifier for sex, but by the time I bought my second computer game even that was gone. Stats were allocated by the player, and could be modified by race (elf/dwarf/orc, human/ghoul/supermutant) but never by sex. Sex was purely an aesthetic choice. Why would whether you have a dick or not affect how hard you can swing a sword?

The one difference everyone did admit to was men have a modest advantage in upper-body strength, so they’ll do more pushups and pull-ups than women can.

So yes, everywhere I looked, men and women were basically identical. It’s actually very easy to not get any evidence of male physical advantage if you don’t spend much time interacting with the physical world and all your second-hand sources are politely not drawing attention to the embarrassingly unequal parts of reality. And every disparity that does exist is easily attributed to the deep sexism of society which is as well established as the heliocentric model of the solar system.

I hold that — given my experience — I was more justified in my belief than anyone who claims that men playing against women for the World Cup would be unfair. All it takes is trusting that people believe what they say over and over for decades across all of society, and getting all your evidence about reality filtered through those same people. Which is actually not very hard.


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Here and here and here for starters
 
IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ANDREW TATE AND NICK FUENTES SAYS AND IF ITS NOT INHERENTLY OBVIOUS TO YOU, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE PART OF SOCIETY -GRUB
I have never watched a single one of either of their videos. I barely know who Nick Fuentes is other than that he has thread here.
 
He has never, ever, done any kind of event, pastime, sport, or hike or something in a mixed group?
the physicals differences between men and women don't really show themselves until puberty and there are enough tomboys and sissys that could be beaten by girls that it wouldn't be too insane to believe men and woman are equal up until age 10, and after that people don't really run around for fun. especially nerds. you really think null was doing hikes all the time?
Credit to this guy for not only figuring out a long-held belief was wrong, but shouting it from the rooftops. We'd be in a better spot if people got respect for this instead of derision.
considering how many people here are mocking him, there's a reason people don't do that.
I have never watched a single one of either of their videos. I barely know who Nick Fuentes is other than that he has thread here.
of course you don't watch them, you already believe everything they say, its a waste of time for ya
 
of course you don't watch them, you already believe everything they say, its a waste of time for ya
I'm sorry you seem personally offended by my comment. I feel bad for you that you see yourself in a sped who was incapable of observing the world around them. I truly and honestly have no interest in online podcast retards or most political bullshit period. My opinions come solely from reading that troubling account of an individual who lacks basic social reasoning and extrapolating the kind of retarded decisions a person like that would make on a daily basis in any kind of position of authority. It seems appalling that the decisions and opinions of a person like that would be taken seriously based solely on the article in the op.
 
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My mother hasn't had much trouble with jars. Since I became an invalid in early adulthood, jars usually give me the same trouble as they do her. They come in 2 types, easy that a 5 year old can open them, or stuck so hard you'll need Hulk Hogan or a tool. The ratio is 9 easy to 1 hard stuck.
I am convinced this is largely due to the slipperiness of the jar. I have access to a rubber grippy thing that you can put on the lid before trying to open and it makes everything much easier. I tend to try for a while without it out of pride, but it almost always works when I put that rubber on it.
 
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I am convinced this is largely due to the slipperiness of the jar. I have access to a rubber grippy thing that you can put on the lid before trying to open and it makes everything much easier. I tend to try for a while without it out of pride, but it almost always works when I put that rubber on it.
Putting rubber gloves on often works for this reason.
 
until I was 38 I thought Men's World Cup team vs Women's World Cup team would be a fair match and couldn't figure out why they didn't just play each other
I don’t know how even an autist wouldn’t understand this.
The autist is making explicit what is implicitly true for the majority of people. They are essentially walking, breathing antennae responding to signals from pre-approved signal sources. Turbo-autists, despite their gullibility, are nevertheless very Truth-obsessed and therefore more likely to break out of bad signal-response loops because they check for consistency.
Once you break out of that “signal” it’s very hard to interact with most people. Like you completely lose interest in whatever they have to say because you already know it’ll be the same tired discussion. That they are distracted with whatever bullshit you find meaningless. Although somewhat fucked up, a lot of people stop feeling real.
 
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We are reorganizing our entire military around the lie that women can do anything men can do, so no, the truth is not supposed to be obvious to everyone. Or if it is, it's a "point deer, see horse" sort of lie. Since he's autistic, he didn't realize everyone knew it was just a word-game we play, to the point we're sabotaging the Army Rangers just for social signaling purposes, because that sort of thing is incomprehensible to autists.

“Hey, we know this isn’t actually true, we’re just acting this way because it leads to better outcomes for society, on net, if we do. Obviously we make exceptions for the places where the literal truth is important. Welcome to the secret club, don’t tell the kids.”

Liberalism in a nutshell. It's all pretty lies, all the way down to the bottom.
 
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