Is Chris gender neutral?

[MysticMisty]

Chris isn't gender neutral, just weird. Ignoring his horrible custom ponies, Sailor Moon posters, and whatever feminine things he has, Chris is happily a man who wants to basically play dress-up (but is too lazy about it). He doesn't mention he dislikes himself for being male, nor does he appear to want to go through a gender change. He just thinks that putting on a too-small too-short skirt will lead him to the glorious land of (free) China.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

I also don't understand all this 'gender/race is a social construct" shit I hear recently.

That doesn't mean racial phenotypes and physical sex (which is not the same thing as gender) don't exist. A mentor of mine is African-American and has never claimed otherwise, but now, at around 70 years old, has lighter skin than many "white" people, especially those who tan. But that doesn't mean society will ever view him as anything but the social category "black."

You are whatever your body is. Saying that you "identify" as it or that you feel differently does not change anything.

Oh look, another person who doesn't understand the difference between sex (the body) and gender (the mind), and also doesn't know that physically intersexed people exist. Brain scans of trans people show that their brains are more structurally similar to those of the gender they identify as than those of the gender they were assigned at birth. Try to keep up with modern science.

Some people even go to the point of suing for not being able to use the womans restroom/locker room when they clearly have a penis.

Yes, when they live as a woman, have taken female names, consistently take every possible step to appear female, and have no intention of doing anything with that penis in that bathroom other than urinate -- or in the locker room, merely want to duck into a private cubicle and change. Chris hasn't done this because he doesn't want to be a woman and isn't one mentally. Despite some very, very superficial feminine behaviors (some clothing, very occasional makeup, toys), he wants to be seen as a STRAIGHT male.

 

[Trombonista]

I don't think Chris knows what gender neutral even means.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

I also don't understand all this 'gender/race is a social construct" shit I hear recently.

That doesn't mean racial phenotypes and physical sex (which is not the same thing as gender) don't exist. A mentor of mine is African-American and has never claimed otherwise, but now, at around 70 years old, has lighter skin than many "white" people, especially those who tan. But that doesn't mean society will ever view him as anything but the social category "black."

You are whatever your body is. Saying that you "identify" as it or that you feel differently does not change anything.

Oh look, another person who doesn't understand the difference between sex (the body) and gender (the mind), and also doesn't know that physically intersexed people exist. Brain scans of trans people show that their brains are more structurally similar to those of the gender they identify as than those of the gender they were assigned at birth. Try to keep up with modern science.

Some people even go to the point of suing for not being able to use the womans restroom/locker room when they clearly have a penis.

Yes, when they live as a woman, have taken female names, consistently take every possible step to appear female, and have no intention of doing anything with that penis in that bathroom other than urinate -- or in the locker room, merely want to duck into a private cubicle and change. Chris hasn't done this because he doesn't want to be a woman and isn't one mentally. Despite some very, very superficial feminine behaviors (some clothing, very occasional makeup, toys), he wants to be seen as a STRAIGHT male.

how is it indecent exposure when I pull my hairy dick out in a womens restroom, and okay if I wear a dress and say that i'm female?

 

[Long Sun]

how is it indecent exposure when I pull my hairy dick out in a womens restroom, and okay if I wear a dress and say that i'm female?

By the same token if a female bodied person flashed her private parts in the restroom it would be indecent exposure or if a man show his penis around a men's restroom it would be indecent exposure, punish criminals not those with genuine gender issues

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Chris isn't deep. Chris identifies himself as a straight male. Chris is not transgender. Chris most likely does not crossdress for the same reasons any other crossdresser might. People try to figure out Chris's motives by using logic and common sense and they fail. While many people go from A-to-B, Chris goes from A-to-having sex with a toaster oven in the middle of a dog fight in Idaho.

 

[bradsternum]

Chris is queer. Not gay, but his behavior definitely falls under the umbrella of queer.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

By the same token if a female bodied person flashed her private parts in the restroom it would be indecent exposure or if a man show his penis around a men's restroom it would be indecent exposure, punish criminals not those with genuine gender issues

Oh, Serdog. You and your logic. You're trying to bring correct legal principles into an argument with some dude who thinks pasting in the Tumblr logo constitutes proof of... I dunno, something. OPL has shown evidence of more logical thinking than this Ivan person has.

Remember, Ivan, you may be from Kyiv (or not, I don't have access to IPs), but only your countryman Edouard Khil actually sang "Trollolololol" and had it sound good.

 

[Yawning Squirtle]

I don't wanna make this discussion any longer than it already is, but Chris did mention something about wanting to use the female restroom on that Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia forum:

After I realized my tomgirly ways, and starting dressing up in my skirts, I started feeling discomfort in using the Men's restroom. I asked my closest gal pal if it would be going too far in using the Ladies' room; she told me to go with my feelings. My next skirted outting, I used the ladies' room, and I squatted, holding my arrow down over the john (so I would be less likely to soil my skirt); it felt good and Right. Days later, though, after 4 more lady trips; a woman complains and tattles on me, and a stereotypical Brute male shouts me out. I felt embarassed. When in skirt, I am still gonna go to the Ladies, because there is no goin' back for me.

Maybe he was just trying to fit in, though. The whole Tomgirl thing is really really odd, and I don't think it has that many deeper meanings. As other people said it already, it's mostly autism + all the misconceptions Chris has about gender and women in general.

EDIT: oh, that closest gal pal was most likely Anna, right? Man, Anna is such a troll

 

[Ivan Komarov]

I don't wanna make this discussion any longer than it already is, but Chris did mention something about wanting to use the female restroom on that Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia forum:

After I realized my tomgirly ways, and starting dressing up in my skirts, I started feeling discomfort in using the Men's restroom. I asked my closest gal pal if it would be going too far in using the Ladies' room; she told me to go with my feelings. My next skirted outting, I used the ladies' room, and I squatted, holding my arrow down over the john (so I would be less likely to soil my skirt); it felt good and Right. Days later, though, after 4 more lady trips; a woman complains and tattles on me, and a stereotypical Brute male shouts me out. I felt embarassed. When in skirt, I am still gonna go to the Ladies, because there is no goin' back for me.

Maybe he was just trying to fit in, though. The whole Tomgirl thing is really really odd, and I don't think it has that many deeper meanings. As other people said it already, it's mostly autism + all the misconceptions Chris has about gender and women in general.

EDIT: oh, that closest gal pal was most likely Anna, right? Man, Anna is such a troll

You're probably right. The whole tomgirl thing is more than likely a product of opc's rampant autism, and possibly a new way to attract women. He could possibly be thinking that he could kind of "get behind enemy lines" with the whole tomgirl thing, and then find a sweetheart to grind up.

 

[Holdek]

Heh, I remember on the old forum the politics thread almost got locked because Chit and someone else were raging that trans should be allowed to use whatever bathrooms they wanted, no questions asked.

Personally I think species is a social construct, as is age, which is why I am a babyfur.

 

[CatParty]

Heh, I remember on the old forum the politics thread almost got locked because Chit and someone else were raging that trans should be allowed to use whatever bathrooms they wanted, no questions asked.

Personally I think species is a social construct, as is age, which is why I am a babyfur.

there should only be one bathroom for everyone.

 

[TL 611]

My 2 cents on the trans/bathroom thing - I've seen trannies (or whatever the terminology is) in public women's restrooms and nobody cares enough to bring it up in my experience. People can get uncomfortable about it (course they can, trannies deviate from the norm and that makes them freaks society wise), but 99% of people will just get over it and maybe gossip as they leave, but not confront them. Trannies surely have to get over te fact they're not normal, and people will stare. There's nothing I hate more than someone who has a freak out going "what the fuck are you looking at" when they deviate from the norm. Course people are gonna stare you're different. Not that I'm saying you're not allowed to be different, but it's the human way to look at someone different to us and judge. Not your fault you're different but don't bitch about it. Public changing rooms however, that's a completely different story. At that point I do think it becomes about what sex you are rather than what gender you are. Mainly because theres a high chance of someone feeling threatened or freaked out. And I know it sounds a bit dickish but if you're deviating from the norm, you have to expect compromise and you can't expect everyone to go "ooh they're special I better treat them really nice". It's politeness I think.

However this whole gender roles thing is a very interesting concept. I knew a kid who had hippy dippy parents, who didn't "enforce gender roles" on their kid. Now, when I say "they didn't enforce gender roles" I mean they were mean dickheads. Basically him deviating obviously got more attention, and they were more willing to spoil him getting things he wasn't "supposed" to have because he was going against these evil gender stereotypes. So this kid had cooking sets and pink dresses. Well at least he did until he was 6, then he got bullied so much he learnt to be a normal kid and put some fucking trousers on. Gender stereotypes, at a young age, are purely sociological.

Most boys get bullied out of being effeminate, either by their parents or peers. Chris's parents were chuffed the little retard could even speak so whatever, if he wants to do girly stuff that's weird but whatever. He was the special snowflake with sue-happy parents, I'm sure the schools made sure he didn't ever get bullied. There's not much info about chris's early childhood (to my knowledge), so I can't really comment.

It is also a point that much of this deviant behaviour started as Chris became less involved in society - MLP started like 2005 didn't it? Sailor moon approx the same time? Tomgirlism like 2011. He had less people to sanction him about all this shit, so he doesn't think it's "wrong"

Being gender queer or gender neutral is different to not conforming to gender stereotypes. Chris doesn't feel frustrated with his body, and he doesn't see himself as a woman. He still sees himself as a man, with interssts different to other men, bt still a man. He just wasn't raised properly and subsequently isn't socialised very well, meaning he doesn't understand what society really expects from him and he just goes what amuses him. I'm pretty sure his core value is "be happy", so he doesn't understand why people would possibly object to what hes doing - sure not everyone does it but it makes me happy, why don't they want me to be happy? They must hate me and therefore I hate them.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

My 2 cents on the trans/bathroom thing - I've seen trannies (or whatever the terminology is) in public women's restrooms and nobody cares enough to bring it up in my experience. People can get uncomfortable about it (course they can, trannies deviate from the norm and that makes them freaks society wise), but 99% of people will just get over it and maybe gossip as they leave, but not confront them. Trannies surely have to get over te fact they're not normal, and people will stare. There's nothing I hate more than someone who has a freak out going "what the fuck are you looking at" when they deviate from the norm. Course people are gonna stare you're different. Not that I'm saying you're not allowed to be different, but it's the human way to look at someone different to us and judge. Not your fault you're different but don't bitch about it. Public changing rooms however, that's a completely different story. At that point I do think it becomes about what sex you are rather than what gender you are. Mainly because theres a high chance of someone feeling threatened or freaked out. And I know it sounds a bit dickish but if you're deviating from the norm, you have to expect compromise and you can't expect everyone to go "ooh they're special I better treat them really nice". It's politeness I think.

I personally don't care if somebody is in a different bathroom. However, don't sue the fucking store and act surprised when somebody complains and you get kicked out. It's their private property, you are in there under their rules.

 

[Marvin]

I personally don't care if somebody is in a different bathroom. However, don't sue the fucking store and act surprised when somebody complains and you get kicked out. It's their private property, you are in there under their rules.

You can say the same thing about racial segregation though.

Edit: Actually, there probably still are racially segregated bathrooms in places. And it's not really about being surprised, but being offended. And you have a legitimate reason to be offended.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Edit: Actually, there probably still are racially segregated bathrooms in places.

Oh Marvin, you card. CWCville isn't a "place."

 

[Marvin]

Edit: Actually, there probably still are racially segregated bathrooms in places.

Oh Marvin, you card. CWCville isn't a "place."

Heh, well, they still have racially segregated proms down south.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

Edit: Actually, there probably still are racially segregated bathrooms in places.

Oh Marvin, you card. CWCville isn't a "place."

Heh, well, they still have racially segregated proms down south.

Really? That's pretty retarded. The only place in the south I would ever consider moving to is Tenesee.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

Heh, well, they still have racially segregated proms down south.

Oh, yes. Since I'm well beyond prom age that's never been high on the list of reasons I have no desire to move there... but it is, in fact, on that list, since I work in education and would probably not be able to restrain myself from ranting about the fucking stupidity of that, and the fact that you still find idiots walking around calling the Civil War "the War of Northern Aggression" (rly? Who fired on Fort Sumter again, and from which direction? Etc.), and and and. And then I would no longer have a job in anything.

While Bob may not have had a mental picture of himself as a racist -- and I agree that he was being quite literal in telling the prank caller that he personally had seen crosses burning, not threatening to burn a cross at some dude on the phone -- he certainly had no problem benefiting from a racist society. Imagine a parent of a black kid in Not-the-DC-Suburbs, Virginia flipping their shit in any of the ways Borb did. No way they'd get away with it to such a vast degree.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Chris is actually a mineral.