How to save the western world

That's one of the greatest problems, but space colonization will actually only damn us further in that regards. An O'Neill cylinder would realistically be nothing but a giant bugman pod in space since they're so expensive even for a spacefaring civilization you wouldn't keep it at a low population density (like, say, a small city surrounded by a rural landscape totalling 200K people, that would be comfy but they don't want that). Worse, space colonization would let degenerate societies leave to remote reaches of the solar system where they could do something retarded like turn themselves into the Borg. People either shouldn't be allowed to live in space or should be only allowed to live within a few million miles of earth where they can be watched. Although yes, we do need to mine the resources in space.
I agree mostly with the rest of your points but you kind of lost me at this part. Space logistics by themselves aside to even make colonization viable, if it ever does get off the ground humans will naturally splinter over time - I'd even argue schisming and splintering and breaking off into your own empire that eventually splinters and repeats the cycle is a fundamental common trait in humans.

Trying to enforce some permanent unity of humanity birthed from the fever dreams of 1970s to 1990s Sci-Fi American Universalist propaganda on what the future would look like is... beyond autistic. If civilizations ever do become viable in space I would wish them the best and be content knowing that humans live on more places than just earth.
 
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Trying to save the west is like trying to come up with a way the 3rd Reich can still win WW2.
Beautifully said. Besides, "saving" something means it failed in the first place. Why would you hold on to something that doesnt work? That would be a negative attitude! The positive attitude would be to create something new! Lets see what that would be...
 
It's a slow and personal change, everyone can do their jobs while trying to become more sensitive.
The military is useful, and can be strong and sensitive at the same time.
 
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I think for many people who say they would like to "save the West", the West is something different than what it has been since say the Treaty of Westphalia of 1648. For me the West mainly represents liberalism, the scientific method, democracy and human rights. Indeed the "globohomo" many who think the West needs saving oppose.

However there is also the ethnos. I have grown up here in my home country in Europe seeing it get inundated by foreigners with skin colours different from mine. Is that something we need to save the West from? I am not quite sure. It is a conflict between ethnos and polis.
 
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I agree mostly with the rest of your points but you kind of lost me at this part. Space logistics by themselves aside to even make colonization viable, if it ever does get off the ground humans will naturally splinter over time - I'd even argue schisming and splintering and breaking off into your own empire that eventually splinters and repeats the cycle is a fundamental common trait in humans.

Trying to enforce some permanent unity of humanity birthed from the fever dreams of 1970s to 1990s Sci-Fi American Universalist propaganda on what the future would look like is... beyond autistic. If civilizations ever do become viable in space I would wish them the best and be content knowing that humans live on more places than just earth.
Yes, and it's incredibly dangerous. Like forget the destruction of the West, it would mean the destruction of humanity because all it would take is one crazy society, say, a light year away running off of deuterium fusion reactors in comets and everything mined from them, to turn themselves into the Borg out of efficiency and give us all the gift. Or people turning themselves and their kids into actual anthro animals and then decide to spread airborne AIDS and kill every human. You can laugh and think that's all a science fiction scenario, but that's exactly what the WEF types want you to think. Transgenderism is just the tip of the iceberg of man-made body horror we can do and the elites will push (and they already are, otherkin and transspecies are getting some press lately).

Science, and in particular space colonization will be the death of humanity. The only way to save the human race, and in particular Western civilization, is to outlaw and restrict it to the point automated lasers and drones should shoot down anything more intelligent than a dumb, highly-limited AI probe trying to leave our solar system.
I think for many people who say they would like to "save the West", the West is something different than what it has been since say the Treaty of Westphalia of 1648. For me the West mainly represents liberalism, the scientific method, democracy and human rights. Indeed the "globohomo" many who think the West needs saving oppose.
Ironically, every single one of those ideas post-dates the Treaty of Westphalia, even if you can vaguely link it back to prior concepts like Athenian democracy or the Magna Carta. I would agree with you that equating "the West" as the product of the Enlightenment is a bad idea, and indeed it's an inaccurate one given opinions of the pre-Westphalian era which distinguished the Catholic (and later Protestant) parts of Europe from the Orthodox parts.

I think the essence of "Westernness" would be the Roman Republic, which is why practically all thinkers since the Renaissance have looked back fondly toward it. We obviously can't be a bunch of Roman larpers because we are not Romans nor is our tech akin to that of the Iron Age, but evolving a new ideology to "save the West" that captures that Romanness would be possible and ideal.
 
Science, and in particular space colonization will be the death of humanity. The only way to save the human race, and in particular Western civilization, is to outlaw and restrict it to the point automated lasers and drones should shoot down anything more intelligent than a dumb, highly-limited AI probe trying to leave our solar system.
Nah, science isn't to blame, it's the retards who misuse it. You know, the nutcases who want to chop off everyone's boobs and dicks and turn everything into blob people.
 
People are too pussy to do anything about it, OP. Nobody wants to be the first, because everyone knows that there already was a first to die to change the state of X country or "the west", long ago. I'm not going to be specific about who that is because you could pick virtually anyone from Timothy MacVeigh to Martin Luther from a hat and say it's that guy. Point is, we're completely gonna go out with a whimper, and no group is willing to form to fix anything because those guys either get murdered or were already federal agents. Why risk it all when you could be eating Kid Cuisine and making $10 an hour at Wal-Mart. It ain't much, but it's something, right?

This corpse of a country is finely-tuned mediocre, deliberately calibrated to produce the most ineffective people possible. The Political/Financial/Social elites who did that have been around for so long that they knew there was nothing to do with all of these fucking people in the middle class. No jobs for the graduates, no social security for Gen Y and Z, no economic prospects because they sold all of the industries to china for a quick short term buck. Put the middle class into a very comfy poverty, and they'll kill themselves off. That takes care of the eaters, and whittles down their numbers back to a sustainable working class, tailored to the service industry, which truly is nothing more than a daycare for adults.

We are all tired, demoralized, exposed to manmade horrors that defy the natural order of things for exclusively evil purposes, every single day. It desensitizes you over time and eventually you'll just let things slide like everyone else does. No normal person has the mental fortitude required to tolerate this mess, articulate the problem, find a solution, and then fight for it. They just want to get their paycheck, so they can get back home and fall asleep to netflix until it's time to go back to work. You can't claim to be any better because you're not interned at a CIA Blacksite enough to be unable to read this.
 
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Nah, science isn't to blame, it's the retards who misuse it. You know, the nutcases who want to chop off everyone's boobs and dicks and turn everything into blob people.
That wouldn't be possible without science. Think of the big picture here. Troons are literally the tip of the iceberg, just look into morphological freedom. What we see in the troon movement will be repeated countless times since again, they're already trying to start an "Otherkin Rights" movement and technology will exist to modify people (or their unborn children) into anthro animals. Or how about turning people into hive mind cyborgs? Funding this research is all part of the WEF plan to achieve biological (or digital) immortality, which is the logical conclusion of the bankers who rule society who HATE not being able to take their money to the grave, so they will live forever.
 
Forming local communities/networks is how everyone survived after civilizational collapse in the past and it’s no different here. People don’t like hearing it because it means they have to get off their fat asses and do something. Better to just hope for a deus ex machina to save you, be a multidimensional chessmaster, or vote harder for Republicans instead.
 
You know how the West will be saved: we get another Führer who will do the dirty work (putting the woke in concentration camps wage war which will eliminate even more) until the West unites and eliminate said Führer. then the rebuilding will begin and it will be good and shiny until 80 years are over and baam rinse and repeat. Why do you think Hitler's words are so fitting for our time? Just an example "It is a small international rootless clique who goads us to tear each other apart who doesn't let us live in peace!"(paraphrasing) Replace Jew with World Economic forum and we are right there. Sorry for the sperging
 
Leave the West behind. Let them have their niggers and faggots and other assorted mystery meats. Let go of that meaningless national identity and go and do.

If the West destroys itself in your absence, why should you care? You can’t stop them from destroying themselves. They’ll fight you tooth and nail and destroy you if you try. They’ll only drag you down with them.

Just an idea from an ex-American.
 
Don't, let it die. Nothing lasts forever and nothing should last forever, especially not all this.

Create within you what will succeed it.
 
Simple, make sodomy a federal/national offense. Only America and Western European nations would defend the not honor of sodomites.
 
But sodomy is a Western sacrament! We have to preserve it if we want to save the West.

Seriously, "Western culture" is such a jumble of contradictory stuff, there just isn't any sense in trying to defend it as a whole. Stopping the swarthy hordes from flooding our countries, sure that's another thing.
 
It is a conflict between ethnos and polis.
I don't think there is a significant enough difference. It's true that when you really boil down what is valuable, it's culture, which is a mix of behaviour and values. However, we are not blank slates. Twin studies show that behaviour is predicted for roughly 60-70% by genes and about 5-10% by adoptive parents+environment (with the rest unaccounted for. Possibly epigenetic, or chance).

So we have a very poor track record of getting results by parental or environmental inculcation. And then you start to discover that genes are the root and culture is the flower. What flower a plant grows depends on its species. And the significant difference in behaviour between human races is sufficient to be different species. Certainly as it relates to behaviour. Hear a Polish communist speaking and an english conservatice aristocrat will have more in common with him than either do with a chinese man born in Germany.

But sodomy is a Western sacrament! We have to preserve it if we want to save the West.

Seriously, "Western culture" is such a jumble of contradictory stuff, there just isn't any sense in trying to defend it as a whole. Stopping the swarthy hordes from flooding our countries, sure that's another thing.

You need a flag to rally behind that feels worth dying for. You can't rally behind a void.
 
This question already presumes that there is anything about modern western civilization worth saving. What is there to save? Its values? Any good values it may have once had are gone and any current values which replaced it are corrupt moral values. Its beaurocratic order?
 
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Nothing can be done. It's too late. White "men" have spent half a century scapegoating and vilifying women and mothers. Now you're dying out because women hate you and are going asexual, gay or screwing non-white men.

You get what you deserve...
We must physically remove these people.

Quite literally our elites hate us. We must form power blocks ourselves and whether there be collapse or not, stand against the sort of sordid creature who only say things like this because they never cared about our well being to begin with.

I think for many people who say they would like to "save the West", the West is something different than what it has been since say the Treaty of Westphalia of 1648. For me the West mainly represents liberalism, the scientific method, democracy and human rights. Indeed the "globohomo" many who think the West needs saving oppose.

However there is also the ethnos. I have grown up here in my home country in Europe seeing it get inundated by foreigners with skin colours different from mine. Is that something we need to save the West from? I am not quite sure. It is a conflict between ethnos and polis.
Most Americans or Brits properly informed would have sided with the Germans. As larpy as it sounds, the Reich had a viable way forward for The West. Hitler was not fighting for Germany alone. He knew he couldn't form the power block he needed without smashing some uncooperative, parasite addled heads, but he never intended to go to war with England or the United States. His purpose was to form a block with which he could maintain European sovereignty and oppose the emerging blatantly anti-Western force of international finance which armed itself with the shape-shifting ideological hammer of parasitism (bolshevism, communism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy); a subversion of The West which continues to this day.

Hitler was right, and he truly believed in what he put forward; he and his men were the greatest heroes of our era, and their defeat it's greatest tragedy. They are uniquely vilified for this reason alone.

Point being, the fundamental problem has not changed since then. Given that, the solution, by whoever's hand it is delivered, is one which will necessarily reflects theirs, albeit adapted to the times. That is to say, The West has a way forward, and a part of it begun down it but faltered against the sheer weight of the rest weaponized against it. As dimly as it is lit, that path remains yet open, for those willing to see it.

Practically speaking, any effort begins by joining, in person, with others working to kindle this spirit. First ensure you're a person worth having around, then literally move to where they are. What's next depends on circumstance, but the more people who can organize in a contiguous place the more can be done. Rely on each other over outsiders, and grow your numbers thoughtfully. Ignore naysayers as by their apathy they show they are not of the west to begin with, or are a part of it which should be lost. These organized groups having started their own institutions, communities, and centers of human action will serve to arm the broader sphere as its ideas evolve and resolve to take physical form.
 
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Most Americans or Brits properly informed would have sided with the Germans. As larpy as it sounds, the Reich had a viable way forward for The West. Hitler was not fighting for Germany alone. He knew he couldn't form the power block he needed without smashing some uncooperative, parasite addled heads, but he never intended to go to war with England or the United States. His purpose was to form a block with which he could maintain European sovereignty and oppose the emerging blatantly anti-Western force of international finance which armed itself with the shape-shifting ideological hammer of parasitism (bolshevism, communism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy); a subversion of The West which continues to this day.
Hitler's regime operated for nothing but the aggrandizement of Germany. That's why the Nazis couldn't make up a coherent policy on the Slavs and let a few warlords operate freely (very few of them Russian with the exception of Vlasov and one other guy's project I can't recall now) while shot others (like some Polish fascists who wanted to collaborate). While there were some Nazis who wanted a true anti-Bolshevik crusade, plenty of others just wanted German/"Aryan" supremacy or thought they were doing WWI all over again but with more shooting people. If Hitler had wanted nothing but a revision of Eastern Europe to the Brest-Litovsk borders and pro-German states of 1918, he would have won because partisan activity would have been radically reduced and he'd have much better logistics to overrun the last viable Soviet lines of defense along the Volga.
 
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