I dont get why so many hate anime?

[Squawking Macaw]

My personal reason for hating anime is that any series I try to get into always has a shit ending so it made me completely drop the genre. It's a waste of time getting invested when about 80% of the time it's going to have a shit ending. These fucking gooks only know how to write on a per chapter basis and never figured out how to end their stories, it's something that's plagued the industry since its inception.

Last time I tried watching anime I picked a series about people battling giant monsters.

Then there's a timeskip and it turns into WWII fanfiction where the jews can turn giant. No thank you.

 

[stupid fufu]

Last time I tried watching anime I picked a series about people battling giant monsters.

Then there's a timeskip and it turns into WWII fanfiction where the jews can turn giant. No thank you.

I think I know what you're talking about, Attack on Titan?

If it is, the timeskip is the worst part about that. That and the diarrhea they call an "ending" It's like you can tell when a writer just runs out of ideas.

 

[LightDragonman1]

As someone who still watches and is a fan of anime, this thread has pretty much summed up the reasons for others disliking it. The overly formulaic shonen series, the off putting degenerate fanservice, and the more insane fans.

Thing is, that’s the case with pretty much every medium out there. Everything has its ups and downs, along with fans that really need to get a grip. Not sure why anime in particular gets the bad rep.

Forgive me for sounding a bit autistic here, but even now, you can still find anime that manages to rise above the status quo like back then. It’s those gems that manage to shine that keeps me a fan. Which makes me wonder about why so many here are saying only the old anime is good.

Course, aside from purchasing figures every now and then, I try to remain a more casual fan. I agree, the antics that the more obsessed fans get to is rather off-putting.

 

[LightDragonman1]

Yeah this was a big factor in my own falling out with anime.

Steins;gate is the first thing I think of here. I loved the first two thirds of it but then as it was starting to wrap up I'm like "this is lame."

............

This is genuinely a topic I find hard to add to, partly because I've talked about anime at length before and partly because most people have already said what I would say.

Bad endings, lack of subtlety....

And also there's just some quirks with the writing that bug me. It kind of goes into the "tropeyness" thing others have mentioned but....

I can't recall if I said this (I believe I did) but I use Saint Seiya as an example: the first arc has a villain named Ikki the Phoenix, who turned evil because of child abuse. But when Seiya finally confronts him and they have a chance to talk... it degrades into Seiya just screaming "but friendship is good, you have to have friends!" while Ikki says "I'll show you the power of a lone wolf!"

But... first of all that's retarded--Ikki had followers and thus probably did have friends on some level. He was not a "lone wolf." Secondly, nothing either of them discuss actually addresses the issue that the organization behind the Saints did some shitty things and got justified retribution for it. It's like it side-steps any actual discussion and instead just resorts to empty platitudes.

A lot of anime have this problem. This is where in some of my recent topics I get off preferring western animation like He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. When Teela and Evil-Lyn get a chance to talk in the episode "the Witch and the Warrior"... they actually discuss their differing POVs in a meaningful sense that relate to them. Teela doesn't just throw lame platitudes about goodness at her.

*Warning for an autistic rant from an anime fan”

Again, it all really depends on the anime you watch. I’ve seen just as many anime that managed to nail their ending and also manage to have meaningful discussions beyond just “power of friendship” platitudes. Mainly, the ones that are more seinen focused. Heck, even the slice-of-life shows tend to be better at this, as they aren’t concerned with life or death struggles.

I do agree that at times, it does result in typical platitudes being thrown at each other. That is why I tend to avoid long running shonen anime, as they are usually the most guilty about this. When an anime does try to do more than that though, and really delve deeper into a character beyond just simple “lone-wolf power” or “friendship will conquer all”, that’s when it leaves an impact. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why Evangelion became such a huge cultural touchstone.

On the note of endings, I’ve seen several fellow anime fans give a few explanations. Having to write not knowing whether or not the show will continue, leaving uncertainty as to how it should end, many shows being advertisements for a still ongoing manga, it being cut short, etc. That said, the shows that do manage to nail their endings do so very well.

I know it’s a rather weird thing for me to bring up, and I’m probably going on another autistic rant here, but it’s one reason why I like shows such as Madoka Magica. Stuff such as “the power of friendship” doesn’t work, and the main character only comes to her final decision after seeing everything else that happened, and chooses accordingly, and the ending is thusly satisfying, even when the sequel movie ends on a cliffhanger.

What was the problem you had with the ending of Steins Gate exactly? That’s considered by many to have ended in a satisfying manner. Not to mention it resolves character flaws in a way that doesn’t rely on platitudes as well, unless I’m misremembering.

And speaking frankly, I see a lot of the problems you mentioned in Western Animation as well, though again, there are definitely exceptions like Avatar TLA.

 

[skykiii]

What was the problem you had with the ending of Steins Gate exactly? That’s considered by many to have ended in a satisfying manner. Not to mention it resolves character flaws in a way that doesn’t rely on platitudes as well, unless I’m misremembering.

Steins Gate was an example of another weird commonality I was noticing in anime for a bit, and its actually similar to one of my issues with horror games.

Basically, the whole show leads you to think that once they finally "cross Steins Gate" something amazing is gonna happen. I recall an episode early on where at some point the main dude has this dream about talking to the cutesy girl (I forget the names) in some red-sky space implied to be primordial Earth.

And I mean, its not beyond the pale--some of my first anime experiences were what I called "Hastings Movies" (because I rented them from a place called Hastings a lot) which I characterized as having "wow" endings. Like Gall Force: Eternal Story ended showing that the events of the movie were actually the beginning of life on Earth, or BiRTH ending with.... umm.. actually I have no idea what the fuck BiRTH's ending was about. Or to use a TV series, even Evangelion was more along what I expected.

But then you actually get to the home stretch of Steins Gate and... the whole show turns out to have been a big journey to press the reset button and prevent the events of the series from happening, save that main dude gets to find a technicality that allows his red-haired waifu to survive (he should have just sold his marriage to Satan, like all good people who date redheads).

It probably would have bothered me less if I wasn't absolutely hating how the show had descended into emotional manipulation and "because the plot needs it to happen" logic. Wringing a reaction out of the audience by just always having bad things happen to the "cute" character is like fanfic-tier writing.

 

[LightDragonman1]

I guess I was more invested in seeing how the characters would survive and how their relationships would progress, so I was fine with the ending.

That’s the first time I’ve heard someone bring up the whole “cross Steins Gate” idea tbh. I thought the main goal of the story was to show the consequences of freely using time-travel, and how even setting right what was once wrong also came with downsides, all the while having a strong cast of likable characters, with a hero who actually develops.

I guess it all depends on what you are looking for, which can be the case for the entire medium.

 

[We Are The Witches]

I dislike anime itself

I can give you a good recommendation for you to watch, nothing obscure (very known actually), but if you don't know about it, you may enjoy it if you give it a chance.

There's obviously a lot of genres, and it depends on what you like, but it can have adult themes as well (not talking about erotic stuff). One of my favourite movies of all time happens to be anime, and it's due to the fact that I find beauty and inspiration in it, it doesn't have to pretend is deep.

 

[Endless Torment]

I always like these threads because it either shows how old people are or how much of a bubble they are in. This isn't the 90s or early 2000s people grew up watching anime and the average normal fag of any race has engaged with anime and manga nowadays.
While people may not be watching moe or slice of life people of all classes and races have watched the flavor of the month shows, popular ones, or whatever goes viral.

You need to get over your preconceived notions that anime is all kids shit or perverted as you have shit for kindergartens, the equivalent of newspaper comics, shit for women, teenage girls, gay, trans, boys, men, families, and so on. You are essentially crying about moves, music, or books while think only one genre of said thing exists.

 

[The_Gam3]

I always like these threads because it either shows how old people are or how much of a bubble they are in. This isn't the 90s or early 2000s people grew up watching anime and the average normal fag of any race has engaged with anime and manga nowadays.
While people may not be watching moe or slice of life people of all classes and races have watched the flavor of the month shows, popular ones, or whatever goes viral.

You need to get over your preconceived notions that anime is all kids shit or perverted as you have shit for kindergartens, the equivalent of newspaper comics, shit for women, teenage girls, gay, trans, boys, men, families, and so on. You are essentially crying about moves, music, or books while think only one genre of said thing exists.

But but but , D-d-d-d Daddy Null said all anime was shiiiiiit!

 

[Endless Torment]

But but but , D-d-d-d Daddy Null said all anime was shiiiiiit!

He is stuck in the 2000s mindset and lived in the biggest bubble possible outside of America, in a country where he doesn't speak the language, has no coworkers, and his main interaction with anime is image boards and this site so he only sees the worst and most extreme aspects.
It's fine to hate anime, but acting like it's unpopular, evil, or only one kind of thing is ill informed.

 

[The_Gam3]

He is stuck in the 2000s mindset and lived in the biggest bubble possible outside of America, in a country where he doesn't speak the language, has no coworkers, and his main interaction with anime is image boards and this site so he only sees the worst and most extreme aspects.
It's fine to hate anime, but acting like it's unpopular, evil, or only one kind of thing is ill informed.

i think in his mind, V-tubers, coomers, gacha game fans and like shonen anime fans are all the same when that can't be further from the truth. I've met my own fair share of weird ass anime, gacha game and v-tuber fans in real life but you really have to go looking for them.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Anime is full of garbage tropes and perverted bullshit meant to appeal to either pedos or shutins. With a number of exceptions you can count on one hand, every comedy/slice of life anime is pure slop brainrot. Even anime that's not slice of life is full of perverted fanservice or overexplaining shit.

People will stay sturgeons law, but I don't think it applies, anime is uniquely shit in a way capeshit and western brain slop isn't. Its almost like its shit by design, because all the things in it that are dogshit (like the nonstop perversion and fanservice) are things the people watching it actively want instead of tolerate. Anime "tropes" are an active detriment in almost all cases.

The more anime strays from anime tropes the more likely it is to be good. Even the most prolific anime haters will admit that something like cowboy beebop or ghost in the shell are good, but that's because those are regular stories in the anime style instead of writen with the intent of being anime.

Perfect example of what I'm talking about, Violet Evergarden, an anime about a cyborg soldier with ptsd returning home from a 4 year war, sounds intresting right?

The catch being that the cyborg soldier with ptsd is a 12 year old girl, because the average anime fan won't watch something unless they can imagine themselves fucking the protagonist or being the protagonist.

 

[Raging Capybara]

anime is uniquely shit in a way capeshit and western brain slop isn't

Lmao, the cope.

It's impossible to get worse than Marvel and Disney, nigger. You can get the most ridiculous anime out there with 13 to girls as mega soldiers, Marvel shit will still be worse than that.

It's just cultural bias, bro. I'm a thirdie, for me, all entertainment is foreign, and I can assure you, there's no difference between American sludge and Nip sludge.

 

[The Lawgiver]

Most of the hate these last few years seems to be fake and gay politics team clout shit like the rest of everything has turned into which is unfortunate, especially with how it's coming from both sides and getting to the degree of the "ai" hysteria shit in some cases. There's actual criticism to be had with anime but it's criticism you could apply to media that isn't anime as well, and the genuine criticisms always get warped into fake and gay retardation tier shit. Sometimes it's just straight up braindead shit like "oh none of the main characters get killed off in this adventure story made to appeal to kids woha there's no stakes at all anime sucks" as if they were EVER going to kill off the main cast in a lighthearted adventure cartoon, or "oh no the sad music played at a sad part where a character died guys that's tricking you into feeling bad for fictional characters!!!!" as if nearly every piece of media doesn't do that already. It's so fucking lame I can't even properly criticize or talk about shit that's shit without people glomming all this extra shit on that's so fucking fake man. You are fucked any way you try to talk about anything these days, but anime is a special kind of retarded in terms of Internet talk.

EDIT FOR FURTHER CONTEXT CAUSE REMEMBERED SOME SHIT: Even before all that, anime review people were fucking retarded and degenerate which didn't help. They'd parrot each others opinions too. so you end up with stuff like the old sonic anime movie being treated as "incomprehensible" because like the bennet the sage guy said in his review that made no sense and was impossible to follow, when it's literally straight up just a saturday morning tier plot of "oh the president and his daughter are being held hostage in a comical manner by robotnik who's making sonic go on some wild goose chase as an excuse to trick him into helping him make metal sonic". That's the whole plot. That's it, I completely understood that as a kid but somehow adult media review people back in the early-mid 2000s could not, or simply refused to grasp a simple fucking "are you a bad enough dude" type of plot.

This might have come out garbled but I have to stay awake despite running on no sleep right now.

I see the same reasonable answer across the board. If Japanese anime cut out the creepy gooner retard-shit it would be trustable. I've seen headlines for a Chinese movie called Nezha 2 breaking records in animation box office sales upon theater release world-wide; showing up even the likes of Pixar. From seeing the trailer alone I wonder why there aren't more fighting-oriented animated action movies for all ages just like this, you know? I can understand the appeal of even a series like Naruto on the western audience but even then it's had suspicious shit when I watched it as a teen. There is no excuse and Japan will be left behind while China takes over the medium world-wide if they don't learn to knock that shit off.

He doesn't know about the pregnancy river lmao.
don't tell him about the pregnancy riiver DON'T TELL HIM ABOUT THE CHINESE PREGNANCY RIVER

 

[Jex]

I preferred when anime was something that weebs on/a/ talked about and nobody irl would bring it up.

 

[The Lawgiver]

I preferred when anime was something that weebs on/a/ talked about and nobody irl would bring it up.

people were bringing it up IRL before /a/ existed lmao, shit's been brought over to the US since like the 60s.

Like seriously nigga did you forget SPEED RACER?

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Lmao, the cope.

It's impossible to get worse than Marvel and Disney, nigger. You can get the most ridiculous anime out there with 13 to girls as mega soldiers, Marvel shit will still be worse than that.

It's just cultural bias, bro. I'm a thirdie, for me, all entertainment is foreign, and I can assure you, there's no difference between American sludge and Nip sludge.

Marvel is shit because writers are incompetent. Anime is shit by design. That's the difference.

 

[Jex]

people were bringing it up IRL before /a/ existed lmao, shit's been brought over to the US since like the 60s.

Like seriously nigga did you forget SPEED RACER?

When I was going to school liking anime was a bullyable offence, the one weird Indian in the school kid got shitcanned because he couldn’t shut up about Lucky Star (he was probably a protopedo looking back at it). This was back in 2008 when the go to rec was code geass and death note and you had nobody to talk to about it outside of online boards and forums.

 

[skykiii]

Marvel is shit because writers are incompetent. Anime is shit by design. That's the difference.

The funny thing is I kind of agree.

Japan apparently has a culture where they don't value originality, but actually consider it a good thing if something is derivative because that's "respecting tradition" or the Monomyth or whatever.

Maybe I've been fed a load of BS but what I hear a lot is that they don't think about the logic of the story but how much the story evokes classical ideas. I don't know if someone like Tolkien could ever have been a product of Japanese culture since his whole thing was "I don't see why stories with these elements can't exist." Anime only does that when an outsider does it first--a lot of the eighties and nineties anime and manga we love so much were inspired by western-produced films, and even Osamu Tezuka--the closest Japan ever had to a Tolkien--was into a lot of western media like pulp sci-fi novels and comics.

 

[The Lawgiver]

When I was going to school liking anime was a bullyable offence, the one weird Indian in the school kid got shitcanned because he couldn’t shut up about Lucky Star (he was probably a protopedo looking back at it). This was back in 2008 when the go to rec was code geass and death note and you had nobody to talk to about it outside of online boards and forums.

I don't get what the fuck this reframing of history where the only place to talk about anime was online was lmao. Still though speaking of online stuff Lucky star was really popular back in 08 in particular and there were a ton of meme remixes of it either posted to or reuploaded to youtube. Technically those still get made of media in general to this day.

Spoiler: COGNITOHAZARD TYPE SHITPOST

a lot of the eighties and nineties anime and manga we love so much were inspired by western-produced films, and even Osamu Tezuka--the closest Japan ever had to a Tolkien--was into a lot of western media like pulp sci-fi novels and comics.

A shitload of western media does this same thing. This is really just how stories and shit work in general, which is why things like the "heroes journey" thing came into being as a descriptor of a really common story structure. hell in the 2000s and early 2010s you had a weird trend of a ton of live action western shows and movies blatantly copying japanese anime movies from the prior 2 decades. It's a really well established movie trivia thing at this point too.

What I do miss though is how there used to be a lot more back and forth between various countries making stuff in terms of inspiration. Now we're in a weird state where the US is pumping out uninspired reboot "subversion" shit and megacorps keep conglomerating into an amorphous mass, and Japan has it's own realm of issues, but the only times they seem to overlap anymore isn't in a natural way but instead when californian corpos act as a middleman to make retarded changes for "modern/western audiences". That's been a problem for a while with import media in general but with how popular asian stuff is with westerners it's especially noticable there.