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India is trying to become the new factory of the world, but it could take more than a global pandemic to unseat China from its 40-year reign​


India's vying for a piece of China's pie in higher end manufacturing.Sajjad Hussain/AFP/Getty Images
  • China's zero-COVID policies are pushing companies to diversify supply chains away from the country.
  • They were already moving out due to geopolitical tensions and tariffs from the Trump era.
  • But it isn't easy to fully replace China's supply chain ecosystem in any country — even one as vast as India.
China's zero-COVID policy may just be doing what Donald Trump didn't manage to fully achieve during his term as president — shifting global supply chains away from China for the first time in 40 years.

In 2018 and 2019, Trump levied stiff tariffs against China to counter what he called unfair trade deals with the US, spurring retaliation from Beijing and kicking off a trade war.

And while many companies started discussing moving supply chains out of China as a way to distance themselves from geopolitical risks, it was really the pandemic — and China's zero-COVID policy — that drove home the importance of not depending on one country for its supply chain.

"The geopolitical tensions in themselves may not have resulted into this level of realignment of supply chains, but COVID certainly provided that extra vision extra fillip, the extra fuel to the fire," Ashutosh Sharma, a research director at market researcher Forrester, told Insider.

Tech giant Apple provides the latest example of being burned by an overreliance on Chinese production lines, with iPhone output hit by China's relentless zero-COVID pursuit. Apple is now speeding up its push to shift its production out of China to other Asian countries. But where to go?

Major Apple supplier Foxconn's top pick is India, and so is that of other chipmakers, after the Biden administration in October imposed export controls on shipping equipment to Chinese-owned factories making advanced logic chips.

"India has a large labor pool, a long history of manufacturing, and government support for boosting industry and exports. Because of this, many are exploring whether Indian manufacturing is a viable alternative to China," Julie Gerdeman, the CEO of supply chain risk management platform Everstream, told Insider.

But the move is easier said than done.

India is the world's largest democracy, and that makes decision-making a lot more complicated​

As a large economy with a young population, India has the potential to be a manufacturing powerhouse. But the South Asian country is also infamous for its bureaucracy and hindering red tape.

"It's far from a place where businesses can simply come in and open a shop without having too many company compliances," said Sharma, who is based in India. "I'm sure China has those issues too, but its ability to move fast on those compliance requirements is much higher than in India, because India is much more democratic and there are just too many stakeholders to satisfy here."

India came in at the 63rd position in a World Bank list of 190 countries ranked based on their ease of doing business in 2019. While this was an improvement from its position in the 142th position in 2014 when Prime Minister Narendra Modi took office — it still lagged behind China, which was in the 31st position in 2019 the last year the index was compiled before the World Bank discontinued it after a data rigging scandal. Data irregularities improved China's position in 2018, according to a World Bank audit published in December 2020.

India also has a history of protectionism, which makes it less competitive in terms of attracting large investments.

"China manufactures at scale, while most factories in India are small and midsize due to federal regulations and protections designed specifically for SMEs," said Gerdeman.

China has built a manufacturing ecosystem over 4 decades​

India's Prime Minister Modi has been working on attracting foreign direct investments, or FDI, since he took office in 2014, sending FDI to a record $83.6 billion in the last fiscal year, according to government data.

"India certainly has advantages in terms of demographics, in terms of geography, in terms of the infrastructure that exist, much of which has been built in the last few years," said Sharma. "It can obviously increase the scale, but what it does not have is all the pieces of the puzzle."

What he means is that China has managed to build up a value chain so extensive that almost everything required to make a product can be sourced and acquired in the country, which allows for low-cost manufacturing on a large scale. In contrast, India doesn't have this capability yet, which takes years to build up.

That's because manufacturers always start factory operations with the assembly line before starting to develop local supply lines for the finished products in a "backward integration" of processes, said Sharma.

"That supply chain takes time for it to build because even when you are sourcing it internally, the quality is not that good initially, your scale is not that high, and you run into those issues. So yes, it can be done, but it takes time," he told Insider.

Once burned, twice shy companies aren't going all in on India this time​

In any case, companies are unlikely to flock en masse to India like they did to China because it's just been proven too risky, the experts said.

And it's not just Foxconn and Apple that have gone all in on China and are now suffering for it: US sportswear giant Nike, Japanese carmaker Toyota, and South Korean tech titan Samsung all number among the many companies experiencing prolonged supply-chain issues because of their reliance on the manufacturing giant.

"They are looking to diversify their sourcing," said Sharma. "If you look at Foxconn and Apple, they have already moved a significant part of production to India and I'm sure to other countries like Vietnam, and a few other places. That's precisely because they want to diversify, from having dependency on one country, like China, to a couple of locations."

This means more complex supply chains, but they will be diversified all from raw material stages, he said.

"If they can build two or three dependable places where they can source from, they will still have alternative sources even if something happens to one location in the future," said Sharma.
 
Moving manufacture to India is just kicking the can down the road. It's going to play out the same way.
Anything for increased profit margins in the short term. The solution of course would for every western country with land to spare bringing all manufacturing they can back into their borders, as quickly as possible, but that doesn't pad out the bottom line.
 
Major Apple supplier Foxconn's top pick is India, and so is that of other chipmakers, after the Biden administration in October imposed export controls on shipping equipment to Chinese-owned factories making advanced logic chips.
Meanwhile, the outsourcing continues since most Americans are getting replaced with the new H1-B immigrants that will do the tech and engineering jobs for less.
 
One thing that would give India a much bigger shot for world-factory status is if they ditched their stupid caste system and let anybody pursue whatever work is available. You're not doing yourself any favors by pushing down talent and thumbing the scales against people whose only crime is being born to the wrong family.
Meanwhile, the outsourcing continues since most Americans are getting replaced with the new H1-B immigrants that will do the tech and engineering jobs for less.
Anybody but Americans, amirite?
"We need to secure our manufacturing industry from another global pandemic!"
>How about bringing the jobs back here?
"And have to pay reasonable wages and taxes? NEVER!"
 
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China was able to build the sweatshop of the world because it:
  1. bought out the American donor class with drugs and degeneracy,
  2. built a resource and logistic network inside China to facilitate manufacturing, iPhone city doesn't build itself on it's own,
  3. whipped its population into servitude to The Party.
IMO, India can't do all three.
 
India is way too fucked up to ever be the center of manufacturing. Calling India a democracy is stretching it. They have infamous voting fraud issues in addition to massive corruption. And the various provinces barely get along, the British carved India out from dozens of ethnically and culturally different empires that spent hundreds of years fighting. And would still be fighting if they could.

On top of that there are a shit load of internal issues like caste, religious animosity, ethnic strife, low literacy, low average IQ, and poor infrastructure that can't be solved in the next couple of decades. They've supposedly been the next superpower for 50 years and all they've managed to be is an empire of call centers and shitty IT drones.
 
For India to reproduce the same results as China, India would need to massively invest in engineering in a way that they just can't. India's national IQ has been generously estimated to be about 80. The average IQ for most STEM professions is in the 115-120 range for western nations. The standard deviation for IQ is about 15 points. There's a rule in stats which says that the first 2 standard deviations account for 95% of observable variation. China's national IQ is actually slightly greater than most western countries so they start a something of an advantage relative to India. Basically 95% of India's population is unable to enter the kind of labor force we would need to replace China on the basis of their IQ alone and even with a population of 1,500,000,000 people their labor force just can't compete with China's.

Inb4, "Not everyone is an engineer". The amount of work that India would require to modernize their economy and automate it in the way that China manged is simply impossible for them. India has multi-lingual road construction teams because different ethic groups fuck with each other by installing road signs upside down, intentionally printing wrong directions, renaming things, etc. A couple of months ago a bridge (built during British occupation and stood for nearly 100 years) collapsed after unspecified "repairs" and killed somewhere between 130 and 150 people although the exact number apparently can't be agreed upon because their country is that much of a fucking mess. This bridge also happened to be in Modi's home province as well and happens to be one of the most functional parts of India as it produces about 1/3 of India's pharmaceutical output.

India will never become a super power.

 
China was able to build the sweatshop of the world because it:
  1. bought out the American donor class with drugs and degeneracy,
  2. built a resource and logistic network inside China to facilitate manufacturing, iPhone city doesn't build itself on it's own,
  3. whipped its population into servitude to The Party.
IMO, India can't do all three.

What China does is also throw away a lot of money to undercut the competition and then jack up the prices. Even at grass roots boutique manufacturers they have learned this. For example, buying a product online so cheap you wonder how they are even making money. They are not, they are just killing off the competition and the profits come from government subsidies, especially on international postage costs.
 
>"China manufactures at scale, while most factories in India are small and midsize due to federal regulations and protections designed specifically for SMEs," said Gerdeman.
Good. The world doesn't need any more giant giga bug hive factories where people live like slaves until they throw themselves off the roof. Just moving that same shit to a different country isn't progress.
 
India has already solidified itself naturally as the scam capital and call center capital of the world. Despite China being sketchy and very kikish can't wait to see how India will penny pinch when payed to make tool steel or some shit.

Meanwhile, the outsourcing continues since most Americans are getting replaced with the new H1-B immigrants that will do the tech and engineering jobs for less.

China was able to build the sweatshop of the world because it:
  1. bought out the American donor class with drugs and degeneracy,
  2. built a resource and logistic network inside China to facilitate manufacturing, iPhone city doesn't build itself on it's own,
  3. whipped its population into servitude to The Party.
IMO, India can't do all three.

India is way too fucked up to ever be the center of manufacturing. Calling India a democracy is stretching it. They have infamous voting fraud issues in addition to massive corruption. And the various provinces barely get along, the British carved India out from dozens of ethnically and culturally different empires that spent hundreds of years fighting. And would still be fighting if they could.

On top of that there are a shit load of internal issues like caste, religious animosity, ethnic strife, low literacy, low average IQ, and poor infrastructure that can't be solved in the next couple of decades. They've supposedly been the next superpower for 50 years and all they've managed to be is an empire of call centers and shitty IT drones.
China got where they are for one reason and one reason only: American CEOs saw China as a way to cut costs because there’s no labor laws and unions are a pain in the ass to deal with and they have the government backing them when they say “You and your children will work for peanuts AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!” And I guess where America goes, the developed world follows.

Now the question becomes how India responds to the same strong arming
India is way too fucked up to ever be the center of manufacturing. Calling India a democracy is stretching it. They have infamous voting fraud issues in addition to massive corruption. And the various provinces barely get along, the British carved India out from dozens of ethnically and culturally different empires that spent hundreds of years fighting. And would still be fighting if they could.

On top of that there are a shit load of internal issues like caste, religious animosity, ethnic strife, low literacy, low average IQ, and poor infrastructure that can't be solved in the next couple of decades. They've supposedly been the next superpower for 50 years and all they've managed to be is an empire of call centers and shitty IT drones.
Don’t forget constantly beefing with their eternal enemy Pakistan.

>"China manufactures at scale, while most factories in India are small and midsize due to federal regulations and protections designed specifically for SMEs," said Gerdeman.
Good. The world doesn't need any more giant giga bug hive factories where people live like slaves until they throw themselves off the roof. Just moving that same shit to a different country isn't progress.
Except the Western world will always look for ways to cut costs.
 
One thing that would give India a much bigger shot for world-factory status is if they ditched their stupid caste system and let anybody pursue whatever work is available. You're not doing yourself any favors by pushing down talent and thumbing the scales against people whose only crime is being born to the wrong family.
A pajeet who isn't casteist is like a human that doesn't eat food
 
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