Is Windows 11 worth it?

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I have a convertible tablet doohickey that I installed vanilla Debian on. It can't even play sound when you start it up from sleep. This didn't happen before systemd. Might have to install 11. Linux is less ready for the desktop than ever.

 

[Ronnie Merle Mcnutt]

whats funny is most linux people still use windows no matter how much they claim to hate it an example of this would be SOG who claims to want to protect his "privacy" while using discord and still using windows in a virtual machine while trying to shill linux for 15 minutes

You can install everything via a GUI, Pamac, in Manjaro too. It's really foolproof.

yeah but what about people that use debian distros or another type of distro than arch if they have to literally install a whole new version of their OS just to use GUI thats a pretty big inconvenience

 

[I'd abeeb bear]

yeah but what about people that use debian distros or another type of distro than arch if they have to literally install a whole new version of their OS just to use GUI thats a pretty big inconvenience

Which is why people have distro wars all the time. Manjaro/EndeavousOS/Arch are all insanely well documented, and that's documented everywhere too... yet somehow people decide they want to go with the ones that are less documented. A quick google will tell you everything you need to know. I found out about AUR and that sold it for me, and it's never been a problem since. There's a tool for literally everything, if you want it.

You can follow the Arch wiki for any of the three I mentioned, step by step, without thinking a single time and wind up in the place you want to be. I went in knowing nothing, and now I solve any minor issue I have on my own simply through what I've learned.

This thread is basically just people that want to stick with Windows forever, bitching about Windows, then commiserating with one another about how stupid the people capable of actually using Linux are, in an extreme case of Dunning Kruger.

You want the privacy of Linux, the native usability of Windows, and the simplicity of a fucking Vtech children's toy computer, and will settle for nothing in between.

Just enjoy your ads and subscription to Windows, which is coming within a few years.

 

[Pissmaster]

There's a tool for literally everything, if you want it.

I don't want a tool for everything, I want people who already know what they're doing to get paid to use those tools to make shit that just works so I can install pirated Adobe CC software and continue to design shitposts.

You can follow the Arch wiki for any of the three I mentioned, step by step, without thinking a single time and wind up in the place you want to be. I went in knowing nothing, and now I solve any minor issue I have on my own simply through what I've learned.

You must have more free time and adderall than anyone else in this thread. Yes, if you have enough dedication, free time, and a long enough attention span, you could read enough guides to walk you through building your own car, but how many people actually do that?

It's attitudes like that which just make Linux that much more inaccessible for the rest of us. You are asking people to do some shit that is autismo extreme. Countless people you pass by in public on a regular basis don't even understand GUI file systems, dude. This wouldn't even be a discussion here and now if Linux still weren't inaccessible to people outside of anyone with enough uppers and free time to read through wikis on how to set up every tiny little thing that just works on Windows and Mac.

 

[I'd abeeb bear]

I don't want a tool for everything, I want people who already know what they're doing to get paid to use those tools to make shit that just works so I can install pirated Adobe CC software and continue to design shitposts.


You must have more free time and adderall than anyone else in this thread. Yes, if you have enough dedication, free time, and a long enough attention span, you could read enough guides to walk you through building your own car, but how many people actually do that?

It's attitudes like that which just make Linux that much more inaccessible for the rest of us. You are asking people to do some shit that is autismo extreme. Countless people you pass by in public on a regular basis don't even understand GUI file systems, dude. This wouldn't even be a discussion here and now if Linux still weren't inaccessible to people outside of anyone with enough uppers and free time to read through wikis on how to set up every tiny little thing that just works on Windows and Mac.

I want people to make the switch. The learning curve is far, far less than people think it is. It took me about a month of daily use for it to click, but during that time, everything I was doing on the day to day worked without a hitch. I broke my OS a few times, then I understood why. But for those minor headaches, I now have an OS completely under my control, that does what I tell it to do, and I understand how and why it does those things.

I didn't browse KF in that time, I didn't follow internet drama, but I learned and it was worth it. If that's not worth it to you, or others, that's fine, but it is the only solution.

Without mentioning Linux, this thread is literally pointless. Windows LTSC, sticking to W7, running a VM of XP... it's all the same Windows, doing the same thing.

You won't have what you want from an OS without there being a learning curve, it's that simple. You either want control, the option to fuck it all up and learn from your mistakes, or to have your handheld by a mega-corporation that intends to sell your user data while charging you for the rights to do it.

It's like people want someone to invent an OS that fits them perfectly, and it's not going to happen. I made one that fits me, and didn't pop a single pill to do it. These are those kinds of moments that make me go "huh, maybe the boomers are right about how lazy people are", because you have infinite time to shitpost about e-celebs, but no time to learn something actually useful.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Stop trying to convince all these normies to start using Linux. Linux becoming more mainstream is a bad thing, not a good thing.

 

[I'd abeeb bear]

Stop trying to convince all these normies to start using Linux. Linux becoming more mainstream is a bad thing, not a good thing.

I know, I got sucked into a rabbit hole and should have dipped out a long time ago.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

This thread is basically just people that want to stick with Windows forever, bitching about Windows, then commiserating with one another about how stupid the people capable of actually using Linux are, in an extreme case of Dunning Kruger.

Literally nobody in this entire thread called you stupid, the only time it has ever been uttered was to describe Linux as being stupid because the people who work on it are morons who don't know any better on UX and apparently GNOME also fails in the UI department according to some comments here shilling for KDE.

You want the privacy of Linux

Spoiler: I digress

Okay no, I'm not a privacysperg first of all, I know they're everywhere on this site like on the Brave cuckholding thread and the DuckDuckGo sceptic thread for starter, but that doesn't mean everyone is a privacysperg. I don't care as long as the telemetry is not literal spyware which Win 10 unfortunately gets bundled with.

For example and I've seen it plenty of times before, people telling me that Firefox is LITERAL SPYWARE THAT STEELS UR DATA yet you can opt out of anything you don't want to give them and as far as I know Mozilla doesn't use it for advertissment purposes which is what I hate about Google and Facebook.

the native usability of Windows, and the simplicity of a fucking Vtech children's toy computer, and will settle for nothing in between.

What does that even mean? Linux should be more like Windows in terms of usability. You must tinker with the OS just to make it work anything like Windows, imagine a world where you could only install stuff from Microsoft's Windows Store and then anything not from that store you must use the command prompt and each time it requires you type in the password for the superuser.

It is not normal behaviour for an OS past the fucking MSDOS days and I'll maintain that.

Just enjoy your ads and subscription to Windows, which is coming within a few years.

If that was to happen everyone would move to Mac. Oh and I'll probably either use another script or an offbrand LTSC version to dodge the bollocks like a champ.

The learning curve is far, far less than people think it is. It took me about a month of daily use for it to click, but during that time, everything I was doing on the day to day worked without a hitch.

>A month
Like Pissmaster said you have way too much free time on you kid.

I broke my OS a few times, then I understood why.

Nigger I never ever broke my OSes, not even once. The closest thing to that was basically the motherboard failed because my PC was getting old, but right there that's fucking autistic, how on Earth is this secure OS lets you break it so easily?

What a way to discourage people from using Linux!

I didn't browse KF in that time, I didn't follow internet drama, but I learned and it was worth it. If that's not worth it to you, or others, that's fine, but it is the only solution.

Windows 7? LTSC? Maybe clean up the windows?

I won't settle for a frustrating experience because it's the only operating system that isn't spyware city or an overpriced piece of shit. I don't have time to deal with Linux's bullshit, if something goes wrong there's very little chance I can recover the laptop, so I'll end up spending 4 hours of my time reinstalling whatever distro I was using at the time. None of this is worth using Linux, if it could function like any other OS on the market out of the box then nobody not even you would have to figure out how it works and then accidentally brick it.

Windows LTSC, sticking to W7, running a VM of XP... it's all the same Windows, doing the same thing.

I asked whether Windows 11 is less shitty than Windows 10 and that's it, that's the whole thread. You decided to bring up Linux out of your own volition because other people on the thread made similar suggestions to switch to a different version of Windows or switch to Linux outright.

You won't have what you want from an OS without there being a learning curve, it's that simple.

I understood how XP worked when I was kid, I'm an adult and I can't put my finger on how certain things on Linux work or don't work. Until someone pointed out that I missed some external program, I thought you couldn't install DEB files from the GUI, I'll try it out when I get the chance to.

That's what frustrates me with Linux its design philosophy is ass backwards, there's everything you need on Windows so it works without any hassle out of the box unlike Linux.

You either want control, the option to fuck it all up and learn from your mistakes, or to have your handheld by a mega-corporation that intends to sell your user data while charging you for the rights to do it.

Holy fuck that's the third time you've made this exact comment, we get it stop it now and reconsider your points.

because you have infinite time to shitpost about e-celebs, but no time to learn something actually useful.

Nigger we get it you're a literal NEET, but people out there have a job.

I was wondering why so many trannies on Twitter were using Linux, well now I fucking know, they have too much free time on their hands.

Linux becoming more mainstream is a bad thing, not a good thing.

 

[I'd abeeb bear]

>using sudo commands to download from community repos
You explained everything with that. Enjoy Windows, I'll be over here, a child, NEET, nigger with a functioning brain.

 

[PFM]

Proprietary software doesn't work on Linux and no i am not going to spend 3 hours to configure wine just to use fucking office or photoshop

This right here explains the rest of your complaints. You're an idiot.

 

[Ronnie Merle Mcnutt]

This right here explains the rest of your complaints. You're an idiot.

you realize that nobody besides linux soyboys care about a software being opensource or not and no i don't pay for photoshop obviously (nobody does) but im not gonna use an OS that can't even do basic tasks let alone have decent support also don't start talking about GIMP it sucks ass you arent gonna get opensource drivers etc because no company gives a fuck about linux

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

My husband uses Linux exclusively and has for years. He's in IT, knows his shit. Taught me Linux back in the Slackware days. He's no n00b.

Every single fucking week when we get on our lame and gay MMO there's a problem with his computer. Either pulseaudio has shit the bed, or something is eating all 32 GB of ram, or something else entirely. It's been weeks and he still hasn't figured out the ram issue. He's installed scripts to work around it by killing things, including the game - which sucks when you're trying to kill things. Thankfully we are filthy causals who don't raid.

I love Linux on servers. It is a great OS for heavy duty stuff that you set up and let run. I don't understand why you'd run servers on windows if you don't have to.

But as a daily desktop it is still too unstable for anyone but autists. I tried it myself for a while, same hardware as my husband has - we ordered identical computers. He can run the ancient MMO we play under wine fine. My computer though? He couldn't get it to work. He set up Linux on it, so it should work, but it didn’t.

Y'all can use Linux if you want. If it works for you, great. My husband loves it. But me? I want an os where the most frequent fix is "reboot it" and the rest of the time it does what it does and runs my software without having to jump through any hoops.

I wish Apple supported more games, because I would love to have a non-Linux alternative to Windows but I like games. Not bleeding edge ones, but nothing really is supported and that's lame.

 

[Pissmaster]

I want people to make the switch. The learning curve is far, far less than people think it is. It took me about a month of daily use for it to click, but during that time, everything I was doing on the day to day worked without a hitch. I broke my OS a few times, then I understood why. But for those minor headaches, I now have an OS completely under my control, that does what I tell it to do, and I understand how and why it does those things.

I've tried to make the switch like three separate times. In fact, the first time I really seriously tried, I was using a laptop that flat out couldn't get online. After hours and hours of digging, I found some driver someone wrote for it, but didn't have a binary for me to just install, so I had to spend a while learning how to take that code, compile it, and install it. Somehow, I did, but I can't remember how I pulled that off at all. Only for it to continuously drop my connection to the point where I just got frustrated and reinstalled XP.

Another time, I decided to go Linux for a MAME cabinet, only to give up because some newer arcade games just flat out run on Windows, and their hacked versions are fickle enough as-is. It's a home arcade machine, it doesn't need internet, it can stay offline on Windows 7 forever.

You won't have what you want from an OS without there being a learning curve, it's that simple. You either want control, the option to fuck it all up and learn from your mistakes, or to have your handheld by a mega-corporation that intends to sell your user data while charging you for the rights to do it.

I just want a tool that works. I also wear work gloves I bought at Walmart that were mass produced, because I need work gloves, and don't have the time nor inspiration to learn all about tailoring, sourcing the right materials, and sewing my own that fit my hands perfectly. The thought's never even crossed my mind.

I really do like the thought of migrating to Linux, but when I keep running into ridiculous, specific, small problems that just stop me dead in my tracks, when they're just not an issue on Windows, it's very difficult to even consider sticking to Linux. I solve one, and another one pops up like a weed. I've also never paid for Windows, ran ShutUp10 before I even took my machine online, and I use offline accounts for everything but my Xboxes. It's a decent middle ground until Linux support is ubiquitous enough to where I can plug random USB crap in and have it work more often than not.

I think we're definitely getting there, and Linux has come a hell of a long way over the past decade, but it's just not far enough along to get me to seal the deal. And, like, nobody here is using Windows because we really want to, it's just the best thing we have at the moment.

Windows 10, that is. Windows 11 is a big ol' box of penises. I hope there are some serious breakthroughs for home Linux use that makes it good enough for those of us nerdy enough to argue about this shit on Kiwi Farms, and Windows can finally be relegated to the OS for idiots who faint at the sight of a terminal.

 

[I'd abeeb bear]

I've tried to make the switch like three separate times. In fact, the first time I really seriously tried, I was using a laptop that flat out couldn't get online. After hours and hours of digging, I found some driver someone wrote for it, but didn't have a binary for me to just install, so I had to spend a while learning how to take that code, compile it, and install it. Somehow, I did, but I can't remember how I pulled that off at all. Only for it to continuously drop my connection to the point where I just got frustrated and reinstalled XP.

Another time, I decided to go Linux for a MAME cabinet, only to give up because some newer arcade games just flat out run on Windows, and their hacked versions are fickle enough as-is. It's a home arcade machine, it doesn't need internet, it can stay offline on Windows 7 forever.


I just want a tool that works. I also wear work gloves I bought at Walmart that were mass produced, because I need work gloves, and don't have the time nor inspiration to learn all about tailoring, sourcing the right materials, and sewing my own that fit my hands perfectly. The thought's never even crossed my mind.

I really do like the thought of migrating to Linux, but when I keep running into ridiculous, specific, small problems that just stop me dead in my tracks, when they're just not an issue on Windows, it's very difficult to even consider sticking to Linux. I solve one, and another one pops up like a weed. I've also never paid for Windows, ran ShutUp10 before I even took my machine online, and I use offline accounts for everything but my Xboxes. It's a decent middle ground until Linux support is ubiquitous enough to where I can plug random USB crap in and have it work more often than not.

I think we're definitely getting there, and Linux has come a hell of a long way over the past decade, but it's just not far enough along to get me to seal the deal. And, like, nobody here is using Windows because we really want to, it's just the best thing we have at the moment.

Windows 10, that is. Windows 11 is a big ol' box of penises. I hope there are some serious breakthroughs for home Linux use that makes it good enough for those of us nerdy enough to argue about this shit on Kiwi Farms, and Windows can finally be relegated to the OS for idiots who faint at the sight of a terminal.

Like I've said, I personally waited a long time to do the full move, but now I could never go back. I dual booted for a while and now I can't even be bothered. With Steam Deck out now, Linux support and features have been kicked into overdrive, and it's like I'm finding something new weekly now that I have a use for. It's great, but when you do want to do the move, just do it on some random drive laying around and dick around with it in your spare time until you feel comfortable. I nearly gave up on it when I broke something, and I blamed Linux for it, but it turns out it was because I was being retarded and didn't understand permissions yet.

I get the hesitancy, and the complaints that people have, but on a site like KF, I'd like to think people understand the need to get away from the botnet and have less info out there, or, even if privacy isn't a concern, at least not have ads baked into your day to day experience. It's far more daunting in the first couple of days than it is within a week or two. Everything I had to use just worked, everything I wanted to do came with time. Distro-hopping is common early on, and thankfully most are small to download and can be ran from a USB without issue.

It's really just dependent on if you want it in the long run. I loved Windows 7 for years... now it feels like shit. My perspective is just different now, and I would've been arguing against Linux a few years ago.

 

[WULULULULU]

I'll just wait till more support is added and then I might learn Linux. Right now, I'm contemplating about using Linux as a main OS for a gaming-specific desktop but worried drivers are terribly gimped (I'm looking at you Nvidia).

 

[TurdFondler]

It's incredible that 2 years of running windows on my word processing PC the boot times have slowed to glacial and everything sucks, whereas I used to be able to run Unity fairly okay. That update with the Bing bar really fucked me over.

11 can suck my dick. I hate cloud integration, I hate being connected all the time.

I'm moving everything over to Debian this weekend. Unless you're gaming or using small form factor machines there's no reason not to run Linux. I've spent a lot of time in Gallium and Debian and it's always impressive to see how much useful shit comes pre loaded.

I will never pay or run a windows product again unless they shift back to a useful lightweight OS. I cannot forgive that windows search bar searches Bing before your own god damned files, and them making the control panel worse and worse.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

I want to love Linux, I really do, but every single time I try it a random problem appears that is not easily fixed. Setting up project wingman in lutria is a royal bitch, and trying to search for solutions to the problem led down a long rabbit hole of backwater message boards.

Other times it's adobe. PDFs from the state will not open on anything but Adobe reader, and Adobe are cunts who won't support Linux.

Or it's a driver, for whatever reason on my laptop the wifi will only work on certain installs, it takes about 12 attempts for the wifi to show up as an interface. 0 issues on windows.

Don't get me started on Nvidia drivers....

Macos isn't an option, because games.

.maybe in a few years, but I've been saying that for a decade now and Linux is still a patch worked mess of an OS.

WINDOWS 11 can suck my dick. Never trust MS. EVER. I'd trust Google over MS.

 

[byuu]

Protip; If you want Linux to work well with your hardware, buy your hardware from companies that actually support Linux.

 

[AmpleApricots]

I've had incredible little trouble with hardware in general in linux in the last ten-ish years. There's the occasional weird hardware gizmo like touchscreen or fingerprint reader that either needs acrobatics (step one: extract firmware blobs out of windows drivers etc.) or will flat out not work (correctly) because the manufacturer is more or less openly hostile to the idea of open source. (hi nvidia!)

In practice that means - if you buy some device with more "exotic" hardware (Usually mobile devices like tablets and notebooks, x86 desktop support with standard hardware usually is always a given these days) do your research first to check if all you want supported is actually supported. If you can't find a mention err on the side of not supported. Quite sadly, support for what's commonly called "entry level" (read: cheap) hardware usually moves at a glacial pace if it ever happens at all, most developers like the more high-end hardware, that's also usually the hardware that actually does adhere to common standards properly and doesn't have funky firmware that breaks things, so it's also kinda understandable. Windows is usually much better here in including kludges for broken firmware, mostly simply because the developers there usually have a direct wire to the manufacturer, or the manufacturer dropped money on developing windows drivers.

Avoid nvidia. AMD GPU support is perfectly fine these days and the opensource drivers are actually the better ones, and worked on by AMD itself. (This recommendation actually used to switch around every few years, sometimes nvidia drivers being the better ones, with the in-kernel AMDGPU drivers, and nvidias clear unwillingness to support a proper open source effort, these times probably won't come back)

AMD CPU support for every little feature is kinda slow so make sure that spanking brand new CPU that just came out is actually supported properly already. Intel almost always is very well supported and intel goes to great lengths to even add support for the more obscure features in it's hardware to the linux kernel. It's a pity they're such a shady company otherwise. ARM, although often used in the linux-based Android world, is really hit-and-miss, but even the better supported SoCs are usually not all that well supported so never actually expect to get that list of fancy features that SBC was advertised with fully working. It's because the companies around ARM SoCs only use the linux kernel as a free framework for their SoC but don't care about contributing back and usually hack up old kernels in really incompatible ways to mainline development.

Another problem is also that a lot of distros stick with old kernel versions, often bordering on the rancid. While it's true that some old kernel versions are still officially supported, they usually only get important fixes (sometimes "eventually") and no new features. Distros using old kernels has historical reasons as using the latest stable kernel used to be kind of russian roulette in most of linux' lifetime. IMO these times are mostly over and you can usually trust the newest stable kernel to be good and bring worthwhile improvements. (it's still not a bad idea to maybe wait 2-3 minor versions in before upgrading, in case something major has broken and it somehow slipped past the developers) Most heavy problems in these areas you can experience with some distros usually originate in the distro maintainers patching way-too-old kernels with backported stuff. These distro maintainers are usually not forthcoming with admitting this.

Even as somebody who used linux exclusively for over a decade now, I can tell you that hardware on average in linux is usually never quite as performant or energy efficient as in windows and that's a definitive downside. Usually that's more than set off by all the bloat windows comes with though, burning up those extra cpu cycles (and then some) it inherently gets out of the same equipment.

 

[GoysGoneWild]

For real, stop trying to convince people that consider themselves "tech" capable to not be scared of a fucking terminal. They aren't willing to make a trade of a small amount of time to learn a skill which will massively increase their power over a computing system (yes, terminal is *massively* more powerful than GUI bullshit, its inherent in the two designs and will likely always be that way, deal with it) - why should their opinions be taken seriously? These people will literally always come up with some horseshit reason for why they "can't" use Linux. At the end of the day, it is really because they don't want to put in the tiny bit of effort needed to learn a new, ever so slightly different computing paradigm. They'll bitch and moan about the ever degrading situation on Windows, but will never actually do anything to fix it.

Stop yelling into the void of convincing these tards, we likely are better off without them in the FOSS sphere anyway. Use that effort to help people that have already shown the initiative to change this shit. That's where effort will see results.