Science Huge genome study confronted by concerns over race analysis - Some geneticists say key figure falsely suggests genetic data support notion of distinct races

BY JOCELYN KAISER
23 FEB 2024 6:05 PM ET

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An attempt to depict the relatedness of nearly 250,000 people in the All of Us study has drawn criticism.ALL OF US RESEARCH PROGRAM GENOMICS INVESTIGATORS, NATURE (2024), HTTPS://DOI.ORG/10.1038/S41586-023-06957-X

An uproar broke out on social media this week after Nature published a paper about a massive U.S. health research effort to capture the genetic diversity of people across the country. Critics said a key figure, which depicts patterns of relatedness among nearly 250,000 study volunteers whose genomes were sequenced, could mislead some readers into thinking the data support the idea that humans fall into distinct races.

The flap highlights the challenge of describing human ancestry data, some scientists say. The leader of the challenged All of Us study, funded by the National Institutes of Health, acknowledged in a statement that “many excellent points have been raised” about how researchers communicated their results. But they have no plans to revise the figure. “The feedback highlights how quickly this field of research is evolving, as well as its complexity,” geneticist and All of Us CEO Josh Denny said in the statement.

The study, which aims to eventually recruit 1 million volunteers across the United States, was designed to address concerns that existing genomic data sets are primarily composed of data from people of European descent. All of Us, however, has prioritized recruiting Black people, Latinos, and others with normally underrepresented backgrounds. The Nature paper, one of several from the study published this week, identified more than 1 billion DNA differences, or variants, among the nearly 250,000 genomes, noting that about one-quarter of those variants are novel and some could yield fresh insights into diseases.

Many researchers noted the value of the data set for expanding genomic research to include a greater diversity of people. However, several prominent geneticists quickly expressed concern that the way the All of Us team depicted the diversity in its data set was overly simplistic. The authors had used an algorithm called uniform manifold approximation and projection (UMAP) to summarize the variation and visually represent genetic relationships among participants who described themselves as white, Black, Asian, or a member of another racial group. This resulted in a graph consisting of several blobs of different colors (see the figure here).

The problem, critics said, is that UMAP creates blobs that look distinct while masking the inherent messiness in the data. “The fact that they are distinct is an artefact/feature of UMAP,” Ewan Birney, director of the European Bioinformatics Institute, wrote in a long thread on the social media platform X (formerly Twitter) describing how UMAP takes complex genomic data and summarizes them in 2D. “Almost certainly, some of the people in the other big blobs are some sort of cousin to the main blob.”

Birney acknowledged there’s no “easy way to represent this data in 2D” but also expressed concern that “it can easily be read as ‘race is pretty real, and associated with genetics’ which is … *not* a good interpretation.” Stanford University geneticist Jonathan Pritchard expressed a similar concern. “I’m not a UMAP hater in all settings, but I think it’s misleading and potentially harmful for this specific problem,” he wrote on X, adding that it could be “misinterpreted by the public.”

The paper’s corresponding author, geneticist Alexander Bick of Vanderbilt University Medical Center, acknowledges that the figure could have been labeled more clearly. But he points out that the three other major human genome papers published in the past few years, from the UK Biobank, a database called gnomAD, and the Mexican Biobank, also use the UMAP algorithm, which “is frankly why we selected it.” Trying to depict complex genomics data in 2D is “really challenging,” he says.

Bick also counters arguments by some critics that the All of Us paper authors disregarded a recent National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine report on the appropriate use of population labels in genetics studies. He notes that the report came out after the Nature paper was first submitted, but that he and his co-authors incorporated its advice on several matters, such as not including race and ethnicity in the same figure.
Outspoken geneticist and former eLife Editor-in-Chief Michael Eisen called on X for a retraction of the Nature paper, warning that it “features a scientifically invalid representation of genetic diversity and race that is going to feature in racist literature for decades.”

When asked about the concerns, a Nature spokesperson said: “We are aware of the discussions that are taking place and are in contact with the authors.”

Geneticist Daniel MacArthur of the Garvan Institute of Medical Research tried to find a middle ground in the discussion. “All Of Us is one of the most thoughtfully inclusive programs in the history of human genetics, and will have enormous impact on reducing inequity in genomic medicine,” he posted on X. But, he added, the lesson of the UMAP flap is to “be careful with ancestry labels; they matter.”

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Leftists believe everyone in the world is equal, except right-wingers, who are subhuman inbred genetic trash worthy of extermination.
You ever notice that when it comes to racial differences, especially IQ, the Leftists are the first people to think about killing people? Will Stancil did this during his week long melt down about Steve Sailer. It's always "If people have a lower average IQ, that'll lead to genocide." No one on the Right that's not stupid white trash does this, they just think it should be taken into consideration. But the Left, "Oh your IQ is 99, into the gas chambers with you." Isn't it funny that's always where they go?
 
But we are different races. The article uses the weaselly ‘distinct’ when the groups can be a bit fuzzy around the edges, but we are composed of different subgroups. That that is controversial blows my mind. Take a swede and a Han Chinese - body on earth wouldn’t pick them out and assign them to different groups. The problem is that where biologists see difference they see a puzzle or an interesting datapoint. Where leftist progressives see a difference they see a hierarchy and where they see a hierarchy it means one is the baddie and one the goodie.

In reality, our swede and our Chinese are just slightly different subtypes of humanity. It’s their own racism that’s showing


A GREAT DANE AND A GOLDEN RETRIEVER ARE DIFFERENT BUT ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN
 
I have not heard of UMAP, but even when Bioinformatics attempts to use Single Nucleotide Polymorphism to determine whether races are distinct, ideologues were bellyaching. I have written an effortpost on this.

To deny that there are real biological differences between races not only prevented the discovery of race-specific risk factors of diseases, but will also lead to one-size-fits-all public administration that wastes money and time.
 
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There's no such thing as race is a bad argument. Maybe the old concept of race is a bad way to describe it but there are genetic differences amongst populations. Understanding this would lead to better outcomes for people.

Yet we're told that medicine is racist and it is sexist because most of the study has been on white people and predominately white males. Providing a bias against females and non white people. Yet the people most eager to point this out as sexist and racist will also tell you race doesn't exist and there's no difference between men and women. So much cognitive dissonance.
 
I would believe that Kazuma Kiryu from the Yakuza series was modeled with Ainu features. In some scenes he looks almost Persian.
Makes sense, he's huge compared to the average Jap and clearly alpha as fuck. Probably why they didn't let him keep the Korean police lady from 2 around, didn't want her inferior gookiness to corrupt his pure Jomon genetics.
 
They want this shit gone, bad. Genetic racial denialism is the linchpin for their entire race and immigration agendas.
It all rests on the notion that everyone is the same and if only Whitey wasnt keeping them down there would be no problems.

People already know on some level or another that the races are just different in terms of things like intelligence and behavior, but having scientific proof of a genetic basis for that is going to cause serious problems for the tunnel people.
 
It’s what the left thinks will happen with the info that’s fascinating. Take IQ. ‘If we IQ test people and find one group has lower IQ they will get genocided.’ Why?? How??
Ok but no, there’s a massive spread of IQ within most populations. Are you saying that dim white people should get less rights?
When you take what they believe to its natural conclusion it’s quite unpleasant.
The reality is that we have a number of different human ‘breeds’ (@Tasty Tatty thats probably the best way of expressing it.) if we all have to share a space then we need to agree on some basic (shock! ) human rights and laws that apply to everyone.

Differences should only matter when they genuinely matter. If one race has a slightly different way of controlling blood pressure, you’re going to want to take that into account when you treat them. If you’re testing an Eskimo’s vitamin D levels then same. If you’re doing school admissions, you set a standard and then hold everyone to it, regardless of race. Everyone is expected to follow the law of the land. This is all the nice kumbaya colourblind stuff people used to get along with before the CRT crowd make racism the single worst thing in the universe. It’s funny but people got along better then.
It would be even nicer if everyone had their own homeland, because otherwise you lose your culture and end up one homogenous lump, but we don’t, so we all need to find some way of managing. Denying any difference is not the way. A kind of cultural secularism is probably the best cope.
 
Unironically I agree that this visual representation of the data is pointless, wholly useless, and stupid, because it looks like paint spatters and effectively conveys no meaning. Ok so the yellow-orange spatter is the biggest and the top of it looks like a kiwi bird taking a piss on a gray seahorse- OHMYGOD I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING

EVERYTHING
 
One part that leaped out at me was the comment that it's problematic when you represent it in two dimensions but that most people wouldn't understand other visual representations. It leaped out at me because it's part of a pattern of the intellectually capable being constrained by the limitations of others to understand it. I've run into this in my own career and it's a very real but rarely highlighted problem, I think. The scientists are saying that the information itself isn't actually a problem in any sense - political or otherwise - but others aren't educated in ways that prevent them turning it into a problem. I see that happen all too often.

Which leads a little into my next comment which is to do with the several posts in this thread talking about how the Left (Progressives) cannot see differences except in terms of inequality. People aren't only seeing things in particular ways because they lack the training to see them more accurately, but also because there is a gain for them in seeing them in particular ways. It's too strong to say that people here are missing the point by saying that "the Left" can't see differences except in terms of inequality, but I think people are missing that declaring 'inequality' is a method of gaining power over others as well. The viewpoint isn't necessarily one of limited thinking (though it is), but that it fuels an agenda. It is limited thinking but it is sometimes (but not always) deliberately limited.

It’s what the left thinks will happen with the info that’s fascinating. Take IQ. ‘If we IQ test people and find one group has lower IQ they will get genocided.’ Why?? How?? Ok but no, there’s a massive spread of IQ within most populations. Are you saying that dim white people should get less rights?
"fewer" rights. ;)

So I actually somewhat disagree here. Not about the less/fewer, that's just my OCD hang-up, but about the lack of impact of such studies. You and I and most people on this thread understand that all of these traits are a statistical spread. We know that even if group X has a mean IQ 5 points lower than group Y, that there is no efficiency gain in assuming someone we meet of group X is less intelligent than someone of group Y we meet. There's a small percentage chance they are but it's not onerous to actually check - an interview, a date, a few jokes, whatever is contextually most appropriate. Unless differences are absolutely staggeringly overwhelming it's not going to be to the advantage of any person or organisation to make judgements based on race instead of assessing the individual. So where's the disagreement with what you said? Well it's that I think "the Left" are correct that it would lead to significant negative consequences for any racial group identified as less intelligent. Not because that group is less intelligent than others, because the overwhelming mass of humanity is less intelligent than us.

Whether its education or innate, vast swathes of humanity is unequipped to think "so this means there's a 5% chance that this person in front of my is below the average IQ relative to the same chance of a person I met yesterday". Instead most people will expect that person to be less smart. Including, unfortunately, the people themselves. I don't know if there's an innate difference in IQ separate to environment in which someone is raised, but I know for a fact that environment has been a massive factor. Look at the American school system or Obama's "No Child Left Behind" policies. When you hold someone to lower standards, when you excuse poor behaviour, when you expect less of someone, then most of the time that's what you get. Scientific evidence showing a mean lower IQ for a group will lead to further attitudes of "why shouldn't I be aggressive, why should I study?" etc. because in all honesty, most people aren't equipped to understand what such results actually mean. Which brings us back to my opening comment - what do you do when people don't have the ability or education to understand research?

To be clear, my answer is not don't conduct and publish research. But it's that consequences need to be acknowledged and managed. Which is what the scientist quoted in the article is wrestling with when he says: the results aren't bad but my inability to stop them looking bad when all I can show to people is a 2D blob of colours, is a problem.
 
Lots. Black women do indeed die more often during pregnancy and birth. It’s probably something fairly simple that we could pinpoinpoint and fix to stop babies dying but no, it must be muh structural racism. So the babies keep dying.

It’s up to 20% in some groups.
Some groups cluster really far away. The san bushmen do I think. That’s really fascinating for evolutionary history and maybe medicine, but lefties don’t see it like that. They can’t get their heads around ‘let’s all accept we are different but agree on some basic tenets and standards of behaviour and legal rights we all share.’ They HAVE to see a hierarchy. They have to see any difference as better/worse and becasue they are all, deep down, racist as anyone else, they assume that a geneticist saying ‘these groups have really different ancestry, how interesting’ means one is getting enslaved.
I hate them. Human evolution is so fascinating and we can’t even discuss it openly.
They also don't like that Natural Selection has favored certain traits genetically on certain ethnicities.

Specifically Africans. High-intelligence individuals either leave the area or die. This resulted in a tendency for lower-intelligence, highly-aggressive, constantly reproducing individuals to become dominant and pass down their genetics.

It's why a lot of Africans and people of African ancestry have room-temperature IQ, no ambition/inventiveness, and reproduce like rabbits. And these are the people we've been importing in bulk.

Acknowledging this is a HUGE problem for progressives.
 
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