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India is trying to become the new factory of the world, but it could take more than a global pandemic to unseat China from its 40-year reign​


India's vying for a piece of China's pie in higher end manufacturing.Sajjad Hussain/AFP/Getty Images
  • China's zero-COVID policies are pushing companies to diversify supply chains away from the country.
  • They were already moving out due to geopolitical tensions and tariffs from the Trump era.
  • But it isn't easy to fully replace China's supply chain ecosystem in any country — even one as vast as India.
China's zero-COVID policy may just be doing what Donald Trump didn't manage to fully achieve during his term as president — shifting global supply chains away from China for the first time in 40 years.

In 2018 and 2019, Trump levied stiff tariffs against China to counter what he called unfair trade deals with the US, spurring retaliation from Beijing and kicking off a trade war.

And while many companies started discussing moving supply chains out of China as a way to distance themselves from geopolitical risks, it was really the pandemic — and China's zero-COVID policy — that drove home the importance of not depending on one country for its supply chain.

"The geopolitical tensions in themselves may not have resulted into this level of realignment of supply chains, but COVID certainly provided that extra vision extra fillip, the extra fuel to the fire," Ashutosh Sharma, a research director at market researcher Forrester, told Insider.

Tech giant Apple provides the latest example of being burned by an overreliance on Chinese production lines, with iPhone output hit by China's relentless zero-COVID pursuit. Apple is now speeding up its push to shift its production out of China to other Asian countries. But where to go?

Major Apple supplier Foxconn's top pick is India, and so is that of other chipmakers, after the Biden administration in October imposed export controls on shipping equipment to Chinese-owned factories making advanced logic chips.

"India has a large labor pool, a long history of manufacturing, and government support for boosting industry and exports. Because of this, many are exploring whether Indian manufacturing is a viable alternative to China," Julie Gerdeman, the CEO of supply chain risk management platform Everstream, told Insider.

But the move is easier said than done.

India is the world's largest democracy, and that makes decision-making a lot more complicated​

As a large economy with a young population, India has the potential to be a manufacturing powerhouse. But the South Asian country is also infamous for its bureaucracy and hindering red tape.

"It's far from a place where businesses can simply come in and open a shop without having too many company compliances," said Sharma, who is based in India. "I'm sure China has those issues too, but its ability to move fast on those compliance requirements is much higher than in India, because India is much more democratic and there are just too many stakeholders to satisfy here."

India came in at the 63rd position in a World Bank list of 190 countries ranked based on their ease of doing business in 2019. While this was an improvement from its position in the 142th position in 2014 when Prime Minister Narendra Modi took office — it still lagged behind China, which was in the 31st position in 2019 the last year the index was compiled before the World Bank discontinued it after a data rigging scandal. Data irregularities improved China's position in 2018, according to a World Bank audit published in December 2020.

India also has a history of protectionism, which makes it less competitive in terms of attracting large investments.

"China manufactures at scale, while most factories in India are small and midsize due to federal regulations and protections designed specifically for SMEs," said Gerdeman.

China has built a manufacturing ecosystem over 4 decades​

India's Prime Minister Modi has been working on attracting foreign direct investments, or FDI, since he took office in 2014, sending FDI to a record $83.6 billion in the last fiscal year, according to government data.

"India certainly has advantages in terms of demographics, in terms of geography, in terms of the infrastructure that exist, much of which has been built in the last few years," said Sharma. "It can obviously increase the scale, but what it does not have is all the pieces of the puzzle."

What he means is that China has managed to build up a value chain so extensive that almost everything required to make a product can be sourced and acquired in the country, which allows for low-cost manufacturing on a large scale. In contrast, India doesn't have this capability yet, which takes years to build up.

That's because manufacturers always start factory operations with the assembly line before starting to develop local supply lines for the finished products in a "backward integration" of processes, said Sharma.

"That supply chain takes time for it to build because even when you are sourcing it internally, the quality is not that good initially, your scale is not that high, and you run into those issues. So yes, it can be done, but it takes time," he told Insider.

Once burned, twice shy companies aren't going all in on India this time​

In any case, companies are unlikely to flock en masse to India like they did to China because it's just been proven too risky, the experts said.

And it's not just Foxconn and Apple that have gone all in on China and are now suffering for it: US sportswear giant Nike, Japanese carmaker Toyota, and South Korean tech titan Samsung all number among the many companies experiencing prolonged supply-chain issues because of their reliance on the manufacturing giant.

"They are looking to diversify their sourcing," said Sharma. "If you look at Foxconn and Apple, they have already moved a significant part of production to India and I'm sure to other countries like Vietnam, and a few other places. That's precisely because they want to diversify, from having dependency on one country, like China, to a couple of locations."

This means more complex supply chains, but they will be diversified all from raw material stages, he said.

"If they can build two or three dependable places where they can source from, they will still have alternative sources even if something happens to one location in the future," said Sharma.
 
For India to reproduce the same results as China, India would need to massively invest in engineering in a way that they just can't. India's national IQ has been generously estimated to be about 80. The average IQ for most STEM professions is in the 115-120 range for western nations. The standard deviation for IQ is about 15 points. There's a rule in stats which says that the first 2 standard deviations account for 95% of observable variation. China's national IQ is actually slightly greater than most western countries so they start a something of an advantage relative to India. Basically 95% of India's population is unable to enter the kind of labor force we would need to replace China on the basis of their IQ alone and even with a population of 1,500,000,000 people their labor force just can't compete with China's.

Inb4, "Not everyone is an engineer". The amount of work that India would require to modernize their economy and automate it in the way that China manged is simply impossible for them. India has multi-lingual road construction teams because different ethic groups fuck with each other by installing road signs upside down, intentionally printing wrong directions, renaming things, etc. A couple of months ago a bridge (built during British occupation and stood for nearly 100 years) collapsed after unspecified "repairs" and killed somewhere between 130 and 150 people although the exact number apparently can't be agreed upon because their country is that much of a fucking mess. This bridge also happened to be in Modi's home province as well and happens to be one of the most functional parts of India as it produces about 1/3 of India's pharmaceutical output.

India will never become a super power.



Unpopular thing to say but they would have been better off had the British remained.
Not because British are inherently superior or any of that jingoistic inaccuracy, but because a ruling class which is not invested in one native group any more than another would keep thing’s operating.

I know historically certain groups were favored by the British, Sikhs for instance, but at the e d of the day they were all Indian chappies.

The “brown Englishmen” who were from highly anglicized wealthy families and children of mixed parentage made a go between echelon to deal with the Indians, thus overall made good administrative workers.

It’s shitty and 200 years old in terms of running a country, but it works better than a morass of divided tribal and ethnic loyalty.
 
India has a completely different work ethic and culture. East Asians literally work themselves to death and prefer to commit suicide than deal with a personal failure. This is the perfect kind of person to be exploited and ground into a pulp for the benefit of a capitalism.

People bitch shit from China is cheap and shitty, but guess what? China gives you exactly what you ask for and what you pay for. If things are cheap and shitty, blame the megacorps trying to cut corners are much as fucking possible that they ask the Chinese to make the cheapest, shittiest things possible.

In India, you're just going to get shit, because that's what they make.
 
India has a completely different work ethic and culture. East Asians literally work themselves to death and prefer to commit suicide than deal with a personal failure. This is the perfect kind of person to be exploited and ground into a pulp for the benefit of a capitalism.

People bitch shit from China is cheap and shitty, but guess what? China gives you exactly what you ask for and what you pay for. If things are cheap and shitty, blame the megacorps trying to cut corners are much as fucking possible that they ask the Chinese to make the cheapest, shittiest things possible.

In India, you're just going to get shit, because that's what they make.
The Chinese are some of the most dishonest people on the planet. They're not Japs.
 
I honestly don't believe in the high IQ chink meme. They still have large swathes of the population living like medieval peasants, working the fields with water buffalo. Remember that the ones in America are going to be significantly more intelligent than the average simply by virtue of selection bias. Add in China's tendency to grossly overstate their successes, and I find it hard to believe that their economic success isn't more to do with the huge population, bugman mentality and CCP tyranny.
 
I honestly don't believe in the high IQ chink meme. They still have large swathes of the population living like medieval peasants, working the fields with water buffalo. Remember that the ones in America are going to be significantly more intelligent than the average simply by virtue of selection bias. Add in China's tendency to grossly overstate their successes, and I find it hard to believe that their economic success isn't more to do with the huge population, bugman mentality and CCP tyranny.
I can agree, even when I see chinese tourist they do things that would shame a drunk "ugly American" stereotype tourist who would catch the social cues that is not a acceptable behavour. Outside the walls of Dubrovnik Croatia, they have swimming spots along the rocky shore. People put clothes and items down and go for a dip in the water. Chinese tourist come and touch other people clothes then take shits right next to people clothes and swimers. Not just one but entire groups, I least have not observed this behavour in Indian tourist.
 
The Chinese are some of the most dishonest people on the planet. They're not Japs.
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nooooo my heckin nipperonis are so much more based and wholesome and nice and productive and honest and cool than those stinky BUGMEN
 
I honestly don't believe in the high IQ chink meme. They still have large swathes of the population living like medieval peasants, working the fields with water buffalo. Remember that the ones in America are going to be significantly more intelligent than the average simply by virtue of selection bias. Add in China's tendency to grossly overstate their successes, and I find it hard to believe that their economic success isn't more to do with the huge population, bugman mentality and CCP tyranny.
The CCP literally won't allow low IQ people to be tested and will kick out any international organization that attempts to do so. They only allow certain schools in certain cities (most recently Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, Zhejiang) to be tested. Every other country in the world draws the sample from their entire country.
Andreas Schleicher, PISA division head and co-ordinator, stated that PISA tests administered in rural China have produced some results approaching the OECD average.
Critics of PISA counter that in Shanghai and other Chinese cities, most children of migrant workers can only attend city schools up to the ninth grade, and must return to their parents' hometowns for high school due to hukou restrictions, thus skewing the composition of the city's high school students in favor of wealthier local families.
They also change which provinces can be scored every test:
In 2018 the Chinese provinces that participated were Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang. In 2015, the participating provinces were Jiangsu, Guangdong, Beijing, and Shanghai.
If the meme was true, there'd be no reason to play these games.

Han is also the Asian equivalent of White; an umbrella group for dozens of different ethnicities. A Swede looks different than an Italian but they're both White and same is true in China with their ethnic groups. There is no such thing as one unified Chinese ethnic group.
 
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India has already solidified itself naturally as the scam capital and call center capital of the world. Despite China being sketchy and very kikish can't wait to see how India will penny pinch when payed to make tool steel or some shit.
Their one advantage o er China there was ability to speak English, which they were never actually good at and have since been easily surpassed by the Chinese, so yeah I can't wait to see how this future boondoggle plays out.
 
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IP theft is based. Fuck copyright.
Great way to get zero innovation as no one bothers anymore because someone richer than them will just steal their invention.

Let's compare China, which doesn't honor IP agreements to Japan, which does:

China:
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Japan:
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And that's just the inventions Wikipedia classifies as "technology".
The US articles are too long to post. The US equivalent article is spread over three different pages:
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China tries to cope with their inferiority by bragging about 5G patents as if anyone cares 5G in the first place (and of course the Wumao leave out that China's 5G tech was stolen from the Canadian company Nortel). If someone starts talking to you about how China is an innovation leader because of 5G or drones, you're talking to a literal shill.

They also cope with their hilarious Four Great New Inventions (a reference to Ancient China's Four Great Inventions of the compass, paper, gunpowder, and printing):
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