Is Chris gender neutral?

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Tragi-Chan said:
In general yes, but he also believes that all males are "brutes" and "neanderthals." Yet when he's put in certain situations, he's every bit as neanderthal as he accuses men of being. For example, during the Catie saga he was possessive, jealous and sexually aggressive. And his behaviour over the blue arms saga wasn't exactly in line with his ideas of peaceful femininity.


I've often wondered if there was an element of bi-curiosity there. I don't know if he's actually bi, I'm inclined to agree that he isn't on the whole. But I do find it interesting that he's so violently repulsed by men's bodies. He's mentioned having intrusive sexual thoughts about men in one of the Mailbags, and his fears of "falling off the straight path." My guess would be that he had some thoughts involving men that he found sexy and, being heterosexual but not clever enough to understand the intricacies of sexuality, was repulsed by the fact that he wasn't repulsed. If that makes sense. It's quite late at night and I may not be coherent.
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Marvin said:
He doesn't really believe in peaceful femininity. Like, Chris likes Rosie the riveter cliches and girl power and shit like that. At the end of the day, girls are good, boys are bad. The specifics don't matter until Chris decides to bring them up in an argument.

I don't think this is intentional on Chris' part either. He's just way too dumb to identify the biases in his behavior/speech.

Chris hasn't mentioned any explicitly sexual thoughts involving men, just nudity. (Small difference, I'll admit. But to an autist, even non-sexual nudity might be seen as elaborate gay porno.)

This is probably what happened. (Although I don't have reason to think he thought whatever kicked this off was sexy. It would be sufficient for someone to have mentioned dicks, and he thought that not being violently offended implied a tolerance of dicks.)

Where I disagree with most people, is when they take this likely series of events to mean that Chris' aversion to male nudity is something of a put-on. People think that he's faking it or at the very least, homosexuality is lurking under the surface.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Chris is seriously traumatized by male nudity. It isn't fake or overacting on his part. Chris is seriously disgusted by male nudity. He freaks out, he gets shortness of breath, his heart rate goes up. He panics. His behavior reminds me of a rape victim at times. It's pathological at this point.

Because of this, I genuinely believe it's impossible for Chris to be gay. He cannot be attracted to men's bodies.
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Its easy to assign Chris's intense fear and repulsion of males as latent, closeted homosexuality. After all you see that a lot in other people who are not comfortable with their own homosexuality. However, in Chris's situation, I think its sadly just a matter of him being extremely intimidated by male sexuality/behavior. He can't fit in with it, much less compete with it.

I'm sure he resents the word "fag", because he got called fag a lot as a kid, for well... acting like a fag so much. A lot of people assume fag means gay, and thats it. To millenial males it simply means "unmanly". If you miss an easy shot in basketball, fag. If you get scared of a sudden sound, fag. If you're nervous in a social situation for any reason, fag. You can be called a fag for literally anything at anytime. I wonder how Chris's autistic mind took that as a kid, not being able to separate the connotation and denotation of that word after being called it so much.
 
Katolate said:
Chris hates his own dick as far I know, with all that talk about his "disgusting growth" and all.
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My theory is that becoming a woman is Chris' escape to living life as a man. Chris has rarely had any positive interactions with men. He's also failed most of his self-perceived gender stereotypes so possibly considers the life of a woman as more appealing. His ideal wife typically adopts a lot of what he considers the male gender role, although only with something he'd want to bang. Psychologically, it might be out of him desiring to adopt a submissive role, but I recall him being more than happy to play househusband. The transition from Tomgirl to Trans was an unusual leap too, unless he was testing the waters, it seems strange for him not to make the full jump.

It's entirely possible that Chris doesn't understand the concept of gender beyond wearing pants or a skirt, or liking GI Joe or Barbie. He simultaneously is available as a woman to lesbians but also offers his duck for any straight women who come his way. It's pretty difficult to say whether Chris has legitimate gender issues or not, but it's rather telling of his psyche when this isn't the strangest thing he's done.
 
No, he's this:

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I'm sure its been mentioned before, but I really doubt Chris is transgendered in the way that most people would consider transgender. He hasn't really spent his whole life feeling like he's the wrong gender, but he has spent his whole life hating himself for being Chris. Until recently, he escaped into fantasy worlds, and drowned himself in fatty foods and video games. But with Bob gone, and his cash flow drying up, he's been forced to take a good hard look at his life, and he does not like what he sees.
So, instead of manning up, and learning how to be a person, he's just digging a deeper trench to hide in.
Becoming Christine is just his next attempt to escape the reality he has created for himself. It's incredibly unhealthy psychological behavior.

But look how well it has worked for him. Already he has white knights defending him by the dozen. People keep sending him money, seemingly for no reason, and he suddenly feels like he has a social life again -- illusion though it may be. For him, this is like a second puberty, a regression back to a simpler time when people were forced to tolerate him, instead of ignore him. Everyone around him is reinforcing some really unhealthy mindsets, and he's drinking it all in.
 
The Lizard Queen said:
I'm sure its been mentioned before, but I really doubt Chris is transgendered in the way that most people would consider transgender. He hasn't really spent his whole life feeling like he's the wrong gender, but he has spent his whole life hating himself for being Chris. Until recently, he escaped into fantasy worlds, and drowned himself in fatty foods and video games. But with Bob gone, and his cash flow drying up, he's been forced to take a good hard look at his life, and he does not like what he sees.
So, instead of manning up, and learning how to be a person, he's just digging a deeper trench to hide in.
Becoming Christine is just his next attempt to escape the reality he has created for himself. It's incredibly unhealthy psychological behavior.

But look how well it has worked for him. Already he has white knights defending him by the dozen. People keep sending him money, seemingly for no reason, and he suddenly feels like he has a social life again -- illusion though it may be. For him, this is like a second puberty, a regression back to a simpler time when people were forced to tolerate him, instead of ignore him. Everyone around him is reinforcing some really unhealthy mindsets, and he's drinking it all in.
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He does like being a woman though, there's something to be said for that. You'd be hard pressed to find a shrink who would make him stop. Now he has the luxury of not really having his transition have that much of an affect on his life. Most people who transition have to worry about what co-workers, peers, friends and family will say. Chris only has to worry about two (and now one) family members resisting. But they've enabled him to make other, ostensibly far more unhealthy choices in life. You think his therapy/support groups are gonna give him the hard kick to the ass he needs? Think again, they realize he has autism and are just gonna seek out to make him as comfortable in life as they can as long as it keeps him out of trouble.

Now I'm not saying his transgender status is "legitimate" as a lot of transgender members of this forum, who seemingly take it much more seriously, have pointed out. But the bottom line is that as far as any therapist/mental health professional is concerned. They're gonna let him pursue this as much as he wants to, cuz they're pretty much not allowed to give him any resistance anyway. I'm pretty sure at this point if everyone in the world told him he wasn't a real transgender and was doing this for alternative reasons, he'd still put up a fight. But as long as he has just one asspatter who tells him he's a legitimate woman, he will consider that a victory of validation.

Maybe some of the transgender members can weigh in, but as I see it in safe space environments as long as you say you're trans, you are. Believe it or not Chris cares a lot more what drag queens at Impulse do than any of us Kiwis do.
 
Lipitor said:
Maybe some of the transgender members can weigh in, but as I see it in safe space environments as long as you say you're trans, you are. Believe it or not Chris cares a lot more what drag queens at Impulse do than any of us Kiwis do.
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As he probably should since he's far more likely to interact with them in his actual life than any of us.
 
AnOminous said:
As he probably should since he's far more likely to interact with them in his actual life than any of us.
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True, but he doesn't have any doses of reality. He doesn't get the difference between drag queens and people actually trying to pass. The second of which as far as I can tell, is his goal.
 
So do any of you think chris has Dysphoria or actual Gender identity disorder that would make him a true and Honest transgender
 
94GrandMarquis said:
So do any of you think chris has Dysphoria or actual Gender identity disorder that would make him a true and Honest transgender
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The standard line I give people, is that Chris does have deep running, genuine gender issues. However, I am not a shrink so I am not qualified to diagnose him with anything. I'm not qualified to parse out what parts of Chris' autism addled gender issues can be treated with therapy and what parts are burned in, if any.
 
Master Miller said:
My theory is that becoming a woman is Chris' escape to living life as a man. Chris has rarely had any positive interactions with men. He's also failed most of his self-perceived gender stereotypes so possibly considers the life of a woman as more appealing. His ideal wife typically adopts a lot of what he considers the male gender role, although only with something he'd want to bang. Psychologically, it might be out of him desiring to adopt a submissive role, but I recall him being more than happy to play househusband. The transition from Tomgirl to Trans was an unusual leap too, unless he was testing the waters, it seems strange for him not to make the full jump.

It's entirely possible that Chris doesn't understand the concept of gender beyond wearing pants or a skirt, or liking GI Joe or Barbie. He simultaneously is available as a woman to lesbians but also offers his duck for any straight women who come his way. It's pretty difficult to say whether Chris has legitimate gender issues or not, but it's rather telling of his psyche when this isn't the strangest thing he's done.
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Chris only seems to perceive things in very broad terms, likely because of his autism. He's totally face-blind and believes that he not only passes as a woman, but as a stunningly beautiful woman. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he can only think of men as aggressive, domineering cavemen and women as sitcom housewives - these are broad stereotypes, lacking in any of those troublesome subtleties. I wonder if he's aware that there are men who don't fit the stereotype, or if he just ignores everyone that doesn't conform to his belief.
 
Tragi-Chan said:
Chris only seems to perceive things in very broad terms, likely because of his autism. He's totally face-blind and believes that he not only passes as a woman, but as a stunningly beautiful woman. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if he can only think of men as aggressive, domineering cavemen and women as sitcom housewives - these are broad stereotypes, lacking in any of those troublesome subtleties. I wonder if he's aware that there are men who don't fit the stereotype, or if he just ignores everyone that doesn't conform to his belief.
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He's actually pretty friendly with men.

He thinks that, as a general rule, men are *bad stereotype* and women are *good stereotype*. He's met lots of men he's been friendly with and he's met women he's hated (Megan and Mary Lee Walsh). But they don't affect his larger views of the world. He thinks of them as anomalies, not something that merits further investigation. Questioning your beliefs in the face of contradicting evidence is stressful.
 
he has a distorted view of sexuality, transgenders generally feel like theve been in the wrong body their whole lives and they act more like girls than women, Chris even ranted against Gays and trans yet in 2011 all of a sudden he wants to become a woman, thats the most hypocritical thing ive EVER seen, when he realized his lovequest wasnt going the way he wanted it to he tried something radical,
 
Marvin said:
He's actually pretty friendly with men.

He thinks that, as a general rule, men are *bad stereotype* and women are *good stereotype*. He's met lots of men he's been friendly with and he's met women he's hated (Megan and Mary Lee Walsh). But they don't affect his larger views of the world. He thinks of them as anomalies, not something that merits further investigation. Questioning your beliefs in the face of contradicting evidence is stressful.
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There's another reason why Chris is a better person than ADF
 
94GrandMarquis said:
he has a distorted view of sexuality, transgenders generally feel like theve been in the wrong body their whole lives and they act more like girls than women, Chris even ranted against Gays and trans yet in 2011 all of a sudden he wants to become a woman, thats the most hypocritical thing ive EVER seen, when he realized his lovequest wasnt going the way he wanted it to he tried something radical,
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It's not hypocritical to change your mind. And again, this isn't about the lovequest.
 
I would say that Christine transcends neurotypical conceptions of gender. Whether we can call that gender neutral is questionable
 
Alberto Balsalm said:
Chris is autistic.
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Maybe.

Chris's gender issues, juvenile play, and attention-seeking behavior are much more typical of Williams syndrome than Aspergers. But Chris does not have the facial appearance or medical issues associated with Williams syndrome, so I rather doubt Chris has Williams.

Chris does have some autistic traits, but a lot of the stuff Chris does is not typical autism.

Chris is a mystery.
 
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