I'm getting too old for this shit.

[FluffyTehFennekin]

Don’t leave, Josh! I love this site!

 

[Battlecruiser3000ad]

Damn, I didn't even check the 230 thread, didn't know it was such a shitshow. Taking a break and/or yeeting politics could help. Just don't let this whole thing break you, no gay forum is worth that.

 

[JoshPlz]

You are a good boy, Josh. You deserve all the happiness.

There has been a lot of good advice posted here already. I hope you find some of it helpful.

 

[DubbleBubble]

While I'm one of the newer active users, I do remember checking out the chris chan wiki way back and occasionally peeking in but not interacting before things got big. I'll agree with Josh's statement of the "womens" section of the forum is strangely more comfy and relaxing to post and interact in than the rest of the Farms these days. Maybe just because every dumb fun discussion about stupid people doing stupid things doesn't immediately get derailed by politics or race realism or whatever.

I guess it's a weird necessary evolution that happened? The Internet has become less and less free over the years. People can't say what they really mean on any social media platform if its unpopular, hell you can't even hurt peoples feelings in online video games these days without getting banned. So with nowhere else to go they all just gravitated here because the Farms is sort of an island, floating all alone for freedom of expression without consequence.

Is that good or bad? I don't know. The Internet needs a place like this, that isnt total anarchy shitposting but at the same time isnt so controlled you can only use middle age soccer mom code language to communicate safely. But I see the problem that because everyone with non mainstream political views comes here, the site has sort of devolved into.. well the same politically charged nightmare as everywhere else, but on the other end of the horseshoe.

I think Mr. Moon is a stand up leader, and I enjoy the streams and what he's made. But it sure would be nice to just bullshit about dumb things without every twitter/reddit reject dropping their manifesto on white genocide or THE JEWS.

I can understand just washing your hands clean of it, but it would be a great loss and leave a gaping hole of fun and freedom in the Internet. Imperfect as it is, I think Josh built something that has impacted quite a few lives and if anything left its own little footprint in people's minds and maybe history.

 

[NSJAP]

Made type of donations that will give user something on the forum. I heard from you that on SA you can paid to force to change someone's avatar for a time. Something like this.

Also, maybe ask TRS about ways they still having a payment processor.

 

[UtadaWasabi]

So will Josh document his own Love Quest for Sweetheart from the Ground-Up?

 

[Ligoskj]

It became abundantly clear that almost every single user who joined in 2019 and 2020 would gladly throw this site and everything I have ever done under the bus

I'm sorry, but right here you are basically shitting on your own fanbase with this undue bias. Some of the newbies can obviously be dumb, but not every one of them wants your website to die. Most of them maybe don't give a damn about politics and lowcows and just discussing here more neutral topics like video games or movies (and no, their personal apathy has nothing to do with someone's desire to destroy your website either), as many users see Kiwi Farms as the leftover of Web 1.0.
As for the rest of your post, I understand your complaints and I hope that everything will be fine with Kiwi Farms, even if in the future you have more serious things to do.

 

[Xarpho]

I know how you feel...actually I don't as despite being in a similar position (late 20s, no relationships, shitty job and/or insecure finances) I'm not being hunted down by insane people.

My takes?

- You're right, Kiwi Farms is not the hill to die on.
- I don't care that you said anything bad about Trump and Section 230, you could be a die-hard leftist for all I'm concerned with, all I want is an Internet forum where I'm not shouted down, banned, or censored for saying anything less than flattering about women, LGBT people, non-whites, Jews, and the disabled, even if it is a flippant hot take. That is surprisingly hard to find on most communities.
- I agree about the end of true lolcows. YouTube's changes of policies mean that the community that developed around Chris would've never happened. And yeah, there's always the discussions about trannies, but at the end of the day, they're interchangeable and you can fill out bingo sheets with them. Anime? Shitty home life? Previously broken relationships? Autistic? Hates Trump? I can't think of any one tranny that is actually unique and stands above the rest, except maybe Brianna Wu, and all "she" does is make Twitter posts, instead of stomping around in front of a camera.

While I don't like the idea of Kiwi Farms dying, it is going to be the beginning of the end of you let a union of mods take over. It will have a reasonable beginning, but the end result is the mods will eventually promote their friends, and ultimately run the site like tyrants, going with a culture they choose, and crushing dissent.

If that happens, then Kiwi Farms might as well be archived and locked, as it will lose the last semblance of the site I joined, and there have been sites like that, so far divorced from when I joined, that I might as well not be a member. Luckily, Kiwi Farms has not reached that point, though I still do wish it was the site again when I joined in 2014. I find myself drawn to the A&H board (or whatever it's called now) more than anything these days, something I hate myself for doing. Most of the other activities on the site I enjoyed doing, like hearing Connor sperg about his novel he was writing, getting updates on Chris post-fire (and the trash dug up), or catching up on Jace's latest escapades, has been dead for years.

It also doesn't help that I've been slowly retracting from other communities that have gone astray, shut down, or otherwise just aren't fun anymore, and it hurts that a large part of my Internet life is on an empire in decline. Maybe I too could find what I'm looking for and leave behind KF. But that hasn't happened yet, and I'm not ready yet.

 

[Pomme Poire Peche]

Thanks null. I feel it every day and if it wasn't a waste of your time I would send you constant emails saying how much I value you and this community. This place has changed my life and the way I approach the world and I am truly grateful.

Family is the best, I hope you get everything you need.

 

[Fully Eshay Skits Bruh v2]

The gunt has broken Josh's seals, Josh is finally woke!

 

[Witthel]

And to add to what I said earlier, I remember posting on EDF2 all the back in either 2015-2016 but eventually quitting due to how toxic and unapproachable it was*

But when I discovered the farms it had what attracted me to EDF2, mainly being a place where I could freely post whatever I had on my mind without fear of being fucked over and banned by trigger-happy staff, except that it was an actual community instead of a shit-caked asylum filled with lunatics and I loved it.

Now EDF2 is a putrefied corpse of its former self, and now there's a distinct possibility that kiwifarms may be going down the same road, I guess this is all proof that nothing good lasts forever.

*The only hard rule they had was don't post CP.

 

[Rotollo]

Well, that was alot to digest Null, very interesting. despite not joining in that era you mentioned that fucked the site (2019-2020 was it), I still consider myself a relative new fag in the grand scheme of things so I kinda wanna give my take respectfully.
to the three questions you pose I just have to repeat what everyone else has said, you do you. Null if one thing has been shown from your years with the farms its your resilient to your goals, just stick a line and go in it.
as for ecelebs being a cancer center on the site, I get why you are talking about it considering Dick, PPP and all was a crap shoot, but shit like say the mumkey stuff was pretty good just for how out of left field that went. I think when it comes to e-celeb discussion spoony summarizes the two directions it can go, it's either a loging a long past prime creator, lamenting over the lack of content of what was once there, or it's just going along for the ride.
As for 230, I think alot of the posters advocating for getting it removed just don't understand it that much, now I don't think it's doom and gloom either but trusting the FCC to do anything right when they fucked TV and made it crap is overly optimistic.
Either way there are two things I cant thank you enough for, Mad at the Internet was truly good shit man, your internal knowledge when it comes to these internet weirdos is second to none which makes it probably the best podcasts of that format. And weirdly enough, the games section on kiwi has been the best place I have been to discuss vidya in a long ass time which is just bizarre as it could of easily become rightwing resetera but the most annoying shit I have seen is some console warring.
anyway I hope that last section did not come off as too fellating to your ego, just stay safe and thanks for this Josh for however long it lasts.

 

[haurchefant]

A website does not have to be a person's life work and if you want to archive and shelve KF that wouldn't be the worst thing. However you also sound mentally ill/depressed, and imo at least you're not taking care of yourself which means you're not making good decisions right now.

Wanting a family is not a bad thing and I encourage you to go in that direction, many of us are. Just try to seek some help someway before you do anything major.

 

[TheShedCollector]

Infinitely long sperging hidden in the spoiler tag.

Spoiler

Null.

I apologize in advance for the essay length response. If you aren't able to read all of what I have to say, that's fine. I'll just start by saying thank you for the work you've done creating and maintaining the Kiwi Farms. I think you've done a stellar job building a thriving community in the face of a level of adversity that no other website owner before you has faced.

I love your site. I've been lurking for years but only very recently started posting after getting so fucking angry looking at normal people and the stupid inane bullshit they endlessly post on Facebook. Constantly posting the same mind numbing bullshit about their stupid fucking kids, or their stupid pyramid scheme make up business, or their fucking terrible DJ mix / iPhone video of their shit band playing in a shithole bar, or their stupid fucking dog or worst of all, their stupid fucking political opinion. Endless shitting on the other side while never even questioning their own sides obvious failings. Shitting on any of them resulted in Karens complaining to Facebook. Endless fragility from people who just want to shit out their stupid fucking opinion onto the internet and be surrounded by agreement, likes, shares and all the validation that comes with it.

The truth of it is, this is a universal experience across age, gender, political affiliation, race or any other characteristic you could name. I don't give a fuck what you stupid right-wing fuckers say, the overwhelming majority whine and moan and complain to the manager just as hard as the snowflakes on the left you like to endlessly mock. You are all just as bad as the left, none of you give a fuck about actual freedom of speech.

This simply doesn't happen on Kiwi Farms. It's by far the best place on the internet to read about stuff that's actually interesting,

It's a strange relationship that exists between us. I feel like I've known you for years. I've watched your videos, read your forum posts, and I've watched thousands of times people try to fuck with you but every single time, no matter how big the obstacle in front of you, a great big middle finger goes up and Josh smashes through the barrier stronger than before on the other side. You don't need me to remind you of your CV, it's fucking remarkable. I feel like I've got a reasonable idea of who you are as a person. But to you, I'm just a username and avatar in a list of thousands. Not even one that's been around long or contributed anything significant to Kiwi Farms. So I'm going to tell you a little story about who I am, just to try and put what I'm about to say in some kind of context.

Right now, I'm in my early thirties. Engaged to the most fantastic woman I've ever known, and while we're not trying right now to have a family, we both agree that we want it and it's not going to be too long until we start trying. My career is a bit stunted due to a few previous fuck ups on my behalf meaning I've had to change career three times already, always starting at the bottom and needing to start over training each time. Right now I'm on my way to a very lucrative career where I will be able to live and work literally anywhere in the entire world. Although I'm not rich right now, I'm certainly not poor either. Through nothing more than luck, I was able to buy my nice suburban 2 bedroom middle class home with no mortgage and right now my third round trainee pay cheques are keeping food on my table, heat in my home, a good used car in my driveway and a slowly increasing balance in my savings account.

My first girlfriend was a fat little troll. I hated her. She was a morbidly obese, dope smoking, wrist cutting, college drop out, endlessly attached to her best friend. A rake thin, dope smoking, wrist cutting college drop out. I began dating her because I was 21 year old virgin and she let me have sex with her.

I dated her for 3 years despite making up my mind 4 months in that I wanted to get rid of her. I allowed myself to keep her around for 32 more months of misery because I was young, and I was too much of a pussy to do what I wanted to do. I was looking at the time I'd spent, the money I'd spent, the easy access to sex. I knew that my happiness that was worth more than what I'd invested in this troll, but I still kept her around for another 2.5 years of misery.

Long story short, I'd made up my mind as to what I wanted, and I was too much of a bitch to do anything about it.

It sounds to me that you have made up your mind about what you want to do, but you're making excuses in your head as to why you shouldn't. If one of your objectives in life is to have a family, the good news is because you're a man, you're in the prime spot in your life to do something about it.

It is absolutely OK to be selfish. You can't look after other people if you can't look after yourself. You need to look our for your own best interests, because nobody else is going to do it for you. Nobody on this earth right now truly gives a shit about you. There's probably a hundred people in this thread saying shit like "Oh come talk to me any time if you need it". It's fucking bullshit. That's not giving a shit about someone. None of those people truly give a shit about you.

Would any of those people let you stay at their house because you have nowhere else to go? No? They don't care about you.
Would any of those people go with you to a hospital appointment because otherwise you would be on your own? No? They don't care about you.
Would any of those people get up at 3am to feed your baby because you have to go to work at 8am? No? They don't care about you.

The only people in the world who would make those kinds of sacrifices for you, are your mother, father, and wife. And I would never expect my mother or father to do any of those things.

It is perfectly fine to say, "I can't do this any more, I have to make some money." Plenty of men do it all the time. They are young and ideological, then they get to their thirties and want to have families. It happens all the time.

Is there EVER any possibility of KF, NP2, streaming etc ever turning enough of a profit for you to retire? Are you in a position to buy yourself a home? Will your current line of work and hobbies ever turn that around? Are you going to be able to build up a savings account to cover any large unplanned expenses? Even if you were to keep at it forever more, everyone knows NP2 is a huge target for people who want to fuck with you. It's just a matter of time until it dies. Dick Masterson doesn't have the intelligence or the motivation to truly make a reliable alternative to Patreon. If he really cared about NP2, why after two years is he still using a cut 'n' paste "Terms & Conditions" section? Why has he not paid a lawyer to write his own, after 2 years of NP2? What do you think the mother of your children is going to say when she tries to buy food at the supermarket but her debit card gets declined because some blue haired internet fatass successfully shut down your source of income, and that your only significant source of income was on a system made by an alcoholic, podcasting comedian?

Having a family, inherently requires a woman, and you need one that will stick around. I can't imagine any woman with a legitimate interest in being a good mother hanging around long if their man is in a never ending knife fight with a never ending stream of crazy people trying to destroy their lives.

Your accomplishments with the Kiwi Farms have proven your character. I think people of good character are the ones who succeed in life, no matter what they try to do.

Don't rule out completely distancing yourself from Kiwi Farms. For what my advice is worth, I'd suggest giving it some serious consideration. If in the coming few weeks you manage to figure out how to get what you want, be happy and keep your association with Kiwi Farms going then that's great. Just don't immediately rule out moving away from the Kiwi Farms. Reading what you've said today, it looks to me like distancing yourself from the Kiwi Farms would probably be one of the easiest things to do to bring you much closer to what you want.

You don't owe me, or anyone else here anything. You never have owed anyone here anything. Don't be afraid of recognizing the Kiwi Farms as being detrimental to your life. And despite the enormity of the work you've put in, if you need to, don't be afraid to break it off.

Don't be a bitch who suffers in misery, knowing what he wants to do but failing to actually do it. Especially when what you want to do is the easiest thing in the world to do.

If you've read this far, thank you. I hope you manage to figure out what will bring you happiness and what you are going to do to achieve it.

Best of luck.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Even if you leave and this site turns into S.A. 2.0, someone will make a new one. Kiwifarms as is and as was are site niches that thousands of users want filled. It would take like 2-4 years of chaos perhaps to get things off the ground, but its possible.

Get outta here null, take a break. If you come back we'll be here, if you don't it's our fault if we run the site into the ground (if). Get some air, have fun you dumbass cunt.

You say this isnt the end of kiwifarms/site closure, but if it is, this is one of the best and most wholesome reasons to close.

 

[JackDonaghysSecretLover]

Oh for christ's sake, buck up, kid. 30 isn't the end, it's the beginning. You're still incredibly young. Get a girlfriend. Go out. Have fun. Take consulting gigs. Do a legal name change if this shit drags you down. There's nothing holding you back from having everything you want but you.

Youth is wasted on the young, I swear.

- signed An Old

Yes! As I was reading this I could empathize with Null re: that late 20s slump, but now in my 40s I think: oh honey no... there's so much more out there. I'd kill to be 28 again.

Edit: and yes! Please give ample notice if this is to shut down. The age of yeh lolcow may be dead for a lot of subjects here, but not others. Do you think Sammy Bushart understands and knows how to capitalize on being a cow? Absolutely not.

 

[DecimatedFerret]

Null.

I apologize in advance for the essay length response. If you aren't able to read all of what I have to say, that's fine. I'll just start by saying thank you for the work you've done creating and maintaining the Kiwi Farms. I think you've done a stellar job building a thriving community in the face of a level of adversity that no other website owner before you has faced.

I love your site. I've been lurking for years but only very recently started posting after getting so fucking angry looking at normal people and the stupid inane bullshit they endlessly post on Facebook. Constantly posting the same mind numbing bullshit about their stupid fucking kids, or their stupid pyramid scheme make up business, or their fucking terrible DJ mix / iPhone video of their shit band playing in a shithole bar, or their stupid fucking dog or worst of all, their stupid fucking political opinion. Endless shitting on the other side while never even questioning their own sides obvious failings. Shitting on any of them resulted in Karens complaining to Facebook. Endless fragility from people who just want to shit out their stupid fucking opinion onto the internet and be surrounded by agreement, likes, shares and all the validation that comes with it.

The truth of it is, this is a universal experience across age, gender, political affiliation, race or any other characteristic you could name. I don't give a fuck what you stupid right-wing fuckers say, the overwhelming majority whine and moan and complain to the manager just as hard as the snowflakes on the left you like to endlessly mock. You are all just as bad as the left, none of you give a fuck about actual freedom of speech.

This simply doesn't happen on Kiwi Farms. It's by far the best place on the internet to read about stuff that's actually interesting,

It's a strange relationship that exists between us. I feel like I've known you for years. I've watched your videos, read your forum posts, and I've watched thousands of times people try to fuck with you but every single time, no matter how big the obstacle in front of you, a great big middle finger goes up and Josh smashes through the barrier stronger than before on the other side. You don't need me to remind you of your CV, it's fucking remarkable. I feel like I've got a reasonable idea of who you are as a person. But to you, I'm just a username and avatar in a list of thousands. Not even one that's been around long or contributed anything significant to Kiwi Farms. So I'm going to tell you a little story about who I am, just to try and put what I'm about to say in some kind of context.

Right now, I'm in my early thirties. Engaged to the most fantastic woman I've ever known, and while we're not trying right now to have a family, we both agree that we want it and it's not going to be too long until we start trying. My career is a bit stunted due to a few previous fuck ups on my behalf meaning I've had to change career three times already, always starting at the bottom and needing to start over training each time. Right now I'm on my way to a very lucrative career where I will be able to live and work literally anywhere in the entire world. Although I'm not rich right now, I'm certainly not poor either. Through nothing more than luck, I was able to buy my nice suburban 2 bedroom middle class home with no mortgage and right now my third round trainee pay cheques are keeping food on my table, heat in my home, a good used car in my driveway and a slowly increasing balance in my savings account.

My first girlfriend was a fat little troll. I hated her. She was a morbidly obese, dope smoking, wrist cutting, college drop out, endlessly attached to her best friend. A rake thin, dope smoking, wrist cutting college drop out. I began dating her because I was 21 year old virgin and she let me have sex with her.

I dated her for 3 years despite making up my mind 4 months in that I wanted to get rid of her. I allowed myself to keep her around for 32 more months of misery because I was young, and I was too much of a pussy to do what I wanted to do. I was looking at the time I'd spent, the money I'd spent, the easy access to sex. I knew that my happiness that was worth more than what I'd invested in this troll, but I still kept her around for another 2.5 years of misery.

Long story short, I'd made up my mind as to what I wanted, and I was too much of a bitch to do anything about it.

It sounds to me that you have made up your mind about what you want to do, but you're making excuses in your head as to why you shouldn't. If one of your objectives in life is to have a family, the good news is because you're a man, you're in the prime spot in your life to do something about it.

It is absolutely OK to be selfish. You can't look after other people if you can't look after yourself. You need to look our for your own best interests, because nobody else is going to do it for you. Nobody on this earth right now truly gives a shit about you. There's probably a hundred people in this thread saying shit like "Oh come talk to me any time if you need it". It's fucking bullshit. That's not giving a shit about someone. None of those people truly give a shit about you.

Would any of those people let you stay at their house because you have nowhere else to go? No? They don't care about you.
Would any of those people go with you to a hospital appointment because otherwise you would be on your own? No? They don't care about you.
Would any of those people get up at 3am to feed your baby because you have to go to work at 8am? No? They don't care about you.

The only people in the world who would make those kinds of sacrifices for you, are your mother, father, and wife. And I would never expect my mother or father to do any of those things.

It is perfectly fine to say, "I can't do this any more, I have to make some money." Plenty of men do it all the time. They are young and ideological, then they get to their thirties and want to have families. It happens all the time.

Is there EVER any possibility of KF, NP2, streaming etc ever turning enough of a profit for you to retire? Are you in a position to buy yourself a home? Will your current line of work and hobbies ever turn that around? Are you going to be able to build up a savings account to cover any large unplanned expenses? Even if you were to keep at it forever more, everyone knows NP2 is a huge target for people who want to fuck with you. It's just a matter of time until it dies. Dick Masterson doesn't have the intelligence or the motivation to truly make a reliable alternative to Patreon. If he really cared about NP2, why after two years is he still using a cut 'n' paste "Terms & Conditions" section? Why has he not paid a lawyer to write his own, after 2 years of NP2? What do you think the mother of your children is going to say when she tries to buy food at the supermarket but her debit card gets declined because some blue haired internet fatass successfully shut down your source of income, and that your only significant source of income was on a system made by an alcoholic, podcasting comedian?

Having a family, inherently requires a woman, and you need one that will stick around. I can't imagine any woman with a legitimate interest in being a good mother hanging around long if their man is in a never ending knife fight with a never ending stream of crazy people trying to destroy their lives.

Your accomplishments with the Kiwi Farms have proven your character. I think people of good character are the ones who succeed in life, no matter what they try to do.

Don't rule out completely distancing yourself from Kiwi Farms. For what my advice is worth, I'd suggest giving it some serious consideration. If in the coming few weeks you manage to figure out how to get what you want, be happy and keep your association with Kiwi Farms going then that's great. Just don't immediately rule out moving away from the Kiwi Farms. Reading what you've said today, it looks to me like distancing yourself from the Kiwi Farms would probably be one of the easiest things to do to bring you much closer to what you want.

You don't owe me, or anyone else here anything. You never have owed anyone here anything. Don't be afraid of recognizing the Kiwi Farms as being detrimental to your life. And despite the enormity of the work you've put in, if you need to, don't be afraid to break it off.

Don't be a bitch who suffers in misery, knowing what he wants to do but failing to actually do it. Especially when what you want to do is the easiest thing in the world to do.

If you've read this far, thank you. I hope you manage to figure out what will bring you happiness and what you are going to do to achieve it.

Best of luck.

Jc at least spoiler your long ass sperging.

 

[Dank Wankula]

Sometimes it's hard to let go, but sometimes you have to.
And it sounds like you really want to let go, null.

It's alright. We'll still be out there somewhere, even if there's nowhere left to gather.

 

[CWCissey]

I totally understand how you feel @Null I'm at the same point in my life and if anything, I don't think this fucking pestilence has helped.

I think just taking a few months off of here can help, maybe a pet of some kind too (not fish). The mods here tend to be pretty cool and can run the place fine in your absence.

And I do know what you mean about the site, it's certainly less fun now than it was around the time of Jace. Only thing really keeping me here is a couple of my fellow oldfags whom I like talking to that have hung on.

 

[nekrataal]

This place is one of the best places on the internet and I can’t thank you enough for it. I regret not joining sooner after lurking for as long as I was after being brought here by a personal lolcow I had been watching for a long time.

I know if the site goes down a lot of speds will celebrate but none of them will have really won anything or gotten anything over any of us here as a community, much less having one over on you. This site could sink tomorrow and they’d still be troons, groomers, sex pests and pedophiles, spergs and speds. They’ll still be broken and hollow shells of the people they are. This site being taken down won’t change that they’re still going to be awful people, that they’re still going to broadcast their fuckery onto the internet.

In the end whatever you decide to do there will still always be people who appreciate sites like this.