Culture I am Gen Z. Men in my generation are not dating. Why should we?

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All across America, marriage, sexuality and relationships are on the steady decline among young people. According to a new Pew Research study, 63% percent of men aged 18 to 29 report being single. That means the number of single young men is nearly twice that of single young women, indicating a large breakdown in the social, romantic and sexual lives of American men. The big question is: Why?

One would think that making romantic connections would be easier than ever in our digital world, but the opposite is true. Our culture of convenience has paradoxically made dating more difficult for men as they are forced into a hyper-competitive, superficial environment that emphasizes instant gratification over true human connection. While there are several potential culprits causing this relationship breakdown, nothing has done more damage to the dating landscape than dating apps, social media and pornography.

Let’s start with dating apps. The advent of relationship websites started with Match.com in 1995 and evolved into the swipe-based platforms we know today with Tinder and Hinge releasing in 2012, and Bumble in 2014.

According to a survey of 6,034 adults, 53% of adults ages 18-29 have found someone to date through an app or site. However, new Census data shows that the U.S. marriage rate hit an all-time low in 2019. For every 1,000 unmarried adults, only 33 got married. This number was 35 a decade ago in 2010 and much higher at 86% in 1970. So, what gives?

It’s easier for men to date, thanks to technological conveniences, yet this technology has created a counterintuitive situation leading them to have a fickle attitude toward relationships, constantly searching for the next thing instead of committing to one person.

With the abundance of choices on dating apps, young men are finding it difficult to build deeper connections with a single person due to that sense of constant availability. When a minor red flag appears in a relationship that is otherwise going smoothly, why stick around and work it out when thousands of other choices are right at your fingertips? Young men are making that calculation every day on dating apps and are siding with the latter. How can you blame them with the constant programming coming from social media?

With social media today, men can scroll through their feeds and popular pages to view more beautiful women in one sitting than most men would see in their lifetime a hundred years ago.
Social media vies for people's attention leading women to commercialize themselves, which gives men an unrealistic expectation of the dating pool. On social media, people are encouraged to only show their best, even if it’s fake! With the advancements in facial-recognition technology, many times men are looking at women through heavily filtered and airbrushed lenses.

While women reap the benefit of the online attention, men are left wondering how the dating pool has gotten so far out of reach. Consequently, those same women who are marketing themselves as something they’re not are left without a partner and wondering where all the good men have gone. Through social media, both sexes are conditioned to treat themselves as a number instead of embracing true human connection and partnership.

Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but to me, flirting face-to-face leaves a bigger impression on the potential for a relationship than reacting to girls’ Instagram Stories with the flame emoji. Coupled with the barrage of women on dating apps, the culture of constant comparison fostered by social media makes it hard for men to commit to a relationship and settle down. If that wasn’t enough, now even men’s greatest source of dating motivation has been co-opted by pornography.

There is no doubt that lust, which is carnal in nature, is the strongest driving motivation for men when it comes to dating. It sparks initial attraction and passion and draws people together. Ultimately though, lust may fade, but the emotional connection typically built upon that initial sense of attraction is what can determine a relationship’s success.

Pornography, however, completely destroys this dynamic, because it shifts men’s reward system to simply being carnal and physical in nature but lacking the emotional connection necessary for healthy relationships. Today, pornography is easier than ever to consume. Forty million U.S. adults regularly visit pornography websites, and 10% of U.S. adults admit to having an addiction to Internet pornography.
It’s easier for men to date thanks to technological conveniences, yet this technology has created a counterintuitive situation leading them to have a fickle attitude toward relationships, constantly searching for the next thing instead of committing to one person.
Research shows that about 67% of 13-year-old boys have seen at least one pornographic image on some sort of digital device in the past year, and by the age of 18, that number rises to 90%.

In porn, finding a "relationship" is effortless. With porn, this digital partner has nothing else to do but wait for you, please you and give you exactly what you think you want. If this partner ever fails to keep you entertained, they can be exchanged with a single click. Why waste your time dating, flirting and putting in effort when men can have their deepest sexual desires met online?

Today, men in their 20s are more likely than women to be romantically uninvolved, sexually dormant and friendless. Studies have shown that men are more likely to engage in risky and violent behaviors when they lack a stable relationship, leading to higher crime rates, substance abuse and social unrest. Single men may also be less invested in building strong social networks, leading to isolation and a lack of community engagement.

Simply put, the breakdown of relationships between men and women is startling, and it is detrimental to a healthy society. The good news is that men can fix this, and the remedy is easier than we think. Leave dating apps, stop watching porn, and go talk to girls in real life.
 
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While it helps, and it's ego-boosting when you get looks in convenience stores and shit, it's still just a foot in the door. If you're some kind of bumbling autist then height might help you get laid, but not get a wife. If you want to get a woman wet then get dirty fixing her sink.

On topic, why would young people want to date when they have TV, Netflix, Fortnite (anyone still plays Quake?), Twitter, complementary post-school courses, so much stuff to buy and work to afford and a corpo career to make? Where I live young couples dont't have problems affording kids but with sacrificing time on them. Both mom and dad work around the clock, relatives are away from the big city so kid stays in home alone all day. People are simply either too overworked to bother with starting a family (look at Korea and Japan), or would rather waste time in vidya and Internet. Tax-payed retirement funds also strangle young people financially, which creates a demographic crisis, which ups the taxes even higher to keep the fund sustainable, which strangles young ones even more etc. in an infinite feedback loop until the whole thing collapses and people will be forced to go back to having kids who will take care of you in old age.
 
One thing I've noticed in my life


I split up with my now ex wife right in the begging of COVID. I am a late 30s, white, tall, mildly successful, not the best looking but I can grow a beard and I'm tall. I get a lot more attention than I should from Zoomer women. I talk to them about why are you fucking around with an 'old man' like myself. They all say men their age are like 12 year old boys. All still live at home, play video games all day, get stoned and have zero drive. My girls best friend (mid 20s) is going through a divorce right now and watching her date these mid 20 year old boys is comical. She went on a few dates with a 37 year old and now she is on the 'fuck 20 year old boys, I need a man' train.


If your 35+ there is zero reason why you can't find a traid wife. A lot of the youth women want a traid husband. They want to be stay at home wife/moms.

AND

This also means you can't be a piece of shit living at your mothers/brothers/boys house. You need to have a drive and goals. It's almost like men have forgotten (I was guilty of this too) that women are attracted to men with drive.

I went from your average atheist millennial nerd to a man who puts God, Family and Country first. Women don't want atheist nerds.
 
One thing I've noticed in my life


I split up with my now ex wife right in the begging of COVID. I am a late 30s, white, tall, mildly successful, not the best looking but I can grow a beard and I'm tall. I get a lot more attention than I should from Zoomer women. I talk to them about why are you fucking around with an 'old man' like myself. They all say men their age are like 12 year old boys. All still live at home, play video games all day, get stoned and have zero drive. My girls best friend (mid 20s) is going through a divorce right now and watching her date these mid 20 year old boys is comical. She went on a few dates with a 37 year old and now she is on the 'fuck 20 year old boys, I need a man' train.


If your 35+ there is zero reason why you can't find a traid wife. A lot of the youth women want a traid husband. They want to be stay at home wife/moms.

AND

This also means you can't be a piece of shit living at your mothers/brothers/boys house. You need to have a drive and goals. It's almost like men have forgotten (I was guilty of this too) that women are attracted to men with drive.

I went from your average atheist millennial nerd to a man who puts God, Family and Country first. Women don't want atheist nerds.
I don't believe this. Any 35+ year d man going out and hitting on zoomers is going to get pepper sprayed.
 
A lot of the youth women want a traid husband.
Can't tell if you meant to type "trad husband" or "trade husband"
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I split up with my now ex wife right in the begging of COVID. I am a late 30s, white, tall, mildly successful, not the best looking but I can grow a beard and I'm tall. I get a lot more attention than I should from Zoomer women. I talk to them about why are you fucking around with an 'old man' like myself. They all say men their age are like 12 year old boys. All still live at home, play video games all day, get stoned and have zero drive. My girls best friend (mid 20s) is going through a divorce right now and watching her date these mid 20 year old boys is comical. She went on a few dates with a 37 year old and now she is on the 'fuck 20 year old boys, I need a man' train.

I wonder what happens to a lot of these mismatches in 5-10 years.

A mid 30s, early 40s guy has experience and resources which might make him temporarily attractive to resource-poor college-aged/college-exiting women. The middle-aged guy can probably fake acting younger for awhile at the start.

But as the clock ticks on, these middle-aged guys are going to quickly get more creaky and won't be able to fake it so much anymore to cover the age gap.

While some of these women may simultaneously be starting to hit the wall or going baby crazy, they will still be hovering around 30 while their guy has one foot in the grave and is already eyeing retirement.
 
Established women is never going to date down. And established men is never going to date older or near his age unless the offering from established women is attractive.

But generally, it's not going be science.... Though it does get predictable ...

You never know who you will end up with.....might as well try to fuck every women you see.
 
I used to be one of those proto-incel nice guy types, by the time I figured out my problems were me, I saw what the dating market became and figured it's not worth it.

I tried the online dating thing and it was too much work for no reward and most of my hobbies are male centric so that's out and the other scenes I'm in are full of the blue hair BPD types and I'm not that stupid or desperate to stick my dick in crazy.
 
One thing I've noticed in my life


I split up with my now ex wife right in the begging of COVID. I am a late 30s, white, tall, mildly successful, not the best looking but I can grow a beard and I'm tall. I get a lot more attention than I should from Zoomer women. I talk to them about why are you fucking around with an 'old man' like myself. They all say men their age are like 12 year old boys. All still live at home, play video games all day, get stoned and have zero drive. My girls best friend (mid 20s) is going through a divorce right now and watching her date these mid 20 year old boys is comical. She went on a few dates with a 37 year old and now she is on the 'fuck 20 year old boys, I need a man' train.


If your 35+ there is zero reason why you can't find a traid wife. A lot of the youth women want a traid husband. They want to be stay at home wife/moms.

AND

This also means you can't be a piece of shit living at your mothers/brothers/boys house. You need to have a drive and goals. It's almost like men have forgotten (I was guilty of this too) that women are attracted to men with drive.

I went from your average atheist millennial nerd to a man who puts God, Family and Country first. Women don't want atheist nerds.
Nice blog post bro tell us more about your divorce.
 
One thing that isn't being discussed on this topic is the rise of autism in young men and how it negatively effects the dating market.
I think the numbers are probably the same, but those autists are not dying in industrial revolution workplace accidents or drafted into wars anymore, so they seem to be piling up.

Source: it's just a feeling I have bro
 
I think the numbers are probably the same, but those autists are not dying in industrial revolution workplace accidents or drafted into wars anymore, so they seem to be piling up.

Source: it's just a feeling I have bro
Or microplastics
Or people having kids later in life on average
Or the increased usage of recreational drugs in the past few generations
Or fertilizer and pesticide runoffs ending up in the drinking water
Or prescription/OTC medications including birth control ending up in the drinking water
Or heavy metal content in vaccines
Or vaccine injuries in general
Or...

There's a lot of other suspects and it's probably a combination of the above plus munchies/victimhood coin going up.
Applies to the topic of the rising rates of autism as it did to the post this was written to as a response.
 
I don't believe this. Any 35+ year d man going out and hitting on zoomers is going to get pepper sprayed.
I get dates with girls in their early 20s. Granted I still get confused for 20ish and lift, but I have my shit together and don't try any of those lame pick up lines (the girl I'm dating now i told her she was cute and would like to take her out sometime).

I tried the online dating thing and it was too much work for no reward and most of my hobbies are male centric so that's out and the other scenes I'm in are full of the blue hair BPD types and I'm not that stupid or desperate to stick my dick in crazy
Online dating is bad unless you're really good looking, or can fake it by taking exotic pictures. Gym and yoga has been the only hobby where I've found good dating prospects, as anime shit is full of fat leftist.
 
If you want to get a woman wet then get dirty fixing her sink.

Maybe I'm dating the wrong type of women, but the women I've dated, if I try to do stuff like that, they usually are like "I could fix that/I was going to fix that" and they aren't very grateful that I did anything. A good example of this is the woman I was dating I offered to help her hang her flat screen TV. She wanted as few holes in her wall as possible, so I brought my good quality stud finder. The problem was her walls, very strangely, were highly textured (only time in my life I've come across textured in a living room), and anyone that knows how a stud finder works knows that is going to fuck with its operation. With that limitation, I did my best, but I ended up with +1 extra holes in the wall trying to get it hung. With the TV up you couldn't even see it. In the end the TV was hung securely, level, and working properly. You know what she said "Thanks for helping me get that done, despite the extra hole in the wall". I honestly wanted to backhand her (but I didn't). That, and a few other experiences, really soured me on helping women do anything.
 
Maybe I'm dating the wrong type of women, but the women I've dated, if I try to do stuff like that, they usually are like "I could fix that/I was going to fix that" and they aren't very grateful that I did anything. A good example of this is the woman I was dating I offered to help her hang her flat screen TV. She wanted as few holes in her wall as possible, so I brought my good quality stud finder. The problem was her walls, very strangely, were highly textured (only time in my life I've come across textured in a living room), and anyone that knows how a stud finder works knows that is going to fuck with its operation. With that limitation, I did my best, but I ended up with +1 extra holes in the wall trying to get it hung. With the TV up you couldn't even see it. In the end the TV was hung securely, level, and working properly. You know what she said "Thanks for helping me get that done, despite the extra hole in the wall". I honestly wanted to backhand her (but I didn't). That, and a few other experiences, really soured me on helping women do anything.

Don't ever do home repair for a woman who's never cooked for you.
 
Many don't want to concede that people hold to traditional expectations of men and women, if only subconsciously. Men are the tall, strong providers, and women are the caring homemakers, and if you're a soyboy or a thot people will probably pass you up for a serious partnership. Compounding this, the push has been to launder all expectations to exempt all women but hold men to them.

A man has to make more money, or else he's a broke loser, but is also expected to pay for dates etc. to prove that he's "serious".
If a man won't date the average Blastoise woman then he's fatphobic, but it's okay to expect your boyfriend to "take care of himself" and "not be a slob".
A virgin with no dating experience is weird, and it's okay to be suspicious that there's something wrong or else he'd have had a girlfriend by now, but if you care about a woman's romantic/sexual history you're a misogynist.

But really, the most succinct example is right here. In this OP and thread, men aren't dating women, and that means men need to step up and fix it. In another thread posted not even a day apart, women aren't dating men, and that means men need to fix it. But we all agree that online dating is a scam and everyone hates it, everyone indicates it's harder to find a partner in person, so let's band together to solve this riddle.
you guys can play the blame game with the opposite sex all you want but you're just gonna create a bigger rift while your genitals rot away into nothingness.
Meet people in your hobby groups. Talk to them, build a relationship. Fuck them and get married.
You guys are falling for dating apps and dating scenes which are designed to make you hate everyone and everything and continuously use the apps for frivolous living.
The sad thing is that I agree with this advice and it's the best you can get as a guy, and that's a big part of the problem. Anything focused on dating - apps, speed dating events, whatever - is doomed to fail due to the imbalance of who shows up. The best strategy is to make friends, join hobby groups, be social and charming... except that these social environments are totally hostile to romantic advances. If you ask out a stranger, you're creepy and bothering someone just trying to [work out at the gym / shop for a book at the store / listen to music at the coffee shop], and if you make friends with a girl then ask her out that's weird and manipulative and she thought you were just friends and you should have been upfront about what you wanted, if you ask out someone at work you risk HR action... society has decided the very act of showing romantic interest is hostile, and treated it as such.
Sure, you are going to meet a lot of shitty people or people who ghost you because that's the world we live in, but ffs, just try harder.
And through all this, literally all anyone can do is tell men to "try harder", in the most generic and unhelpful manner. This is the reason people trashcanned this post, it's good advice right up until it's not actually, and it's just advocating the insanity of trying an outmoded approach to a novel problem.

Men are told to jump through a series of hoops to get the opportunity to be near a girl, where they can jump through hoops to impress her and ask for her number, then they can pay money for a date to jump through hoops to trick her into liking him.

Women sigh and say they can't meet anyone of quality, confirm that no they have never actually been the one to ask someone out, and nonetheless conclude that men need to step up.
 
Women sigh and say they can't meet anyone of quality, confirm that no they have never actually been the one to ask someone out
Women should ask out men if they want a quality guy. They would be far more successful than the other way around. Men get virtually no compliments from women, especially on their attractiveness, so if a woman does ask out a man, that's a massive compliment to him, and he is probably really going to appreciate that and like her for it. I know I would.
 
Completely removes the woman from thr equation and places the burden entirely on men to fix it,nsoinds about right
It's a very Marxist framework, class-conflict but between genders. The burden of responsibility falls on men and women to change their behavior, otherwise any attempt to fix gender relations will be half-assed.
 
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