How to save the western world

[the fall of man]

If you play chess, which is very close to be a computer solved game, then the computer can tell you the precise value of each move. As a result, one move may be worth 0.1 pawns and another 0.15 pawns. The latter is always the better move out of the two.

In that sense everything is binary.

Getting fat is another example that will reduce your lifespan and health. When you zoom in enough, these decisions do become binary.

Let's introduce some things with chances. The chance of natal circumcision giving a baby complications, is nearly nonexistant. Circumcision helps prevent phimosis. But the chance of phimosis is also nearly nonexistant (phimosis is slightly less likely).

Even though there's chances involved, much like a casino's roulette table, you always want to be on the side where the chances are, on average, in your favor. You would rather be the casino than a player at the casino.

Everything does become binary when you look at the chances and outcomes closely enough. We are already at the apex or even past it.

You can't grow a garden if it's infested with snails and rabbits. And the enemies of the type of change that you or I would want are few, but so unspeakably powerful and entrenched that most people look away in fear and denial when encountering it. Amidst such cowardice, we don't deserve change and we certainly aren't earning or achieving it.

Saving the west? What west? It is already dead and gone. Best make plans that take this into account. Nobody is coming to save you and most aren't willing to save even themselves. It's a time where people building arks are seen as madman and they'll be the only to have a chance at escaping the fallout.

I agree with your take in general, except the part about it being binary. If you have perfect knowledge, choice ceases to exist. If there is still a random element (you can score all the moves but there's still a theoretical perfect game against you), then choices are deliberate, but ranked. And there are always complicating factors that make easy decisions into (not really) hard decisions (I don't want my baby to have phimosis but 4chan said that foreskin removal makes you jewish and I trust anonymous strangers on the internet implicitly so etc).

I guess what I'm saying is, there are cases where a decision is objectively correct, and there are situations where you'd really like to move where arks are cheaper, but your wife doesn't want to go, so you instead decide the only way out is to build an expensive and massively reinforced ark where you are and set up a contingency plan just in case

 

[Lemmingwise]

I guess what I'm saying is, there are cases where a decision is objectively correct, and there are situations where you'd really like to move where arks are cheaper, but your wife doesn't want to go, so you instead decide the only way out is to build an expensive and massively reinforced ark where you are and set up a contingency plan just in case

This is just the result of an earlier mistake, where you have a wife and you are not the leader of the relationship, but fell for the equality meme.

I get the general argument against choices being binary, because the world is complex and information is never perfect or complete. Yet, there is always enough information to make a best guess on and that is objectively the right choice.

And yes, it's still a choice. People choose the wrong choice all the time despite knowing better.

 

[Sithis]

Embrace the end. Death is only the beginning.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Things are bad, but they aren’t as bad as people are making it out to be. Of course it’s easy to doom if you only focus on what corporate journos and the federal government do or say, but it ignores the stuff right in front of you. Even though inflation is an issue, things are still getting done at local levels by people you don’t care to notice that often. Mail can arrive on time, food is still available even if it is more expensive, and you’re still able to enjoy some leisure. If you have a good network of people to help you when things get tough, gain some humility and use it. This is why community is so important and a reason why being part of any church would help give you that stability. Focus on what is in front of you and what you can change there to make society better, it’s a lot less stressful and more useful than dooming. The strength of a society is dependent on the strength of the individuals, and you can do your part by becoming a productive member of society. No need to make fan theories of what you think might happen, so long as you have a good network and prepare where you are able to, you will be fine.

 

[the fall of man]

This is just the result of an earlier mistake, where you have a wife and you are not the leader of the relationship, but fell for the equality meme.

"As Christ loves the church", goes the commandment. Sometimes that involves allowing a poor decision to bear fruit (but probably not the pointing and laughing and rubbing it in part)

 

[Lemmingwise]

Of course it’s easy to doom if you only focus on what corporate journos and the federal government do or say, but it ignores the stuff right in front of you.

If you have a good network of people to help you when things get tough, gain some humility and use it. This is why community is so important and a reason why being part of any church would help give you that stability.

I'm not concerned with the inflation or the recession. Have been seeing that coming from a mile away.

Thanks for the womanly advice of relying on other people, but the men are talking. If we get past it, it will be because of the actions of men. Women will just be passengers. Valued passengers, sure.

 

[JambledUpWords]

I'm not concerned with the inflation or the recession. Have been seeing that coming from a mile away.

Thanks for the womanly advice of relying on other people, but the men are talking. If we get past it, it will be because of the actions of men. Women will just be passengers. Valued passengers, sure.

Unless you think you can survive the wilderness alone, you need a network, and societies need social circles as a method of survival.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Unless you think you can survive the wilderness alone, you need a network, and societies need social circles as a method of survival.

To use your computer you need to turn it on.

Very important advice.

 

[gang weeder]

Things are bad, but they aren’t as bad as people are making it out to be. Of course it’s easy to doom if you only focus on what corporate journos and the federal government do or say, but it ignores the stuff right in front of you. Even though inflation is an issue, things are still getting done at local levels by people you don’t care to notice that often. Mail can arrive on time, food is still available even if it is more expensive, and you’re still able to enjoy some leisure. If you have a good network of people to help you when things get tough, gain some humility and use it. This is why community is so important and a reason why being part of any church would help give you that stability. Focus on what is in front of you and what you can change there to make society better, it’s a lot less stressful and more useful than dooming. The strength of a society is dependent on the strength of the individuals, and you can do your part by becoming a productive member of society. No need to make fan theories of what you think might happen, so long as you have a good network and prepare where you are able to, you will be fine.

This is actually a doom pill.

I don't think you understand. The bad ending is if things continue largely unchanged. The good ending requires things to get worse, so that they can get better.

 

[Wesley Willis]

There is no "west" to be saved.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Nothing can be done. It's too late. White "men" have spent half a century scapegoating and vilifying women and mothers. Now you're dying out because women hate you and are going asexual, gay or screwing non-white men.

You get what you deserve...

In Canada there was a campaign in my province as a child to crack down on those ''welfare cheating'' single mothers. This lead to an almost total reduction in financial support to them. Back then there was swaths of white single Mother's with two to three children living on government aid in government housing. The public got on the band wagon to dismantle their supports and the ''witch hunt'' started. But little did the politicians or the public know where this would lead.

To their shock the white population took a serious nose dive. Single white women no longer have children.. they abort. So who now supports the population growth and lives in that public housing if not white women and their kids? Muslim and black immigrants and refugee's.

And now the right of center politician's in Canada and their supporters howl about white genocide and rarely seeing white children anymore. I remember seeing this man raging on youtube that his child ''was the only white kid in the class'' in a Toronto school and how ''my son is picked on for being white''.

What did they expect? This was as self inflicted wound based on a stupid campaign of ''war on the poor''. Britain is in much of the same boat since Thatcher kicked the white brits out of council housing and fucked their unions and jobs. Other political parties just continued the same shit. Now it's Muzzieland over there with the most popular baby name in the U.K being ''Muhammad''.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Imagine being so mad about retarded trannies or whatever that you want your whole country to burn down.

Shutting the world down for two years, persecuting me and insulting my people in our homeland, chopping dicks off kids, subjecting me to an unlawful government, and making life a tangle of tyrannical laws while throwing away huge chunks of our money on worthless people are why I want to burn the country down.

 

[byuu]

Shutting the world down for two years, persecuting me and insulting my people in our homeland, chopping dicks off kids, subjecting me to an unlawful government, and making life a tangle of tyrannical laws while throwing away huge chunks of our money on worthless people are why I want to burn the country down.

So you're butthurt about COVID measures that are already lifted, don't like people saying mean things to you, don't like what other parents think is best for their children, can't get over your candidate losing like a bitch, and don't like taxes.

 

[thrasymachus]

Imagine being so mad about retarded trannies or whatever that you want your whole country to burn down.

I unironically think it's kind of a continuation of Soviet propaganda, but now done by Russia and some online nazis. "Your country is degenerate anon, you should welcome its demise at our hands." It's what Bezmenov said, except now it's right wingers who are the useful idiots.

 

[Tago Mago]

I unironically think it's kind of a continuation of Soviet propaganda, but now done by Russia and some online nazis. "Your country is degenerate anon, you should welcome its demise at our hands." It's what Bezmenov said, except now it's right wingers who are the useful idiots.

Sadly it's true. The "culture war" was just a psyop

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Things are bad, but they aren’t as bad as people are making it out to be. Of course it’s easy to doom if you only focus on what corporate journos and the federal government do or say, but it ignores the stuff right in front of you. Even though inflation is an issue, things are still getting done at local levels by people you don’t care to notice that often. Mail can arrive on time, food is still available even if it is more expensive, and you’re still able to enjoy some leisure. If you have a good network of people to help you when things get tough, gain some humility and use it. This is why community is so important and a reason why being part of any church would help give you that stability. Focus on what is in front of you and what you can change there to make society better, it’s a lot less stressful and more useful than dooming. The strength of a society is dependent on the strength of the individuals, and you can do your part by becoming a productive member of society. No need to make fan theories of what you think might happen, so long as you have a good network and prepare where you are able to, you will be fine.

You might want to define society and community at this point. I would not, for example, recommend people invest all their resources into a declining church or urban community that will be on fire 15 years down the road -- but you are absolutely correct about having a good social network to carry you through crises. And ideally you would want to live in a community you know will still be 'fine' 15 years down the line, in which case you absolutely should invest all your resources into it.

Edit: To answer your question @mr.moon1488, I think Sad Crusader gave you the most honest answer -- that your best bet will be growing a new tree out of the stump of the old. Realize that most of this is out of your control, but don't completely surrender to doomer/american passivity on it either. Look for where you can make little 'nudges' realistically and ensure you have a good real social network to keep yourself safe.
Also ignore all the nihilism in this thread, it is just coping.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

As Mussolini, Lenin, and the Iranian ayatollahs proved, a relatively small but active movement with parallel institutions can easily co-opt and overthrow a decaying society and enforce a seemingly radical vision. Strangle and behead the hydra that rules us. That would be the bankers and their deep-rooted institutions. This would be done through radical protest movements that react violently to their every move (like the Canadian truckers, Dutch farmers, and some of the anti-lockdown/antivaxx mandate protests) and political activism through broadly allied politicians or useful idiots (like the SRs were for the Bolsheviks) who shift the Overton Window back to sanity. The latter already exists in the form of the MAGA movement, Tucker Carlson, etc. Interact with institutions like banking, education system, and anything government/megacorp owned and operated as little as possible. Do not pay for media you enjoy (pirate everything) and never subscribe to a streaming service, but do pay for media you enjoy made by likeminded people.

What YOU can do personally? Prepare yourself for the shitshow that happens when the order is overthrown by a clique of radicals. Own lots of gold and silver, own guns and your own land, connect with likeminded people in your area (even if they're much less understanding of the situation than you), educate and improve yourself in fitness, diet, firearms, survival skills, etc. At this point, overthrowing the current order is tantamount to starting both World War III and the Second American Civil War. You possibly will not survive.

-this hideous anti human thing of a trans humanist movement has taken root.

That's one of the greatest problems, but space colonization will actually only damn us further in that regards. An O'Neill cylinder would realistically be nothing but a giant bugman pod in space since they're so expensive even for a spacefaring civilization you wouldn't keep it at a low population density (like, say, a small city surrounded by a rural landscape totalling 200K people, that would be comfy but they don't want that). Worse, space colonization would let degenerate societies leave to remote reaches of the solar system where they could do something retarded like turn themselves into the Borg. People either shouldn't be allowed to live in space or should be only allowed to live within a few million miles of earth where they can be watched. Although yes, we do need to mine the resources in space.

 

[Speakeasy Electric]

I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

 

[Lemmingwise]

In Canada there was a campaign in my province as a child to crack down on those ''welfare cheating'' single mothers. This lead to an almost total reduction in financial support to them. Back then there was swaths of white single Mother's with two to three children living on government aid in government housing. The public got on the band wagon to dismantle their supports and the ''witch hunt'' started. But little did the politicians or the public know where this would lead.

To their shock the white population took a serious nose dive. Single white women no longer have children.. they abort. So who now supports the population growth and lives in that public housing if not white women and their kids? Muslim and black immigrants and refugee's.

And now the right of center politician's in Canada and their supporters howl about white genocide and rarely seeing white children anymore. I remember seeing this man raging on youtube that his child ''was the only white kid in the class'' in a Toronto school and how ''my son is picked on for being white''.

What did they expect? This was as self inflicted wound based on a stupid campaign of ''war on the poor''. Britain is in much of the same boat since Thatcher kicked the white brits out of council housing and fucked their unions and jobs. Other political parties just continued the same shit. Now it's Muzzieland over there with the most popular baby name in the U.K being ''Muhammad''.


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Yes, with mass immigration many policies that would have had net positive outcomes (reduction of single motherhood) become net negatives (population replacement by other cultures/races).

You can't create balance in your garden if it constantly has invasive species that you're not allowed to control.

 

[Male Idiot]

Trying to save the west is like trying to come up with a way the 3rd Reich can still win WW2.

That ship has already sailed, nothing to be done. The cancer is terminal. All empires die eventually.