How to save the western world

[L50LasPak]

It's not possible to overdose on mary jane

I beg to differ, I've seen a lot of stoners troon out. Seems to me there's a correlation.

I admit no such thing of course

I would think your contempt for these people admits that you'd at least rather they not be a part of the society you'd prefer to live in. Most people feel this way, I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting that.

I dont recognize any correlation between reality and your opinions when I venture out into this dead nigger world

The feeling is very strongly mutual.

 

[draggs]

I beg to differ, I've seen a lot of stoners troon out. Seems to me there's a correlation.

Cutting off your dick isnt overdosing

I would think your contempt for these people admits that you'd at least rather they not be a part of the society you'd prefer to live in. Most people feel this way, I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting that.

I dont have preconditions for living in muh society

Except commies they can get the fuck out

Indulging in such contempt and projecting it onto others as a defense mechanism is a luxury only members of a not dead nigger society can afford

The feeling is very strongly mutual.

Im right and youre wrong doe

 

[L50LasPak]

I dont have preconditions for living in muh society

A society with no preconditions is inherently doomed, I'd go as far to argue it doesn't even really fit the conventional definition of a society at all. And besides this is nonsense anyway, everyone has at least some set of standards. You don't strike me as one of those defund the police types.

Indulging in such contempt and projecting it onto others as a defense mechanism is a luxury only members of a not dead nigger society can afford

When a third of the population is NEETs dependent on the State for bread like the people who ramble on about the imminent, inevitable collapse of our dead nigger society are, then we can talk

I don't even really understand how you can claim there's no contempt there. You will have to elaborate on this.

 

[draggs]

A society with no preconditions is inherently doomed, I'd go as far to argue it doesn't even really fit the conventional definition of a society at all. And besides this is nonsense anyway, everyone has at least some set of standards. You don't strike me as one of those defund the police types.



I don't even really understand how you can claim there's no contempt there. You will have to elaborate on this.

I gave my precondition for draggstopia

No Reds

You misapprehend amusement for contempt

 

[L50LasPak]

You misapprehend amusement for contempt

So then, you, as a productive person in society, bear no ill will whatsoever towards those who are not, yet receive comfortable enough lives despite contributing nothing?

 

[the fall of man]

This is pretty much identical to the common drug addict asserting that, since they have yet to overdose, there is no danger in their habit.


The presence of these people at all, and the system's inability to remove them, is an indicator that its health is failing. Even many so-called productive people work jobs that are useless and produce nothing of value. Large swathes of society are simply not beneficial in any way, even you yourself admit this. There's a word for that phenomena: cancer.

Perhaps the same could be said of all civilizations. Mankind ill needs a critic such as you

So then, you, as a productive person in society, bear no ill will whatsoever towards those who are not, yet receive comfortable enough lives despite contributing nothing?

I guess I could afford a lot more if I didn't subsidize the homeless but then what would I spend it on if there were no more bumfights

 

[L50LasPak]

Perhaps the same could be said of all civilizations. Mankind ill needs a critic such as you

Apparently it does, because here we are.

I guess I could afford a lot more if I didn't subsidize the homeless but then what would I spend it on if there were no more bumfights

I fully agree with having contempt for people like that, I just think its disingenuous at best to pretend it doesn't remotely bother you.

Its probably not a healthy sign either that these kinds of discussions inevitably degenerate into two or more people competing with each other to show how uncaring and nihilistic they are. In any decently run society, that sort of thing isn't supposed to be encouraged at all, let alone made into a contest. Again I say, the fact that it has appeared at all is proof positive that the whole structure has already been compromised, severely.

 

[the fall of man]

I fully agree with having contempt for people like that, I just think its disingenuous at best to pretend it doesn't remotely bother you.

Its probably not a healthy sign either that these kinds of discussions inevitably degenerate into two or more people competing with each other to show how uncaring and nihilistic they are. In any decently run society, that sort of thing isn't supposed to be encouraged at all, let alone made into a contest. Again I say, the fact that it has appeared at all is proof positive that the whole structure has already been compromised, severely.

Their lives suck though. Here's how it goes:

- I go to work and make money
- I pay taxes so the government doesn't terrorize me and entertains itself fighting foreign wars and raping foreign kids
- A pittance of that goes towards the care and feeding of future lolcows
- I pay the church a tithe to try and prevent people who aren't deadset on lolcowdom from descending into it (personal responsibility to my fellow man also matters here but it's irrelevant to the conversation, insert charity or whatever else here)
- I pay a corporation way too much for a house to live in, another one for food to eat, another for electricity, another for internet
- I go online to the Kiwi Farms
- I read about the lolcows and laugh and sometimes get into slapfights about politics or video games

Am I supposed to want something better? Am I broken if I don't

 

[mickey339]

Europe is waking up and will be fit within a few decades.
USA? Don’t know, neither care.

 

[the fall of man]

Europe is waking up and will be fit within a few decades.
USA? Don’t know, neither care.

i assure you, we'll be fine. shit may go down, but we'll then be in a completely different kind of trouble than we are in currently and it will be the worst thing ever

the only real civilizational risks we face are dangerously miscalculating our own competence and that of our geopolitical rivals, or being lax on our guard and allowing the retards to take over. on the first point, we're worse than we think, but they're WAY worse than we think; and on the second, a lot of people are gonna get burned on the current wave of "progress", but it ain't gonna be me or many of the people i know.

i wish i could say "most"

 

[L50LasPak]

Their lives suck though. Here's how it goes:

- I go to work and make money
- I pay taxes so the government doesn't terrorize me and entertains itself fighting foreign wars and raping foreign kids
- A pittance of that goes towards the care and feeding of future lolcows
- I pay the church a tithe to try and prevent people who aren't deadset on lolcowdom from descending into it (personal responsibility to my fellow man also matters here but it's irrelevant to the conversation, insert charity or whatever else here)
- I pay a corporation way too much for a house to live in, another one for food to eat, another for electricity, another for internet
- I go online to the Kiwi Farms
- I read about the lolcows and laugh and sometimes get into slapfights about politics or video games

Am I supposed to want something better? Am I broken if I don't

I think it makes sense to want something better, modern society has a great deal of flaws and while a lot of them are endemic a whole lot of them are just poor planning and open corruption. I don't believe in the gay communist robot utopia concept but there are a number of things that could be improved upon with surprisingly little effort.

I think it also makes sense to resent the government (or even other institutions) for catering to the useless, especially if you claim to value your time and your own sense of self worth. When your time and money is taken and handed to the useless, that is more or less broadcasting the message that your time and money aren't worth very much at all. You can claim its morally justified in some way to do that to people, but to the average person the message being sent to them is that they are simply not as highly valued; that they are disposable. That does things to people, even if they claim they're okay with it. Its even worse when the useless people fed and supplied by your own hard work are walking, talking, everpresent, and are allowed to actively influence both local and state politics, making them an inescapable daily reminder. They don't just get hidden away like they used to in the past, and their numbers are always increasing.

If that sort of thing just doesn't bother you, somehow, I don't know if broken is the word I would use but it would make you something of a doormat. Its the wrong kind of apathy, and you shouldn't allow anyone to walk all over you like that.

 

[draggs]

So then, you, as a productive person in society, bear no ill will whatsoever towards those who are not, yet receive comfortable enough lives despite contributing nothing?

Life is too short to turn into a bitter dwarf

That's what Marx did and like I said

NO REDS

 

[L50LasPak]

Life is too short to turn into a bitter dwarf

ok doormat

you wont mind if i wipe my feet right

 

[draggs]

ok doormat

you wont mind if i wipe my feet right

Dry drunks arent allowed in my domicile

 

[L50LasPak]

Dry drunks arent allowed in my domicile

That's okay, it just reeks like stale weed and cheap incense anyway.

 

[draggs]

That's okay, it just reeks like stale weed and cheap incense anyway.

It smells like sassafras and ergot tyvm

The MDMA and LSD dont cook themselves you know

 

[AgendaPoster]

There is no homeostasis for whole nations or even less for something as ambiguous as the "West", there are only endless waves of balkanization and empire creation/consolidation.
Nothing lasts forever. Pray we'll die before we get conquered, after us the flood.
Democracy is not an issue, diversity is an issue as it results in endless petty ethnic conflicts. Democracy can and should be illiberal and inside a mostly cohesive ethnic state, like Hungary or Poland, as it results in some stability and consensus, and if social problems are muted, a society can focus on trade and research/development, innovation, industry,

 

[the fall of man]

I think it makes sense to want something better, modern society has a great deal of flaws and while a lot of them are endemic a whole lot of them are just poor planning and open corruption. I don't believe in the gay communist robot utopia concept but there are a number of things that could be improved upon with surprisingly little effort.

I think it also makes sense to resent the government (or even other institutions) for catering to the useless, especially if you claim to value your time and your own sense of self worth. When your time and money is taken and handed to the useless, that is more or less broadcasting the message that your time and money aren't worth very much at all. You can claim its morally justified in some way to do that to people, but to the average person the message being sent to them is that they are simply not as highly valued; that they are disposable. That does things to people, even if they claim they're okay with it. Its even worse when the useless people fed and supplied by your own hard work are walking, talking, everpresent, and are allowed to actively influence both local and state politics, making them an inescapable daily reminder. They don't just get hidden away like they used to in the past, and their numbers are always increasing.

If that sort of thing just doesn't bother you, somehow, I don't know if broken is the word I would use but it would make you something of a doormat. Its the wrong kind of apathy, and you shouldn't allow anyone to walk all over you like that.

They take some of my money and use it for whatever retard stuff they do, so in that sense perhaps I'm not better off than a serf. Could things be better? Sure. I've seen lots of societal conveniences or systemic improvements in other countries I would bring back to America if I could.

Do I resent the government? Somewhat. They're corrupt retards. Every government on Earth is, to varying extents. I do not have a good solution, they are a necessary evil.

I do not get the feeling that I'm disposable and useless because my taxes go towards the care and feeding of bureaucrats and poors. Render unto Caesar, perhaps; but I honestly enjoy my work, try to do good in my community, and mostly ignore the enraged messaging and shock horror "baby given sex change in uterus then aborted because it is a clump of cells" shit we are constantly bombarded with, because the people who publish that want me to be angry, or demoralized. I am neither. I am growing food, I am learning new skills, I am making friends with my neighbors, and I am finding many people with similar values in surprising places, very close to me. Yes, 40% of my money goes to useless government programs. But they have to pass laws to do that, and I read those laws, and then I move money around in some accounts, and get most of my money back (to either tax shelter or to pay them again next year, another quarter in the slot machine).

I really don't feel beaten down. The world is a giant, intricate puzzle. A mystery with infinite depth in every direction. I feel interested, mostly - so interested I don't even mess with video games much anymore.

You seem very blackpilled, friend. I know I am perhaps very fortunate to live the life I do. I am aware of the injustices in society. I am aware that the current direction of the country will end in chaos, and some people will be angry, and some people (perhaps even me) may die.

My duty here is to do as much as I can for the people I can. I can't change society, or the government. Maybe someone else can. Maybe they will. Empires rise and fall, but the farmer is in his field; for who can feed armies?

I may be wrong. But I don't think so

 

[Lemmingwise]

That aside, however, it is abundantly clear that most people won't actually change their collectively self-destructive ways in the west until they've been forced to do so by some cataclysmic event that all at once, puts them between the binary choices of either being wiped off the face of the Earth or rejecting the current western dogma and returning to a state at which the west had at least some degree of homeostasis.

If you play chess, which is very close to be a computer solved game, then the computer can tell you the precise value of each move. As a result, one move may be worth 0.1 pawns and another 0.15 pawns. The latter is always the better move out of the two.

In that sense everything is binary.

Getting fat is another example that will reduce your lifespan and health. When you zoom in enough, these decisions do become binary.

Let's introduce some things with chances. The chance of natal circumcision giving a baby complications, is nearly nonexistant. Circumcision helps prevent phimosis. But the chance of phimosis is also nearly nonexistant (phimosis is slightly less likely).

Even though there's chances involved, much like a casino's roulette table, you always want to be on the side where the chances are, on average, in your favor. You would rather be the casino than a player at the casino.

Everything does become binary when you look at the chances and outcomes closely enough. We are already at the apex or even past it.

You can't grow a garden if it's infested with snails and rabbits. And the enemies of the type of change that you or I would want are few, but so unspeakably powerful and entrenched that most people look away in fear and denial when encountering it. Amidst such cowardice, we don't deserve change and we certainly aren't earning or achieving it.

Saving the west? What west? It is already dead and gone. Best make plans that take this into account. Nobody is coming to save you and most aren't willing to save even themselves. It's a time where people building arks are seen as madman and they'll be the only to have a chance at escaping the fallout.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I am aware that all of the below is MUCH easier said than done, but this is the short list of what I think is neccesary to fix the West.


Current financial system is a clusterfuck.
>End fractional reserve banking, end fiat currency. Return to financial system based on actual physical assets.

The current banking system is together by baling wire, kite string and spit. It is nearing total collapse. We should be be thinking how to replace it.

Modern Prussian-derived education system designed to churn out midwit drones.
>Reform education systems so that they actually educate people. Teach students "how" to think crtitically, not merely "what" to think.

Agreed, but any restorative or otherwise woke garbage should be discarded.

Rates of depression, loneliness, mental illness, etc, are skyrocketing
>This may sound weird, but I think some degree of religiousity/spirituality should be officially encouraged, both for social cohesion and for individual mental health.

The current system is causing this. It's how humans respond to an insane society.

Declining birthrates combined with growing epidemic of lonely single adults
>Complete cultural reset- discourage male/female hypergamy, fix male/female gender relations, discourage LGBT, and encourage stable relationships that lead to reproduction.

Agreed.

People have no pride in their nation's history, either out of ignorance of said history or outright hatred of said history
>In line with the cultural reset, promote western culture postively in mass media, to give people a sense of pride in their heritage.

Agreed, but the current iteration of the "media" should be dismantled. How is another discussion altogether.

High-trust communities increasingly becoming thing of the past, IQ is falling and crime is increasing
>A country is the sum of its people. So stop importing retarded 3rd worlders, and if possible, incentivize the ones already here to leave.

That would solve a good deal of it, but religion should be encouraged. It instills a moral framework in the young and its leaders reinforce it. Of course this excludes the mainline Roman Catholic Church/Protestant/Jewish faiths as they stand now. Removing their tax exempt status and government sinecures would change this.

Labor shortage combined with shortage of good jobs
>In line with ending migration/immigration, make it impossible to import foreign workers so that companies must hire Westerners, or train Westerners if there aren't enough qualified workers. This will increase wages due to laws of supply and demand.

Agreed.

Merely attempting to implement all of the above isn't going to happen without major political reform. So I unfortunately agree with the doomers that positive change will not happen until the current system collapses or is severely weakened.

Agreed. Violence would be inevitably ensue.