I Worked On A Right Friendly Social Media Network. It Unsurprisingly Crashed And Burned Immediately.

He just didn't want more violence-posters who would get the glowing ones breathing down his neck. During the last days of the Trump administration, TheDonald was full of people talking about things like murder. Right wing social media refugees would have been likely to bring that kind of behavior with them.

Right, but that also goes with the whole inviting in false-flaggers and fedposters which I mentioned earlier. More importantly, most of these people (good or bad) would join the moshpit of the Deep Thoughts/A&H/etc. threads and fight with commies and China shills, not actually spend time at the lolcow or non-political forums.
 
You can't 'use the lefts tactics' against them.
Define "the left's tactics". Your commentary overall is salient, but I figure there's a difference between tactics that the left employs and tactics that the left employs as they're its natural outgrowths.

To contextualize: I'm currently reading (almost finished, really) Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", and have come to the conclusion that the concept of the "radical" or a "revolutionary" has everything to do with opposition to the status quo rather than a specific ideology. Of what he's written that I've read thus far, I reckon that the only principle of his that couldn't be employed by the right is "using the rules of the Haves against them" (because the current Haves lack shame and worry about neither consistency from sentence to sentence nor adherence to law). In general, you wouldn't be able to use the left's tactics against them if said tactics involves control of an institution (e.g. higher ed, news media) they have complete control of.
 
Define "the left's tactics". Your commentary overall is salient, but I figure there's a difference between tactics that the left employs and tactics that the left employs as they're its natural outgrowths.

To contextualize: I'm currently reading (almost finished, really) Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals", and have come to the conclusion that the concept of the "radical" or a "revolutionary" has everything to do with opposition to the status quo rather than a specific ideology. Of what he's written that I've read thus far, I reckon that the only principle of his that couldn't be employed by the right is "using the rules of the Haves against them" (because the current Haves lack shame and worry about neither consistency from sentence to sentence nor adherence to law). In general, you wouldn't be able to use the left's tactics against them if said tactics involves control of an institution (e.g. higher ed, news media) they have complete control of.
Anything that invopves shaming in their spheres, or using institutions they control yeah. Calling out hypocritcal acts; or debating them has zero practical value against them because they really don't care. You can use examples of their actions to sway people who are neutral though.

Rules for radicals has been on my reading list for a while now. Any good?
 
is this about kiwifarms? i think those evil people there hate brown people and love israel---
 
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Anything that invopves shaming in their spheres, or using institutions they control yeah. Calling out hypocritcal acts; or debating them has zero practical value against them because they really don't care. You can use examples of their actions to sway people who are neutral though.

Rules for radicals has been on my reading list for a while now. Any good?

Horrible thumbnail for a very good and relevant discussion.


I forget which of the two videos mentions Rules for Radicals, but those two videos and others from the same channels go through an extensive reading list of the ideology that is fueling the Left that this thread has been discussing.

For those who don't feel like watching two hour plus long videos the book is described as being quaint and outdated. More of interest for historical insight than what the Left has moved on to for their tactics.
 
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Anything that invopves shaming in their spheres, or using institutions they control yeah. Calling out hypocritcal acts; or debating them has zero practical value against them because they really don't care. You can use examples of their actions to sway people who are neutral though.

Rules for radicals has been on my reading list for a while now. Any good?
I certainly think it's a good read-- it's rather insightful, particularly if you don't have a fully developed sense of enacting social change through community action beyond "it's worked in the past with the civil rights activists and hmmmrmmmfmmm".

It's absolutely asinine how there's even a rash of books attempting to "counter" the strategies and principles described in the book instead of just adapting them for their own purposes however they can. He hasn't helped everyone as if to generate polarization for its own sake, but the guy's taught his skills to a broad range of people, including Catholic priests and Protestant ministers. Alinsky, at least in writing the book at hand, is more concerned with tactics and pertinent considerations than he is with ideology, so the tactics are ideologically agnostic (and at least conceivably usable) as long as you seek to disrupt the status quo.
 
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Anything that invopves shaming in their spheres, or using institutions they control yeah. Calling out hypocritcal acts; or debating them has zero practical value against them because they really don't care. You can use examples of their actions to sway people who are neutral though.

Rules for radicals has been on my reading list for a while now. Any good?
Rules for Radicals is kind of a cult of personality surrounding Saul Alinsky, and his claims are very skeptical, but as far as technique is concerned, it's probably relevant to the modern political landscape (it's been used by both those on the left as well as adapted by some activist groups on the right who believe it's an effective methodology).
 
Rules for radicals has been on my reading list for a while now. Any good?
It's useful to understand. Can be a bit risky. They are somewhat satanic. I don't particularly say that from a christian viewpoint. I mean that they contain the root of their own destruction. They are methods of tearing stuff down. They're completely without conscience and when you turn them into habits, you'll become someone who tears down not only others, but also the self.

Sargon for example is someone who took rules for radicals to heart until it tore him down.
 
Like I have implied earlier on, the "report" button is often used and abused in order for one group to have dominance and to control the Overton window. If there was a way in which the "report" button could only be used for things that were actually fucking illegal and antisocial (such as you know what), we wouldn't be seeing this dynamic in play. The current paradigm has the administration of websites cater to those who whine too much, akin to "the squeakiest wheel gets the most grease".
Maybe if there was punishment for frivolous reports, "wasting the police's time" kind of thing. Also, greater transparency as to mod decisions, some kind of publicly available registry that people could also vote on. Right now moderators are unstoppable without administrators getting off their asses and doing something about them, which doesn't happen. Democracy doesn't actually exist on any platform for actually important decisions, kind of like real life.
 
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Maybe if there was punishment for frivolous reports, "wasting the police's time" kind of thing. Also, greater transparency as to mod decisions, some kind of publicly available registry that people could also vote on. Right now moderators are unstoppable without administrators getting off their asses and doing something about them, which doesn't happen. Democracy doesn't actually exist on any platform for actually important decisions, kind of like real life.
Oh hell yes. Imagine a forum where if you get caught making a false report that the mods reverse, you lose the ability to make posts for a week. And if you get caught making a false report three times, or organizing a mass flagging campaign, you permanently lose your ability to report, like, or repost anything. Your account wouldn't be deleted and you could still post, but you'd be unable to not only suppress other people's ideas, but to boost the ideas of people you agree with. A system that's stacked against flaggots instead of the reverse.

Still somewhat exploitable with biased mods, but at least there'd be a framework for watching the self-appointed watchmen.
 
Elaborate on that.
It's years ago, but I remember Sargon saying how good a book it was and how useful.

If you combine two of the 8 or so precepts of rules for radicals is to find the intersection of what's fun (for your crowd) and what's effective at tearing down the opposition.

The difference between the audience rules for radicals was written for, a leftist audience that had intellectual leadership deciding who the enemies and targets were, and Sargon, internet famous skeptic breadtuber, who besides feminists, didn't really know who his enemies were.

He ended up using the same dishonest and chaotic tactics against his former idol, jim, for example.

Following Rules for radicals is a bit like funding terrorists in a country. It'll certainly upset the current order. But it doesn't really help to build anything.

Here's the vid. But he also talked about this afterwards plenty of times in other videos, so it was clearly percolating in his mind.

 
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Of what he's written that I've read thus far, I reckon that the only principle of his that couldn't be employed by the right is "using the rules of the Haves against them" (because the current Haves lack shame and worry about neither consistency from sentence to sentence nor adherence to law).
You can use that, its what we here call "out-left the left"

The problem is that the altright its borderline retarded and cant do stuff like talking the black supremacists about how the white liberals are using them/fucking them over because they cant stop dropping "nigger" during a convo for 5 fucking minutes

The real nazis were, despite what the postwar propaganda says, full of intellectuals, they had fucking Heidegger among their ranks FFS. Meanwhile the altright is like "big words are for fags!". Not that the far-left isnt full of borderline retards but at least they pretend they arent retarded, you get where I'm going?
 
Ehh... As far as I understsnd it (correct mr if I'm wrong)

A commercial SN platform

Marketed on free speech and minimal moderation

Shitposting is from right, not from left

Community moderator positions get infested by lefties

Solution:

Paid full time jannies with strict guidelines. Basically, spam and cp only. Let the tards shitpost.

Either no community mods, or have them heavily policed by said paid jannies. Cp and spam only, any political partisanship and you're out.
 
Out left the left won't work for a large amount of reasons.

The end goal of the right is to degrade the lefts ability to force their will upon others.

That requires a different set of tactics then what the left uses
 
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